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[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Can we all just compromise and vote Zfetch? I’ll even settle for TL. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Stranger danger -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
who? I'm excited. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Heading to the Angels game now, but I'll sneak posts in and keep up to speed. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Here is a million dollar question. Why are we both suspicious of each other when we have had similar reads almost this entire game? -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Look who it is. Wanna tango again or do you want to discuss what has transpired between last night and tonight? -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Nevermind. I just clicked on the last page and saw you provided an ISO of Zfetch’s round 1 content. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Can you recall the moment or posts you thought Zfetch provided a questionable read or wasn't acting like his TP self as you alluded to in your reads? One of my arguments against you is that I don't think your suspicions of Zfetch were genuine in round 1 because I didn't see you provide specific examples. You also had Zfetch as your vote when I did as well when you arrived closer to nightfall, but then deferred to voting for 1 MR, and even said WW wasn't a bad choice. I don't understand why TP TL would forget about Zfetch when nightfall came around after supposedly having suspicions of him, and not even bring his name up for consideration, but instead defer to WW as a #2 option when you have admitted to not reading the recent pages at the time. That train of thought doesn't make sense to me. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
@Time Lord I don't appreciate you belittling my former AGM. As I have highlighted, I think his methods of reaching his conclusions are you kinda reachy, and possibly even scum telling, but your responses to him were garbage. So you can deal with me now since you don't seem very concerned with Stamkos, and I have no more long writes up to deal with. Feel free to respond to any of my takes since they feature you quite a lot. Vote Zfetch - purely based on dueling wagons right now would force the thread to make decisions. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Not calling out Stamkos specifically for this post, but this was the 4th "woe is me" post after BW, Kryten, and TL. 4 supposed TPs showing remorse after a mislynch seems over the top, and chances are there was at least 1 wolf or 2 to sneak their post-nightfall appearance in after having completed a mislynch. TL makes himself an easy choice because he self admitted to not having read the past 8 pages up until that point, but stated he hated feeling confident (lol, what?) with lynching a good mafia player and finding out they were TP. I look forward to TL explaining his defense on that one. Stamkos's suspicions of MR seemed genuine and were consistent with his round 1 reads, so I don't think it would be him. I don't recall or seeing @Kryten posting anything about MR, but he can correct me if I'm wrong, and BW was pretty flip floppy between WW and MR, before finally settling on MR. I recall him seeing outline early suspicions of WW, but I also recall him second guessing his MR read, which is why I'm confused as to why he switched back, then lamented about it afterwards even though he told himself he was second guessing his own read. While I think it's wolfy (as you will see later) when people line up lists for future lynches, what he stated did not seem out of place. With 10 players left, 5 of the remaining players voted that voted for MR are still alive. That is half of the remaining players in the game. Given MR's veteran stature, I think it's very conceivable that at least 1 wolf would want to jump at the opportunity to get a veteran player out (make it 2 since they took out Aladeen). I don't see why you would have a problem with someone not only going back and reviewing the lynch proceedings and participants reads, but then do all the work for everyone, unless you would not want that information to be reviewed. I have big problems with this post. It's concerning that Stamkos is lining up future lynches before the round has developed and not taking into account the numbers. I strongly suspect TL, but should he be lynched and flip TP, the numbers next round would be 5TP v. 3Mafia, meaning the mafia would win the game should I be mislynched right after TL. This post, without a doubt, eliminates the possibility of TL/Stamkos being mafia teammates, but it does make me wonder about a potential mafia team with Stamkos on it should TL flip TP. So...to recap. TL believed Zfetch was suspicious supposedly in round 1, then voted with him in unison on MR, then immediately put him back on his scum list after nightfall. Right. This feels a little scummy again. Stamkos is equating slanking to mafia, and everyone including Stamkos knows this is not always or consistently the case. Where is this man? I (and I think you as well) always find it amusing when someone tells others how they would play as scum. And I know this statement isn't true anyway because I remember your slanking ass getting knicked in the La Casa game by the vig while I was your teammate Early Summations: -Zfetch and TL reflect the most scummy behavior so far, in my opinion. At least 1 of them is mafia I bet, and I could see both of them being potentially mafia as well. TL's suspicions of Zfetch were never serious from the naked eye in round 1 until after nightfall, and he is using the time this round to throw suspicion at Zfetch while he has heavy suspicion on himself. Ironically, I'm sure this is TL's argument against me, seeing as he has me, Zfetch, and WW, in a Bermuda Mafia Triangle. Zfetch really didn't like my vote on him, even though TL started the initial wagon, then admitted to thinking about saving his ass closer to nightfall, and took issue with the guy who voted 2nd on his supposed wagon, not the first guy who supposedly started the wagon that caused him pressure. Both of them have lots of connections -Stamkos has demonstrated very questionable behavior since post nightfall in my opinion, but at this moment, I don't think I would give him a scum lean, as his early questions about PMing seemed borderline angleshooty attempts to give the TP an advantage and still linger. He also has demonstrated more conviction in his votes than either Zfetch and TL, leading me to give him the temporary benefit of the doubt over them. One thing for sure is that it seems hard to fathom that he and TL would be scum/scum based off the entire exchange between the two this game. He either believes he has TL read like a book, or he is power wolfing the hell out of him. -I'm looking forward to BW's play and review tomorrow, because so far, I think he has been too defensive and indecisive this game for my liking. Ironically, Zfetch also called him out on this, so I don't believe BW-Zfetch would be a scum/scum team as well. Part of this can be chalked up to time commitments, but the whole "I should have known MR wasn't mafia" after he pointed out his own hesitations seems out of place. -I still have suspicions of WW, but they are not as warm, because by now, he would understand that his constant tunneling of me would draw not only my ire, but the attention of the thread as well. He has yet, however, yet to really dive in to reads of the majority of the thread, including several key suspects I have, so he remains on the watch list. Interesting to note about WW, he took issue with me calling Stamkos out earlier and came to his defense while trying to discredit me at the same time. Will definitely remember that as the game progresses. -I'm not a certified graphologist, so my interpretations of her writing can be wrong, but otherwise's posts just come across as bravado to anyone that takes issue with her posts and gameplay. I still don't have a TP or mafia lean for her, but feel like she should be in the conversation still since she seems to be skating by the center of attention of most issues. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
I am putting together my own reads lists that contains gameplay from this current round. Most of my analysis just now featured on pre-nightfall. My opinions of certain players may not be what you think they are because there is potential that some of them have more concerning or less concerning attention in my eyes since the start of this round. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
He narrowly missed it by 6 votes. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Why is stamkos pumping my tires? Does he think I'm Tim Thomas? -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
I would have been fine with Zfetch or WW at the time of nightfall. Before TL changed his vote to MR, he was on Zfetch, so I kept mine there hoping others would join. When TL switched, he became the 4th on MR while zero votes were on WW and only me on Zfetch. When you made the post stating everyone pick 1 of WW/MR, the choice at the time was easy and I was hoping others would follow my lead. After you voted, Kryten made it 5 on MR, which was pretty much the nail in the coffin in my head. I certainly could have done a better job arguing harder for both of their lynches, but I did point out WW's play before nightfall on page 37 that nobody seemed to pay attention to. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
^^^apologies for any misspellings or terrible grammar. That was a long time reading big text lengths. Onto post nightfall. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Props to the amount of work you put in looking everything up. It was much easier to view posts from the past round. Here are my responses to your reads starting with volume 2 and I will post my own afterwards. - Stamkos takes issue with Aladeen putting out a scum team of 3, but Aladeen regularly puts out these early lists than other veteran players can confirm. My initial reaction to it was inexperience from Stamkos. He does follow up with attempts to interact with multiple players and attempting to get something going. - It's interesting to see both TL and Zfetch keep their suspicion of Aladeen, but not offer much behind their votes, with Zfetch saying Aladeen is just scummy and TL provides even less. - And correction, TL did not provide an explanation of his list. He provided an explanation on the COLORS of his list. So if you are color blind, boo hoo, TL hates you. - MR lists 7 guys so it's tough to say how accurate his reads were at this time considering that's more than half of the players in the game. We can say he is 0 for 1 at least with Aladeen, but at this stage of the game, BW seems to be his strongest scum suspect with his explanation being the longest out of his scum list. It should be noted that TL does not suspect MR at this time based off his list, and Zfetch's is kind of hard to interpret because he casts the inactives as potential scum, which MR could fall under at this point I'd argue, but it's up to one's interpretation if he was talking about MR when making that comment, giving him some convenient wiggle room. -Aladeen starts throwing a lot of scum reads out, including at myself, so it's hard to be impartial analyzing my own incident. It should be noted that Stamkos takes aim at TL in protest of the minimalism arts. Can't say I disagree. Meanwhile, one could argue that BW's response to MR was his strongest engagement to the game at this point BW has the valid excuse of partaking in his Quebec Retreat of Merrymen. At this stage, MR seems to be BW's strongest scum lean. -TL finally provides some insight into his reads after Stamkos exasperates him, noting disagreements with the BJ's reads and Zfetch not aligning with his TP meta and having questionable reads as well. It should be noted that in this exchange, I do not believe Stamkos-TL would be a mafia/mafia team, as the tone in TL's post seemed genuinely frustrated with someone taking issue with his play style. I'm surprised that TL did not engage me at this point in the game if we had disagreements with my reads enough to a point where I'm a scum suspect. - I'd be lying if I said I didn't appreciate the support from BW at the time WW was railing against me, so if that costs me a connect the dots scum connection to BW, so be it. - BW maintains his early scum read on MR. One question I would have for @Beluga Whale is that when he made his comment about MR not interacting with him the entire game, did he take issue with it because MR changed his read on him, or because of meta, as both made allusions to the player's past history when forming their reads of each other. (I'll get to your question for me as well). -TL's new list has some different colors, rotating MR in for Aladeen for a scum suspect. I went back and found that on page 25, TL says that his vote on Aladeen wasn't serious and that he believes Aladeen is more likely TP now and would vote MR over him as he proceeded to place a vote on me. So on that basis, one could say this was the starting point of TL's suspicion of MR, although he doesn't provide much detail about the change in heart. - The "bandwagon" vote Zfetch is taking issue with is the one I placed on him after TL placed a vote on Zfetch. I had previously voted for Zfetch earlier in the round on page 18 and asked for discussion on it, but nobody really gave the post much attention, which is why I was eager to jump at TL's initial vote of Zfetch and hoped it led places, but once again, nobody followed afterwards. It's interesting that Zfetch calls my vote on him a bandwagon one when his vote on MR was 3rd before nightfall. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Stamkos you lost your TP clearance for this post btw: 2 minutes in, and you are already drawing parallel lines to me and Aladeen without giving consideration to any of Aladeen's other reads. Why do you think the mafia killed Aladeen, in your opinion. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
You must think I'm really bad at being mafia then? To focus only people calling me out as scum, and then to eliminate someone pushing for my lynch earlier because...I feel pressure? So the goal for me, as a supposed mafia, would be to draw attention away from me this round right? Either I'm a masochist in your eyes choosing the path of most resistance to a pressureless round, or your theory doesn't add up. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Just realized I used our twice. First one is WW and me, second one is you and me. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Stamkos, stop twisting my words. My argument with you is entirely different than the one going on with WW. Our argument is centered around post-nightfall play while our's is focused on pre-nightfall. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
How exactly is me coming after you scummy? You can't use that defense because otherwise already did. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
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[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
Zfetch voting for MR and dipping is not a good look either. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
I'm taking Stamkos's TP clearance away btw. -
[Mafia] Doughty's Check vs Patrick Kane - (Game on)
Blue Jay 22 replied to AV.'s topic in White Noise
If he were to push my lynch closer to nightfall, and I were TP, scrutiny would have been drawn to him, or at the very least, his posts would most likely have been examined. While lynching a TP is by no means a scum tell as we are all guilty of it, in my history, mafia who have been slanking or laying low won't come out of their comfort shells to drive a mislynch, as it would draw attention to themselves, and go against their flow of gameplay. If WW, had any conviction about his early suspicions of me, he would have at least made some attempt to get me out as I thought there was a potential chance I could have gone. Instead, he didn't, and the only time we interacted before nightfall was to discuss gameplay mechanics...again.