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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
He sounds very interesting. Do you guys have any more information on him? Has anyone watched him play or anything? -
That's a pretty smart and skilled move.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I don't like the fact that his production is mostly on the powerplay. We can easily sign a Gagner type player when we are competing again like Columbus has if our powerplay is that bad. But really, if we are able to generate offense at even strength, which is what I want for our pick, then the powerplay shouldn't be a problem. I also don't know anything about Glass, but based on what I've read he seems like a pretty safe bet to be an average 2C/3C. Could be wrong though. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Trading down from the top 2 definitely makes sense and I would consider it, but Hischier's potential future development could be too good to pass up. The fact that he could go straight to the AHL is a big positive. It would mean we are in absolute control of his development from the moment we pick him. There are some other prospects that could do that as well, but nobody as good as Hischier right now. I think that would be a major contributor to Hischier potentially going ahead of Patrick, along with Patrick's own concerns. Outside the top 2, it seems as though Bennning is pretty high on Necas. I would absolutely take him top 5 based on what I've heard (haven't been able to watch him at all like most others) and maybe even at 3rd overall. The other player I would strongly consider is Liljegren. He is the absolute inverse of Juolevi. What Juolevi has defensively, Liljegren has offensively and vice versa. I think my #5 spot is pretty up in the air, with maybe Vilardi having the slight edge. I also don't think it would be complete heresy to take Foote there as well: 1) Hischier 2) Patrick 3) Necas 4) Liljegren 5) Vilardi 6) Foote Foote is probably a long shot but those are the guys I would probably prefer. I wouldn't be heartbroken if Benning took someone else as I trust his judgement over my own. -
I like the way he always looks like he's in "attack" mode when he's skating. He looks stronger on his skates and in his legs than he actually probably is. The way he positions his body and his legs when skating makes it looks like he's ready to explode into any shot, cut, dangle, turn, etc.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I would consider that deal with Philly. Sanheim would be a nice pickup for our future defense. Combining that with Foote would be amazing for our defense. We would have 2-3 good assets we could move. We could essentially trade half of a defense core for a center. -
The one thing that I've noticed in watching a couple of games is that he doesn't do too much on the forecheck. I don't think I ever saw him pressure the puck as F1. He mainly just waited in the neutral zone applying very soft pressure. I think it comes down to the skating again and not having the super quick feet to get back in time. If he went in hard on the forecheck and didn't retrieve the puck, he probably wouldn't get back in time and his man would be left wide open. I think it's mainly him not wanting to make a defensive mistake, which is good. On the other side of that, I want him to be able to forecheck. He's going to have to improve his quickness and overall skating.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I don't think he said. Some other posters were asking about them as well I think. Regarding Kostin, just because he is the #1 ranked PWF doesn't mean he's someone we are targeting. Benning could view all of the players in all the 2 way forwards category to be better than their #1 ranked PWF. That could apply to all the other categories as well. Just the same, It could mean that their #1 PWF is ranked higher than anyone else, but that seems unlikely. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
A while back, I posted a summary of what a poster over on HF allegedly leaked from a source. Apparently last year he predicted that the Canucks would take Juolevi over Tkachuk by the halfway mark of the season, so it could mean something. Again, probably take it with a grain of salt. It's not Benning coming out with this information. ---------------------------------------------- - On Mittlestadt: "We will not end up with him. I guarantee that to you. I am 100 percent sure, ok at this point the lowest we will finish is 8. With the 8 pick if he is on the board the Vancouver Canucks WILL NOT BE DRAFTING MITTELSTADT. WILL NOT. Absolultey not. We all not be drafting guys who accumulate 80% of their points on the power play. I will reveal my source like one day before the draft. I promise you guys this." - A lengthy follow up post: "This is my source. I will not reveal the full list, but I will reveal the ones that are of interest to Canucks fans.i,will not say which list this belongs too, all I will tell ya "this NHL team" based on this list their interest level on vilardi and mittelstadt. I don't want Canuck fans to all pissy and stuff when draft day comes BOTH of them are still on board and we pass up on those guys. I will warn you guys ahead of time. I like you guys want the Canucks to suceed too. Feel free to look around mock drafts and stuff, but don't over rely on those. Each player is ranked In a consensuss style. They will be debated. To this point, of course not every scouting staff sees eye to eye. I will also, reveal the 2nd ranked 2 way foward according to this team who ranks players based on playing style. Necas is number 2 on this list. They really like him.Keeping in mind I am almost certain they have the next 2 "2way fowards" ahead of the number 2 ranked "offensive foward". And ad you guys can probably make a guess how many players are in between mittelstadt and heicher, and that's just one category. So already You guys can probably gauge yourself, now. Nico/Nolan 1-2. Somewhere in the mix 3-5 is necas, # 3ranked fwd and #4, 2way fwd and #1 ranked offensive dman. 6 7 8At this point maybe #2 ranked offensive foward. A huge maybe. If you see list yourself I am almost certain "most nucks fans " will much rather have the number 1 and 2 ranked offensive dmans over the number 2 ranked offensive Fwd. well for me I rather have those offensive dmans over that player. not only that, we also added dahlen and goldobin, boeser is on the rise and baertchi is also improving, so if you ask me I will gladly pass up,on him and stock pile our defence. Cause this player is also not a centre.Let's not ignore the number 1 ranked power foward. Is he in the 6-8 range? How bout the number 3 ranked offensive fwd? I take this guy 10 out of 10 times over mittelstadt. Why?Those 2 players play in the same league. That player has 80 percent of his points even strength. Mittelstadt is the opposite. 80 of his stats is from the power play. that's all I have to say. I will keep you guys updated when I can. The reason why I said the day before draft is because I can obtain their "final rankings" at that point, and if I can it's 100 percent their final rankings. (*his/her*) Personal oppions of this list.This list was complied by an NHL team, by their scouts. No one has to agree with the list. We've seen NHL teams make the wrong picks before, and it happens. I'm sure you guys are surprised to see vilardi and mittelstadt ranked were they are. I am too. This list has give me a chance to see why those players are ranked lower, I am also trying to research, why some players are higher. Mittelstadt, I was able obtain information that something like 80 percent of his points are from the power play. I do not have a linkable source on this one. if I can find something I will share it, but most of his points is from the power play. Not to mention his 2 way game needs harsh work that's why he's put into "offensive fwd" thus me saying why I am 100 percent sure will not. Be drafting him with the 8th pick.Without giving away too much info , I will tell you guys this.Surprised at were this team has comtois and rasmuesson ranked. Surprised at were foote is ranked.Very surpsrised at were they have Cody glass and Yamamoto ranked." * He included a picture of the categories and the rankings. Most of the names were inked out: 2-Way F: Patrick Necas Lots of inked out names PWF: Kostin ______ Offensive F: Hischier ______ Mittlestadt _______ Vilardi ________ ________ OFD: Liljegren _______ 2 Way D: _______ Foote _______ _______ Other Categories were empty. - A later response: "I cannot disclose that, but its their "latest". "its highly unlikely we fall to 8th, to fall to 8th means 3 teams behind us winning the top 3 picks, which is highly unlikely that said, for the sake of it, if we retain the 5th pick, which is our current position. I am 99.9 percent sure we are walking out of this draft with either centreman or a dman. DMAN is if necas and the other centreman they want is gone, then I really think they will target the offensive dman. I rather have that offensive dman over over the number 3 ranked 2 way forward or the number 2 ranked offensive forward. easy." - A reply to someone asking about his source: "who said my source was with the Canucks ?" - On Vilardi: "I see. 71 points 60 games is not elite , let alone top 3. is not that impressive considering he has Logan Brown as a teammate and Michael Sergechev. Not to mention foot speed is resembles Michael Dal Cole at the same age and he is not even ripping it up. Does not represent a top 3 pick at all.I think that might be the reason why they are not too impressed with Vilardi. lets not lose hope maybe he jumps higher? who knows." - On Necas: "kids already doing a fine job playing against men. his hard working and highly skilled style will be North American ready." - A later response: "suzuki was not rated.there are 2 other players in between Heicher and MIttelstadt, so he is actually rated the 4th best offensive foward in this draft.list was compiled by an NHL team." - When asked about category rankings vs a list: "they do have a ranking system based on bpa, I just don't have that list. I"ve seen it before. this list was just a break down of playing styles of prospects." -------------------------------------------------------------- If anyone wants to see for themselves, his name is lawrence on HF Boards. I'm not sure how valid this information could be. His spelling/grammar are not good at all, but apparently he was right last year so I can't really say. These are all direct quotes from him/her. The lists are only within their respective categories, so it's impossible to predict who specifically they could be targeting. For example, Necas is ranked #2 in the 2 way forwards category, but does that mean they like him more than Liljegren, who is ranked #1 in the offensive defensemen category? It's impossible to get specifics, but it offers an idea of who they might like or not like. Side note, He talked about possibly being able to obtain the final rankings at the end of the year. He also made a point of not trying to get his source fired or exposed. Again, take it with a grain of salt. -
Great news for Juolevi and the Knights! Gotta wonder how Windsor feels being the host team and getting bounced in the first round. Good to see that Juolevi was contributing offensively. They were all pretty good shots as well, none of them were floaters from the blue line.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
It is definitely concerning. If we could somehow gaurantee that his injuries won't hinder his future play, he would be a great addition to our forward group. Him and Horvat would give us 2 big, strong, smart, responsible centers down the middle who can score. Patrick being right handed and Horvat being left handed would line up perfectly. He has shown interest in improving his skating, which I would think would be improved over the next 1-3 years. Whether it's as much as Horvat or not remains to be seen, but I like that drive. His Playoff performance was also very impressive as a younger player should be a pretty big pro for him. Hischier offers the dynamic offensive skating and smarts. I really like the way he can play the game fast or slow depending on how the opponent is playing him. I don't think his defensive game is bad (he is used on the PK I'm pretty sure), but I don't think it's as highly regarded as Patrick's. Watching him at the WJC was a treat though. He has that intangible about him combined with the silent will that is pretty scary to play against. I specifically remember the game against the U.S.A, one of if not the top team in the tourney. He was creating something every shift and was impossible to contain. He almost single handedly beat the eventual winners of the tournament while playing for team Switzerland as a draft eligible. That got him a lot of points in my book. I agree with Vilardi having a transferable game. He uses his teammates well and doesn't try to do it all himself. He just has to make sure he gets bigger and stronger as well as quicker to make the quick turns down low. Of course he also has to work on his straight line speed to be an effective player at the next level. I believe he can do that though. I think Necas is similar in that he has a transferable game, he just needs to improve his physical skills. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
If Keller was in this year's draft he would be in the top-3 and in the conversation for 1st overall. Mittelstadt isn't in his tier. They are similar in the sense that they are both skilled, smart centreman who should go in the same range. At the start of the year, I didn't like Vilardi much but he's really grown on me. Liljegren is there for me as well as he could be the most impactful player in the draft with his ceiling as a defenseman. Necas is someone who I haven't seen play, but based on what I've heard he sounds like a very good player. Any one of those 3 along with obviously Patrick or Hischier would make me happy. 1) Hischier 2) Patrick (Injuries) 3) Liljegren 4) Vilardi 5) Necas -
I think Boeser will have an impact on how Goldobin is next year. If Boeser makes the team, he will likely eat up some of the prime minutes/scoring situations that could have otherwise gone to Goldobin. The main thing would be Boeser would likely play on Horvat's wing along with Baertschi. That means Goldobin has to play with Sutter or Chaput/Shore/etc. It wouldn't be ideal for Goldobin offensively, but I think playing the bulk of the season, especially at the start, with Sutter could be good for him. That would be the best way to get him to learn the defensive side of the game, similar to Baertschi. If he is played with Horvat, it could be pretty easy to run around offensively. Sutter would be a reliable and responsible player for Goldobin to learn from. He could play with a more creative offense winger as well: Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser/Rodin/UFA Granlund - Sutter - Goldobin Boucher - Gaunce - Dorsett
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I gotta say, reading everyone's opinions on here is pretty interesting. It's so wide open this year that nobody is right, but nobody is wrong either. To be honest, I liked Foote a lot at the beginning of the season and then forgot about him . He would be an excellent pickup and is as much of a sure bet to make the NHL as anyone. He probably won't be a top-pairing defenseman himself, but he could be a lot like what Gudbranson is/was supposed to be. I would want that big, tough, physical two-way defenseman any day of the week. He would fit right in with our D-core. He's the type of guy that will make sure forwards leave the zone in worse condition than when they entered. His offensive game isn't very dynamic, but he seems to make the solid play more often than not. I would really like to trade Edler for a pick in the range that we could select him so we could walk out of the draft with him. My guess is he'll probably be gone anywhere from 8th-16th overall. There are a lot of teams that could use a surefire NHL defenseman. At the start of the season, I didn't really like Vilardi. I had heard reports about his skating and kind of dismissed him. When I watch him play though he is pretty dominant. He's pretty quick down low in terms of spinning away from defenders. His body positioning is excellent and it's almost impossible to knock the puck off of him. He's great at finding the open man, especially the open defenseman (which is usually Sergachev). He would be an excellent fit with Horvat and nobody could handle them down low. His straight line speed is what he needs to improve on, but I'm not incredibly worried about that. Liljegren is someone I absolutely wouldn't mind taking with our pick. He would add a dynamic presence to our blue line and he and Stetcher could run our powerplays. Necas is someone who we could realistically take. The only 2 players I wouldn't prefer would be Mittlestadt and Makar and I've already explained why. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Thanks for the info! I didn't know he was right handed. I guess I just naturally assumed he was a lefty. That's an added bonus though! Again, I think Benning is high on him based on something I read about a month ago. -
Horvat is an extreme example of improving and even he did it over 2 years. Using Horvat as the example is the smaller sample size, as there are way less cases of what he did compared to what McCann did, which is quite common. The main reason I used McCann was for a quick comparison on the schedule. Whether he was playing against men or not, McCann was playing close to the same amount of games as he would in a full NHL season. He had to adapt to the bigger, stronger, faster, etc. competition. Boeser has already been playing with guys who are closer to the NHL physically, but he hasn't played as much. He would have to learn how to keep a consistent pace and recover properly over an 82 game season. I wasn't really comparing McCann directly to Boeser, I was mainly comparing the schedule difference to highlight how Boeser will likely struggle with a certain aspect of next season. Our very own Hutton went through something similar last year. He was great the first half of the season, but then started to fade away as he had never played that many games before. Stetcher is going through something similar, though not as bad. He looked more electric at the beginning of the season compared to now. There's nothing that you can do about this, it's just part of the transition from college to the NHL, just like how CHL players have to transition to more physically capable players in the NHL. Boeser will likely face this challenge whether he's in the NHL or the AHL, so his greatest obstacle would still follow him. Even if he did work on his skating and came into camp at Horvat level (which is unlikely), would giving him more time to improve be a terrible thing? Based on how quickly he improved, wouldn't he improve even more with a full year of extra practice? Just because he spent this summer working on his skating and he improved doesn't mean he shouldn't keep working on it, right? To take you point about the equipment that helps player's strides. He could use that for a full year down in Utica. If he improves his skating to the point where he's at the NHL level over the summer, he should easily be an above average skater with a full year of extensive training under his belt. And again, the main reason I might prefer to keep him down is the avoid the losing season we should/will have next year. Nothing to do with Boeser being physically incapable or anything. The two additional bonuses to that would be a full year to work on skating and a year to transition to the pro schedule. Also, we could easily call him up for a stint or a road trip or something to see what he can do. I haven't read to many of the articles, but it seems like his family would benefit from the NHL paycheck throughout the year. He's not locked down in the minors. And again, if management keeps him up for the majority of the year it will be a good thing too. It shows that they have confidence in him as a player and as a person to handle a long season. It's really a win-win either way.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I would prefer someone who can drive the play themselves and put up points as opposed to someone who puts up big numbers on the powerplay. I would want a top-5 pick to score at even strength. He does show skill on the powerplay, but he is not as valuable if he can't do it at even strength. Sounds like Gagner, who I think is being used as a powerplay specialist by Columbus. Whether Mittlestadt reaches that level or can exceed that is my question. To be honest, I know nothing about him either. I read somewhere that Benning liked him a while back. From what I've read, he seems to chase down loose pucks and be a responsible 200ft player while still being creative offensively. Someone compared him to Giroux and others have labelled Krejci as a comparable. It's not a lot of concrete fact, but that's all I got. Could be the sleeper of the draft. -
2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
I think there are a lot of ways this could go. I think Necas is the guy we will most likely be ending up with. Liljegren is looking like he could be the 2nd option for Benning. If I had to guess, I'd say that Benning's rankings look something like this: 1) Patrick 2) Hischier 3) Necas 4) Liljegren 5) Vilardi That would be fine by me. Personally, I just hope that Mittlestadt and Makar aren't too high on Benning's list. Mittlestadt's 5 on 5 stats have been below average. He has something like 7 points in 20 games at even strength in the USHL. That's not mentioning that he returned to high school, where he likely didn't develop as much and might've developed some bad habits being so far above the competition. It's an attractive package, but I don't think we should buy in. Makar is too risky for me in the top 10. -
I thought he looked alright. Very similar to how Baertschi was when he was new to the Canucks. It looks like he's capable of more.
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To be honest, Sergachev looks really good out there too. He is so far above the CHL in terms of physicality it's funny. He just shrugs off anyone that comes at him and imposes his will on anyone. He doesn't play the pro style game like Juolevi, but he looks like he could easily learn it. Seeing where Juolevi plays next year will be very interesting. I would bet on returning to London or being sheltered on the Canucks.
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Again, the commentators continuously go on about his character. Very encouraging to hear.
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The way you worded your other response made it look like it was either tank or play Boeser, as if they were two separate things and we could only have one or the other. And I already explained why playing in the AHL wouldn't be that bad for him. He could: -Avoid the bad season the Canucks will likely have, whether he's on the team or not -Work on his skating (specifically his acceleration/explosiveness) -Play a full season as a pro You said that "If he shows he can play in the NHL, he'll have shown that he doesn't need to adjust to the pro schedule or any of the other things you mentioned because he is already doing it." That is simply wrong. Being able to have a good 10-15 games at the start of the season does not mean anything in terms of schedule. That doesn't mean he'll be able to keep up that level of play by games 50-60, let alone games 70-80. He's only played around 20-30 games for each of the last 2 years, it will be an adjustment for him no matter what, especially when you factor in travel. McCann is an example of this and he had been playing more games than Boeser in the CHL, In addition, just because he's playing in the NHL doesn't mean he's already improved his skating that much. A full year with extra practice time would give him an opportunity to add a whole other gear to him. He could make his skating NHL level this summer, but he could take it to the next level with a full year. He could improve the same way Horvat did in less time since he will have more practice time in the AHL. Playing in the AHL wouldn't hamper his development in any way unless he got lazy himself. If he sticks in the NHL then great for him, it will show management's confidence in his ability. It's a win-win situation. I would just prefer him not to be a part of the losing personally, that's it. Who said anything about putting everyone in the AHL for every year? Edmonton's looking pretty good too now that they've brought in proper management. We wouldn't have the same problem as them because our GM is not a lunatic like theirs were before their current regime.
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Playing Boeser next year won't suddenly make us a Playoff team. We likely won't finish any better than we have this year and could possibly do even worse with Miller gone and others regressing. The point was to keep him away from the toxic losing environment and play on a better team and do better individually as an extension of that. Finishing bottom 3 next season isn't directly tied to Boeser being in the NHL or not. He won't suddenly regress because he spends some time in the minors. It will help him learn the pro schedule (playing 70-80 games a season instead of 20-30) as well as give him more time to work on his skating, which could use a little work. So, by keeping him in the AHL next year. he can adjust to the pro schedule, work on his skating and not be a part of the losing environment the Canucks will/should likely have. Also, just because he plays in the AHL doesn't mean he is stapled there. It's not like we can't bring him up for a couple of stints throughout the season and give him some games and an NHL paycheck. We will still see him, just maybe not for the whole season. One more thing regarding the draft. I specifically said the top end of the draft was loaded with studs. So no, we won't get the same caliber or player no matter where we finish.
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Next season doesn't look very clear at all. He played well and looks like he will make the team out of camp, especially after a summer of training. My main concern would be the strength of our team next year. I think we should have a weaker team next year as the top end of the draft is loaded with studs. I think that would mean playing Boeser in the AHL to keep him away from the tire fire.
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2017 NHL Draft - Chicago, Illinois June 23-24 2017
Noble 6 replied to hyper00's topic in Prospects / Farm Team
Does anyone have an in depth analysis/review on Necas? He seems like one of those guys who could turn into one of the better players of the draft that most people knew nothing about. He's been ranked as high as 3rd overall, so I think getting a handle on him would be a good idea. He could be similar to Barkov in the sense that he's not a flashy player playing in a smaller market, so he could get a little under looked and under appreciated.