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6 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:
This team? You must not venture too far outside of it: heard of a cab driver being assaulted? A drunk guy harassing a female security guard? Etc.
The fact that you call it a circus act makes me think (know) this isn't your team. You're getting far too much enjoyment out of this...psst your troll is showing.
I have one strike left before a ban, Deb.
If I ever want to cash it in, you can bet it will spent be during a discussion with you. I’m not interested in anything you post, you know that.
I don’t care about or read anything you say on here and since I can’t put a Mod on ignore...
Go away.
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Just now, DeNiro said:
Not as long as the Aquilinis are putting the wrong people in the wrong positions.
I really hope Podz is a character leader and not a clone of Horvat’s either.
The team needs an identity so badly. These distractions, dating back to the Cooke days, then the biting and hit-pulling crap... then the power-choke slam of the superstar, skinny rookie... Edler... you know, I’m just done with it.
JB was apparently drafting character guys, well, who?
Gaud?
McCann?
I don’t know if it’s getting better lately, but that’s not being mentioned enough lately. Where is the character?
I was hoping for a massive, character game from them tonight, but it will be tough now, and really, is anyone imagining themselves having the stomach to watch any of what the media will present between whistles and periods on the Canucks?
I’m here for the sport and this joke of a team, but man they make it hard sometimes!
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Well, oh my #@$&...
This will be nationwide.
Will this team ever stop being a circus act?
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2 minutes ago, Virtanen#18 said:
Just release him and get the $2.5M cap space!!!
Bandwagoner.
lol j/k
You and the other JV user names better run for cover...
Orca doesn’t want to associated with you. Suspension incoming in ... 3... 2... 1...
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3 minutes ago, Jaimito said:
Misbehaving nhl players with groupies is nothing new. But the culture is changing and society will not accept it.
People need to video record everything now, esp if you are in a position of power. Alomar just got slammed. He may be guilty, I don't know. But MLB and Bluejays dumped him pretty fast.
Mike Tyson was one of the first superstars I recall.
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27 minutes ago, gurn said:
I'd like to see this thread, and any other similar ones, locked until further statements comes out, from the involved parties.
speculation can ruin lives.
I’m not at all for censorship, but appreciate where you’re coming from.
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When I see the media release which rather explicitly separates Orca from Jake, because of an allegation, I am forced to realize that something like that, is what ruins peoples lives, not us, gossipers.
The Canucks have essentially left Jake out in the open for the vultures. It happens all the time. An allegation happens and then the person who it’s made against is treated like a disease until the court stuff is over.
And what happens when it’s not true, or there’s no conviction?
It’s incredible how we can treat a person as guilty and get away with it like that, despite the law.
I’d like all predators evaporated, most definitely, but I wonder how many times these types of allegations are erroneous, malicious or worse. How can Orca or any other employer get away with what amounts to, we don’t want to be associated with someone associated with something that is unproven, because it’s so disgusting...?
Regardless, switching gears, the Virtanen family will be in hell and that’s going to be brutal for them. I really hope Jake is just a dirty boy, and not a predator.
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Hmmm, I’ve heard... mostly on here...
McCann had character issues.
Gawd did too.
Maybe Jake does.
Videogame gate?
JB drafts character... ?
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Just remember, you are innocent until proven guilty...
Not.
Consider what is happening here an imagine if it were yourself.
This info might all be true, but sometimes it’s not, which is an aside I’m making, not defending Jake.
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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
one of the reasons I started on CDC was to read things from people with actual coaching experience or very studied opinions. Thats why I'm hoping one of you or @oldnews wlll start a coaching thread.
But do more casual fans need to know how the sausage is made to not like a particular style, e.g.? I think of the boring ass games that used to be Minnesota, I may not have been able to describe it in detail, but I knew I was asleep. I think there are people that don't know why they dislike Green, just that they don't like the results. And there ere other aspects like the business side or draft that are fun to poke around in.
It would be really helpful to see an attempt at an actual coaching discussion, I'd start it but I don't have to knowledge to know where to begin with it.
You’re right, and I recall us discussing this before.
I think that the best way to start to entice back that kind of community knowledge is to get some new moderators who are capable of leading or and least engaging in those kinds of threads or ideas. Why I say this would be a great place to start is because I think that the capacity of a moderator to promote key ideas and behaviour on here is paramount to changing the culture.
A brilliant communicator like oldnews, with showings from others could definitely provide value here beyond feelz and emocons, but I think it has to start at the top. The mods have always done a great job to be here to manage content and I’m sure would welcome some new blood, especially if it was game-spilt blood.
Currently, the community values praise and that type of creed more than it does anything else. Threads like you’ve suggested could cultivate a different image and approach here for sure. Banter and style is also fun and we need our mascots, but the forum has lost itself for the most part, IMO. I think it has to do with a form of censorship of dissenting ideas, opinions and other posts, deemed as negative. I mean, we were all there to see it, no sense beating around the bush. I have one strike left before the ban hammer, so not mod material, haha, but we should definitely embrace all serious viewpoints on the Canucks in Canucks Talk. Not just happy ones.
Those kinds of threads once existed, but weren’t especially needed either because there was enough embedded balance and substance to some posters’ work. It would be neat to have a technical thread. The Forum is pretty much a desert these days, except where controversy and existing rivalries get to artificially fill pages with squabbling or worse. What the hell happened here, guys?
You can see the culture in the upvoting in the Forum. It was especially troubling if and when the site mods/admin were involved in quelling others’ in what appeared to be an concerted effort to keep the positivity and hype machine alive here. Recently, it’s swinging and I hope it swings back.
Rough Game, CDC.
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Captain Horvat time.
Miller Time.
I think we’ll see character this time. They’re due.
I don’t care about the W, I rarely do since the days of when they’re were ridiculous sissies, I just want them to play like Linden would have and carry the flag of the V with guts.
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52 minutes ago, oldnews said:
I'm a student of the game at best.
I have played a ton of sports in my life - some at quite a high level - and to some extent know and understand a fair deal about sports systems.
But still - I don't pretend to 'grade' someone with a P.H.D. and a lifetime of experience in the game, at the highest levels.
Most people here couldn't name a single system Green employs.
I wouldn't hesitate to re-sign him. I love the job he's done and the results he's gotten - in context.
You are amongst those 3 posters which I’d considered when I made a nearly identical post.
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3 hours ago, IBatch said:
Nobody really can except maybe the other head coaches/GM's in the league. Last year he garnered some votes for the Adams. To start this year was also considered by NHL.com and THN as a front runner to win it this season. Guess they were wrong. AV's team had some of the worst special teams in the league and got eliminated by the Devils last night, and have veteran team with youth at every key spot..Good coaches have bad seasons. it happens.
This team has too much wasted cap and not enough quality vets to really do much this year, missing the playoffs was more likely then making them from the start. Schmidt, Myers and Miller helped. One thing TG is good at is giving the young players a chance to learn and make mistakes, something veteran coaches aren't usually that keen(an). Kakko and Lafrenniere...2nd and 1st overall. AV with Patrick (most felt he was the safer pick over Hirschier)...it's undeniable he's got results from his youth. Putting EP in the middle and on the first line right away, same with QHs and the PP, BB moved up to the first unit after the first dozen or so games and our PP went from 23rd to 9th. Creating a line of Pearson Horvat and LE (yikes!), for whatever reason it worked better then it should have.
Don't think he's godlike, and don't think his tactical game is even close to the best i've seen the last 30 plus years (any team). Hitchcock, Bowman level. Feel he's more of a players coach like Quin was, but for sure not at the same level either. And that he's very cerebral - that i learned by doing my research into him, he's a very, very smart guy, and was doing things in the AHL before they were a thing (tabulating individual zone entries and exits by hand with his staff). So must have a tactical side too. More then anything it's what his peers think that matter to me, what do i know lol, and they seem to think he belongs and have ranked him decently so far. I think he's above average, because so far given the injuries and the actual rosters he's had to work with, each year they do a little-a lot better then predicted - up to this season. This season is too weird to judge. His best record is without EP go figure - until covid. The rest of the year Bowman wouldn't make a lick of difference if the players can't do it.
Edit: On this season. THN had us 5th. Not sure i read anywhere that we'd be higher then 4, the Hockey figured 4. The family members felt that a down year was likely as soon as we got the schedule/alignment, same as the "pro's". Looks like that's going to happen for sure. Changing coaches i think serves a purpose, if a veteran team is underachieving, or a team of any kind has lost the room. Occasionally a change just for the sake of change is worth it too. We are getting close to the latter.
Edit: On his coaching style. Authoratarian (Keenan, Torts), Players (Quin, Robinson, McLean), Tactical (Bowman, Hitchcock)
used to be the basic model's i grew up with and it was a spectrum and coaches could be all three at once but usually had a dominant facet. Bowman was not a players coach really, but was the other things for sure. Players loved Quin because he has their backs (something TG does all the time too, a deflector shield for stupid media questions...doesn't really throw anyone under the bus other then "it wasn't his best game " etc.) Also yells at them so has some disciplinarian in him too. Hitchcock was both a tactical and a d!ck to play for until way later in his career - only baby bombers and gen x react well to that style (see Torts lol - love the guy but wow every team he's been on ... players have revolted eventually ... except ours but for sure it would have come).
Now they use autocratic, democratic, and holistic. Because that's how they've had to adapt to gen z and mellinials who grew up winning trophies for showing up. Can't teach old dogs new tricks ... any of the old coaches that didn't adapt have left the league. Hitchcock wrote a long article about how he had to lay off the hard ass stuff and become a friend and a consouler to deal with the next generation of players to stay in the league. Torts has mellowed a lot but you can't change a tigers stripes completely. Babcock ... lol well he will be back but he sure blew it in TO with his motivational tactics didn't he?
Motivation and managing lines/minutes are the key jobs a coach can do really. Some in game stuff but not that much. Preparation too, making sure the teams on the same page, a system etc. Personally my favourite coach is a players coach. Quin. TG would have to come close to winning a cup and be in the league a decade before he'd command that type of respect. But he's done better then i thought he'd do, same as JB. Change for the sake of change for sure is coming if nothing is achieved soon. Once that cap is freed up there won't be any excuses anymore, the depth is finally almost there, the core will be entering their early primes, and there should be two more Schmidt/Myers/Miller/TT types to carry the mail.
Always a good read/post from you, sir.
Maybe you responded already in the thread to rate the job TG has done as HC, I haven’t seen it yet, so I’m curious what you’d say.
Ultimately, I am not interested in what posters think on here, but rather how they think, which is why I made the post to which you responded. As you will see in the thread, there is almost zero, as in an embarrassingly big nothing of collective knowledge, being posted in here in regards to an informed assessment of the HC duties. So far, this is what’s here:
“developing young players”
”timeouts”
“line combinations”
I don’t know bud, does that strike you as a “knowledgeable fanbase/community”?
We used to be here. But then came the “hate” purge. We rounded up those critical posters and minus’d them into oblivion, then dog-piled the rest, which IMO was seemingly an administrative function. Pretty tough to prove that now, but look around. Where are those posters today? Instead, today, we have our resident super-homers setting the tone like a cartoonish mascot or something. The seriousness which used to be here to balance that part out is gone. So threads like these are pretty dry. I’m not trying to set myself up as some hero mind here, not at all. I just wish we had a better mixture of posters who knew what they were saying because they did it themselves, or at least have some relevant exposure, rather than these emotional or baseline arguments.
Not too long ago here there were ‘joke threads’ to mock ourselves named things like “ I like Pyatt because he has pretty eyes”. I miss that level of acknowledgment of how serious some posters were when we could openly mock uniformed opinions. Today, IMO, we are doing the opposite.
We’ve seen a culture shift on this site in the past oh maybe 7 years or so, which resulted in a purge of unpopular opinions and posters who used to frequent these forums who were experienced hockey people and ex professionals. It often feels like we’ve replaced that knowledgeable with your average, never played, never coached, never anything posters who are here to cheer for the Canucks more than they are to discuss them, well, with any seriousness anyways.
Fine, but the balance is gone and perhaps we should consider how the community is perceived by viewers from wherever who should quickly discern that this is a place to cheer, not to be serious. IMO, it’s a shame and maybe some new moderators could entice back some of those who’ve been minused away, etc. For a few years here, it’s been awful, but in the past few months it’s seems to be less dog-piling on serious, critical posts of the team, mostly at the management of it, such as this thread attempts to do.
Hate, quite the word to describe the way a fellow die hard fan feels towards their team, has been supported here so much now that we have a community vernacular which labels critical thought as hate. Incredible. This is how far the knowledge-pendulum has swung over to the side of whatever the puck it is in here now.
Sign-of-the-times, I know, but wow, I think we need some new representation here, from those who’d actually post something insightful for us goons to read in a post meant to describe why they think Greener is a good HC. Line combos?
Bring back the self-hating trolls and whatever else the site’s chased away in its attempt to rid itself of “negativity” before CDC flips over on its side from being so ridiculously unbalanced these days (though it’s just stating to improve).
Had there been even just a few posts in this thread which spoke to an assessment of the HC of the Canucks, I’d been satisfied and not need to ask the obvious question; what does TG do well as HC? By what metric? I think that’s a tough assignment. It’s probably much easier to tackle his weaknesses.
I just can’t think of anything at all that he does better than any other HC. If I do, I’ll post it. I hope someone does, and backs it up, so I can learn something, which is what first got me addicted to coming on here, way back.
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1 hour ago, canuck2288 said:
The fact that absolutely nobody on the team responded in any way when Edler was ragdolled is thoroughly disgusting
not one player on the Canucks stepped up the hitting, not one player went after their soft guys, not one player dropped the gloves
soft wimp culture that simply doesn’t care has been cultivated by Green and his hacks
aqua thinks fans will shell out their hard earned money to witness that garbage?
as usual its open season on the Canucks and the entire league knows it
“Nobody saw it”
Probably the same team as said that last time.
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Thanks for keeping JB.
Best stealth tank, ever.
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1 hour ago, KelownaCanucksFan said:
Green 7-8, his assistants -5
Interesting.
What does TG actually do that would make you think that? You are suggesting he is in the top 20% of coaches, or something like top 6 in the NHL.
Honest, non-facetious question, what would you rate your knowledge of what an NHL HC is actually responsible for, as being?
Other than an obvious few tasks, how well do you, or any one reading, actually know what the HC actually does?
To rate the HC, especially rate the guy in the top in the league, he must tick a lot of *boxes. I’d like someone to list them. Maybe not yourself, but it would be interesting to have to put forth a bit of logic as to showcase how well opinions are informed in such a thread/question.
What is TG actually good at? (Better than other HCs?)
I can’t think of a single thing. No bias there, I just can’t.
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4.something; less than average.
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9 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:
That was Seguin and Benn in DAL. I dont recall Gallant saying anything negative about Sedins. Maybe i forgot.. wanna refresh my memory thx
Imagine if what was said about players by other players was published?
Theo Fleury could tell stories.
Sisters? Bahhh, that’s getting off easy. Reallll easy
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3 minutes ago, 4petesake said:
I agree, I have no idea what to think about him.
If the season ended and TG signed somewhere else the same people screaming for his head would be chanting “there you go DimJim ran outa time.”General question, how many regular posters here do you think could even put a name to any system TG deploys?
How about for other team’s structured play or systems?
I would guess maybe 3, tops.
Doesn’t stop anyone from voicing bizarre opinions regardless of which side of the TG fence their supposedly on.
The more emotional, the further removed from any expertise it seems too. Good times.
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1 hour ago, ilduce39 said:
I kinda hear what you’re saying but then agree with what Deb said... that start to the year (schedule or whatever reason) was also brutal.
Self-inflicted maybe with terrible D and goaltending too. If only we kept the health with when we started to remember how to play.
Just feels like a complete write-off of a year.
As an aside I think the North isn’t as bad as people are calling it either. Every team is playoff-level (yea, even us based on last year) besides Ottawa - who are chalk full of young talent and just playing for fun with zero expectations. Not many, or any (lol Toronto) contenders but “good” teams. Just my .02.
You can make excuses, and people will.
Call them facts, sure, but there’s no science that says it’s a disadvantage to get those games in with such a young group of minute munchers.
The point I’d tried to piggy-back on yours with was to at least acknowledge that other teams had crap COVID luck to start their seasons and still managed to produce. To try to cancel that out with a schedule excuse though, well that’s where my interest in the subject ends.
The North Division is a gift, and the Canucks responded in typical Canucks form and played down to the lower teams and up for the few decent once’s, well for a bit there anyways.
Are we really going to blame the standings and results on injuries and now COVID? Anyways, great post and follow-up response.
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1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said:
"Early on"
Not after they'd gone through the absolute WORST scheduling in the entire league for the start and were needing rest, not to be obliterated by COVID and dealt a sucker punch when they were already depleted.
I can go into details for you if you need to see how it was quite different. Look at their schedule and ours. Then factor in that this team is jumping back in during "the stretch", where the intensity is full throttle. No easing in...jump into the fire. Just as they had to start the season.
Quite different.
Too bad they didn’t win while they were healthy.
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4 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said:
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14 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
Considering we had the worst Covid outbreak in the league coupled with Petey being out long term and this is the real “cap crunch” year.... I’d never support an intentional tank but if there were ever a “Canuck luck” year to win the lottery it’s this uncertain one.
By the way if you’re listening, hockey gods, I’ll take it. Take it and run.
I’m not sure how bad it was, but some teams like the Pens were without their entire Dcore, etc, for long stretches. That impacted their ability to win, just like the bagged Canucks are now facing.
For a long time this season, the roster was pretty much 100% healthy. Then EP went down. Lots of teams have lost their stars this year though and kept ticking. It wasn’t until COVID hit that they’d faced any serious adversity this season.
That was a remarkably good run, in hindsight, but they didn’t capitalize.
The Canucks had it bad, but in one narrow stretch, sick sure, but results-wise, there also were some hard hit by COVID protocol teams, who early on, managed to continue and persevered in the standings.
The Canucks had their chances this year.
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4 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:
Don't get your panties in a bunch. Just stating the mathematical facts.
Also the funny part is how we gave so much chances for Montreal to run with it and they fail at every turn.
And, somewhat similar in luck, that TO win was entirely due to Cloutier-esque goal tending.
The Canucks are getting some luck, some.
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7 minutes ago, ey40 said:
Hey look! We are at the basement now!
Mr. Jim Benning, you did it. You freaking did it!
It’s like Aquaman is the real tank commander.
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