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2 hours ago, nergish said:
Nah, whatever assets we’re using for Barrie should be used to get Ristolainen.
Barrie is the better player today, but Risto seems poised to explode offensively and has the size.
Risto is horrible defensively. Just as bad as Gardiner.
Barrie would be awesome on our backend. We don't have exactly have a surplus of 50 point defenseman that can move the puck and control the pace of the game. He's a local kid that has 1 year left on his contract. He's been one of the most productive dmen in the last 7-8 years. People are acting like were going to make the playoffs this year and are looking to make a Cinderella run to the Stanley cup. We have a few years before we can do that and can look to add size later in the year or next year. We have Hughes and Stetcher that are our smaller guys. We can absolutely add Barrie and add 3 defenseman with size once Tanev and Hutton are gone. Who knows Trymakin might come back, we might draft Seider, and we already have our dman version of Jake Virtanen in Jet Woo and don't forget Juolevi likely is close to 6`1-6'2 and 210-215 lbs by the time he becomes a mainstay on this roster. I couldn't think of another defenseman better than Barrie for Hughes to learn from.
Whats up with this new infatuation with size? We did this crap after Boston beat us in 2011 and it did nothing for us.
A balanced defense core:
Hughes Barrie
Juolevi Woo
Trymakin Stetcher
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16 hours ago, coastal.view said:
jb is doing a fine job
you simply do not wish to be patient and let the process unfold
that's on you
let aquaman keep his own money in his own pocket
and you work on controlling your need to weaponize other people's cash
JB is doing a mighty fine job.
I have been patient and could be patient for another two years, but what youre proposing is a lot longer than 2 years. Which fan wants to see a rebuild take 10 years?
Why don't you let aquaman worry about his own money. He's in this business and is aware that sometime you need to spend money to make money (playoff revenue)
Weaponize the cap - not cash.
You still haven't provided any alternatives to obtaining additional assets.
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9 minutes ago, King Heffy said:
I'd strongly prefer not acquiring a defenseman who can't play defense. Weber, Larsen, and Pouliot were bad enough.
Im with you Heffy. I was just saying I would prefer Gardiner to Risto because of the cost to acquire. Id rather have neither. They cant play defense and that's a concern we need to address this year.
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13 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:
I think so too.
JD followed up on 1040 saying Det might be interested in sliding down & getting one of the RHD.
I think its still a real longshot we get Byram, but it would be great.
Even if we don't get Byram, we could still get someone like Turcotte, Cozens, or Dach at 6. Otherwise Im good with Podk, Boldy or Krebs. I think this draft is a win for us no matter who we walk away with. The one year we drop all the way to 10th but still get a player that could easily go 4th/5th. We don't need the lottery, the last 3 years the hockey gods have been good to us. Juolevi is going to surprise a lot of people and I think Virtanen finally hits 20/20. Team is starting to come together in a huge way.
Now only if we could get an additional 1st and an additional 2nd this year.
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40 minutes ago, King Heffy said:
On what planet is Gardiner's play in his own end acceptable?
Its not, its as bad as Ristolainen but we wouldn't have to give up assets. Ristolainen isn't going to be easy to trade for. You're looking at minimum a 1st and a prospect. Gardiner and Risto are offensive dmen that have below average defensive capabilities. The difference is one we get without giving assets.
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12 minutes ago, coastal.view said:
i appreciate you wish to simply support the position you initially posted
go review salary cap room the canucks have had in recent seasons
and then tell me how the first sentence of your post i have quote above is credible
i decided to save you a bit of work
2016/2017 season - $5,460,744 unused cap
2017/2018 season - $3,753,705 unused cap
2018/2019 season - $6,779,472 unused cap
and yes, aquaman clearly is prepared to deal with the cost of his management's mistakes
and move an unproducing player off the team roster (gagner) at his cost
that does not mean he is prepared to take on the cost of another team's player mistakes
but, whether you accept this or not, every team has players sitting in the press box
usually 2 each and every game
that is the nature of having a roster size bigger then then number of players permitted to dress for a game
the nucks for stretches chose to sit the same player
but that sitting phenomena occurs every game for every team
it adds nothing to support your view of things
Ok...so how do you propose we fill in all the necessary holes to begin competing? Keep drafting in the top 10 for the next 4 years?
Do you want to give up Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat, Boeser, Virtanen, Juolevi or even Woo? Likely not, I know I don't. So how do we add to our roster without giving up anything?
We have nothing to give, yet need to plug in a few holes in our lineup. The assets we currently have don't bring in players that will help us compete. Im trying to obtain assets with the one thing we do have...a rich owner. Him spending 10 million this year and helping the team make it to the playoffs 2 years from now instead of 4 = playoff revenues.
We either spend 10-15 million in free agency for longer term players or take on 10-15 million in cap for 1-2 years, obtain prospects that will be cost controlled and can help out the team in 1-2 years which will offset the cap expense through playoff revenue.
I would urge you to look at this from a business perspective as well.
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2 minutes ago, justathought said:
Good, now get Ristolainen
NOOOOOOOOOOO, please no. too much to acquire and not good defensively. would much rather have gardiner who we can just sign
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5 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:Meh, not as excited as most of you(still think it's one year too long and a little too expensive) but could've been a lot worse. Welcome back Alex.
A little too expensive? how so?
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3 minutes ago, D-Money said:
A steady, Hampus Lindholm-type D-man who plays the right side is exactly what this team needs.
And with Hughes and Juolevi as LHDs already, I don't see why we'd be so high on Broberg. With his size he dominates against kids, but there are a number of questions over if he has the mental ability to play in the pros against men. Soderstrom is doing that already.
If we knew 100% that wed be getting a Hampus Lindholm type dman. He would be gone in the top 3.
A RHD is what this team needs along with 2-3 top 6 wingers as well. I think Soderstrom is a stretch at 10. If Benning thinks Soderstrom is our guy, I trust him completely.
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We got the best UFA dman available.
great contract. term is decent. cap is much better than I would've imagined. He likely would've got 6.5-7 on the open market. No NMC in the last year allowing him to be exposed in the expansion.
Credit to JB for not giving in and remaining steadfast in his position.
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5 hours ago, D-Money said:
The more I think about it, the more I think Benning will take Soderstrom.
Soderstrom's ceiling isn't viewed as high as a lot of players in that range, but he's an extremely "safe" pick, a virtually guaranteed top-4 RHD. He's already playing against men in the SHL (which is pretty rare for a 17 year-old). People see the 7 points and think he doesn't have offensive upside, without realizing he was the highest scoring U18 player in the SHL (forwards included). Back when he was in J18 Allsvenskan, he was dominant offensively. He's a fantastic skater, has a great shot, and is a steady defensive player - pretty much a perfect compliment to Hughes.
Canucks absolutely HAVE TO hit on a RHD here. Woo is the only guy in the system with top-4 upside, and that's not a sure thing. Soderstrom would definitely plug the hole, and if development goes well may turn into a Hampus Lindholm-type D-man, which you simply can't acquire outside of the draft.
Soderstrom isn't even much of a reach at #10. McKeen's has him at 10, FC at 11, EliteProspects at 12, Hockeyprospect.com at 13, and McKenzie/ISS at 14.
I think the time to take the safe picks are over. Need to swing for the fences. High risk/High reward type players at 10. Broberg/Podkolzin, etc.
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On 6/18/2019 at 2:20 PM, Smashian Kassian said:
How did he in the Hughes draft? They had a guy they ranked 3rd overall fall to them.
I think they are leaning D, Bennings a pretty honest guy. Not to say they wont take a fwd (I think they like Krebs) but ideally theyd probably like to get a D & my money is on that guy being Broberg
I think Broberg is gone at 8 to EDM
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29 minutes ago, Baer. said:
10+M in cap space is not worth a late 1st and a couple 2nds.
its 10 million for this season only. Next season it drops to 4 to 4.5. We have other players we can move off of to regain some of that additional space.
Would you hold true to that statement if these 1st/2nd rounders become impact players for us in the future?
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29 minutes ago, Fanuck said:
No we don't.
We can just as easily stay the course and build through the draft.
It takes one thing, and one thing only - patience.
We're close, just let the plan unfold people.
Im all for being patience, just not sure management and the ownership group are. From a fans perspective, its easy to say stay the course, etc. But staying the course affects managements jobs and ownerships revenues. These have to be taken into account. There is a reason that Vancouver is being linked to free agents, trade scenarios, moving up in the draft, etc.
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45 minutes ago, Blue Jay 22 said:
Pretty sure Anaheim didn’t buy out an overpaid, injury prone player just to take on another. And Sutter is definitely not returning a high 2nd round pick by himself.
There was talk on Sportsnet 650 that the asking price would be the 29thOA but its likely Anaheim parts with their 2nd and holds onto their 1st round pick. I based the proposal on what I heard from the media.
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57 minutes ago, coastal.view said:
i get it
it's not your money
so yeah it's a fine tactic
so far nuck management has never adopted this approach
as i think aquaman prefers to not take money out of his pocket
to support this strategy
just sounds good in theory to a fan
there are other ways to build assets
I don't believe the nucks have ever had the opportunity to adopt this approach. We had aging vets for the last few seasons that weve slowly moved off of.
Aquilini was okay sending Gagner to the minors and allowing Schaller and Del Zotto to sit in the press box. Im sure they realize that if the assets aren't available from a personnel perspective, than the financial resources are good as any to try and accomplish the same goal.
There may be other ways to build assets but its either a slower approach or one that isn't a viable option for the Canucks.
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18 minutes ago, KelownaCanucksFan said:
This management group is so inept the time to do this was two years ago, not after his body has broken down further. I guess we will have to see what the 5th rounder we get for him turns out to be
How do you know they didn't try? They could have been trying for the last 4 years and just didn't like they offers that were given. Stop blaming management group as if they sit on their asses all day. Every management group is actively pursuing every avenue to make their team better. Do you go to work and just sit around?
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We have to weaponize the cap space. We do not have the assets to make the necessary trades to acquire much needed personnel to fill holes. I think the following trades accomplish this. You could package the acquired 2nd rounder's (see below) to try and get another 1st somehow but likely in the 21-30 range or package to get a top4 d/top6 f.
Chris Tanev (50%) to VGK - Clarkson, 17thOA to VAN
VGK in some deep doodoo with the cap. Currently at 83.1m with Karlsson a RFA. They save 3.25million in cap here.
Sutter (50%) to ANA - 39thOA to VAN
Anaheim is looking for an affordable 3C to allow Rakell to move up to the wing with Henrique. Sutter at 2.19mill is worth that 2nd in this case. Hayes got paid 7m as 2c/3c. Maybe we throw in a prospect/pick and get their 29thOA instead. This is the least likely to happen as they could go UFA but not sure they want to pay that kind of money for a 3C.
Goldobin to EDM - Lucic, Pujuljarvi, 38thOA to VAN
Edmonton frees up 6 million in cap space, pick up a offensive winger project in Goldobin and most importantly hang onto their 8th. Canucks get Pool and 2nd.
We pick up 9-10 million in cap space this year. Clarkson off the books next year. Eriksson hopefully traded post July 1, Sutter off the books in two years. Tanev traded. Schaller, Granlund, Spooner, Baertschi all moved as well. Even w/ Lucic we will have the needed cap space to sign Boeser, Pettersson and Hughes. Just cant go crazy in the UFA market.
Draft Day
10th - Iunno take anyone (forward)
17th - Seider
38th - Foote
39th - Thompson
40th - Korczak
Sign Jake Gardiner
Sign Brett Connoly
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6 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
It's difficult for me to believe that TO hasn't soured on him after what happened last season. Considering the fact that they're in big cap trouble, the fact that Nylander is nearly a 7 million dollar cap hit, the fact that he was willing to sit for half a season, and the fact that he was ice cold for the longest time after he came back, I have no problem believing that they might prefer Kapanen to Nylander.
You make some valid points but that would be Toronto mixing emotions with business. He did have a cold streak but don't expect that to be the case this year with a full off season of training. Nylander is worth every penny of that contract now. Just look at what Hayes got? I expect Boeser to get 7.5-8million now. Nylander is a 60-70 point player whereas Kapanen is not. Kapanen is likely looking for 4.5+ as well. I think the benefits of keeping Nylander outweigh the negatives.
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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:
Tanev with 40% retention is something every team will look at. Canucks are in no danger of cap issues for 2 years.
That's worth a mid 1st this draft.
Look in to it and replace with Seider or Harley if possible!
Tanev (50%) to VGK for Clarkson, 17th OA - right around the Seider territory or we package 17th with something else to move into the Seider territory.
We can put him on LTIR after the season begins. VGK is already at 83.1million for cap and they still have Karlsson as an RFA.
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2 hours ago, buddhahoodlum said:
Hmmm let me get this straight. Tanev is often injured, causing the Canucks to dip into our typically depleted D corp. So the solution is to trade him so we'll have 1 less defenseman to call on?
I'm not saying we shouldn't move on from Tanev but some of the logic in these posts aren't well, logical.
The logic has to be inferred.
By moving Tanev, you open up even more cap space that will allow you to sign dmen in free agency. Gardiner and Stralman, especially with the return of Edler would finally make the Canucks backend respectable
Edler Stralman
Hughes Gardiner
Hutton Stetcher
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3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
That's the only way I'd be OK with Zaitsev coming this way, if there's a big sweetner in either Nylander or Kapanen.
You could get Kapanen. No way you're getting Nylander.
Are people forgetting how good Nylander actually is? Or did his contract hold out cloud everyones judgment? Hes still a very talented NHL player on the ice.
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1 hour ago, Borvat said:
I would rather Goldobin for Puljujarvi.
Goldy for Pool
Sutter for Pool
Baertschi for Pool
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This will be a draft floor deal. They will wait until Colorado picks to see if Byram is available. A conversation will be had with LA and DET if Byram is available, maybe even BUF.
Ive said this a few times and based on the draft order, I could very well see Byram going 6 or 7.
Hughes
Kakko
Turcotte
Almost certain of this
Col, La, Det, could all take Byram but from the reports ive read and the rumors out there it seems like it may go
Dach - The only way I see them passing up on a potential 2c is if they feel 16thOA and Kerfoot, Jost, Zadaror can get them a 2c via trade.
Zegras - most teams seem to covet Zegras more than anyone outside of Hughes and Kakko and LA needs a little of everything
Podkolzin - from what ive heard, they are leaning towards the Russian
This leaves Byram available at 7 potentially. We've seen what Byram can do on the ice but maybe his combine wasn't good or he interviewed poorly or simply others interviewed better. There could be a myriad of reasons that he is still available at 7. If he is there at 6 or 7, you make the call and you see what it takes. For the Canucks, Byram is a game changer based on the makeup and needs of this team.
Outside of Horvat, Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser, everyone is available.
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[Rumour] Canucks aggressively pursuing Tyson Barrie
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We can send them futures that they can flip somewhere else for immediate help.