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Garland (no retention)
Rathbone
1st in 2024 (top 10 protected)
for a signed Noah Hanifin
is the most I would do. That offer in the article is ridiculous.
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3 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:
Sadly, looks like a bottom feeder team again.
Why dont we reserve judgement until those question mark spots are filled.
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1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:
Assuming there are no other parting gifts from Jim Benning (eg., junk contracts) then sure.
Myers, Poolman, etc.,
Poolman and Pearson have both played thier last games as a Canuck. Look out for Myers and Beauvillier potentially both being gone by the beginning of the season. Garland we now have the cap space to retain or move out the tdl.
Kuzmenko Petey Mikhayev
Hoglander Miller Boeser
Garland ???? Podkolzin
Karlsson Aman Joshua
Hughes ????
???? Hronek
Hirose ????
We need a 3c, RD, LD x 2.
Demko
Silovs
At this point, look at the addition by subtraction advantages. NO OEL and soon to be NO MYERS. Improved team simply because of those two being gone.
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1 hour ago, eeeeergh said:
When we're contending, its the difference between a Tanner Pearson and an Andrei Kuzmenko
Thats a big difference
I disagree. The 2.3% difference isnt going to be the difference between us getting a Pearson vs Kuzmenko. What I think most fail to realize is that the difference of the $2m and its effect depends on the makeup of the team. We wont be looking for players of that calibre based on who we have in the system already. We wont be looking for players like Kuzmenko and settling for players like Pearson. Rather, this amount of money may force us to miss out on depth but I dont think it will be problematic to the point it decides between whether we go deep into the playoffs or not. Im sure there's an argument against this, but would likely wont be enough to convince me otherwise.
I would begin to look at the cap savings as opposed to the dead cap. OEL could have had a resurgent year but it wasnt likely. That contract is almost entirely off the books. PA will be cognizant of that and maybe when resigning players, hes able to shave a little off each to sort of balance it out. Signing Petey at 10.5 a year as opposed to 10.7. Signing Hronek to 5.8 as opposed to 6. It wont change the fact we have deadcap but there are workarounds.
Front office has a task at hand, which is, level out the dead cap somehow. Im confident they will be able to accomplish this.
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7 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:
my issue with it is when youre contending, you want every dollar of cap space you can to load up
its an arms race at the deadline, and teams that managed their cap well get the benefit of buying more weapons
we'll go into all of the next 8 years with a 2 million dollar handicap
which is significant considering the difference in a 4 million dollar defenseman from a 6 million dollar defenseman
I think 2.3% of deadcap is manageable.
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Whilst it wouldve been much better to commit to this buyout next year, or the year after I'm confident that PA is aware of the salary cap increases in the coming years and he likely has more up his sleeve. Didnt they come out and say they werent going to be looking at buyouts to be cap compliant at the beginning of the season? Something had to have change to force their hand to pull the trigger.
It may not be ideal but weve free'd up a significant amount of cap space. I dont believe we have all the information but it was likely considered for quite some time before finally making the decision.
Some are just so quick to jump to conclusions. This is step 1
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1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
The management team better not f**king complain when they find they're out of f**king cap space in a few years - all because of this f**king short-sighted move.
Cap will be up significantly over the next few years. I believe they're projecting 8-12 mill increase or something along those lines over the next 3-4 years.
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15 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:
If its not a comparison then there's no reason to bring up that name as an example of the reasons why you think Benson will bust. Which here is vaguely stated.
You entitled to your opinion, I'm not trying to take that away from you at all. You could probably make the case Shinkaruk was not a player for some of the same reasons Virtanen wasn't a player. While Benson could be a player for some of the same reasons smaller players like Point & Marschessault are great players.
We can agree to disagree on Benson, I'm not trying to tell anyone they have to want him. I'm just pushing back a bit on characterizations of him being a stereotypical small flashy Jr scorer (that are seemingly just based on his size). Not trying tell anyone who they have to like.
Edit: And @Warhippy I didn't mean that to be directed at you FWIW. Others have brought up those kind of names too. It was just a general comment. (I think it was someone else saying that lead me to make that comment tbh)
Players with the IQ of Benson do not bust as some are claiming. They almost always carve out a role for themselves. If Benson is available at 11, I dont see how you pass on him. Willander would be a better selection given team need but Benson is swinging for the fences. Kid has been ranked top 6-8 almost all season. Is Bedard any bigger than Benson?
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3 hours ago, CanuckFan1123 said:
Man people get obsessed with player size. Wasn’t Petey like 155-160 pounds when we drafted him? Guys can still grow and also add muscle at these ages. I’m not saying a guy who’s 5’9 now will be 6’3 in a year but it’s crazy if people are so willing to pass on a prospect or discount their skill over an inch or two or twenty to thirty pounds.
Let the expert scouts do their jobs and let’s just be excited that the draft day is getting closer and closer.
If i remember correctly, Pete played well against STL and VGK in the playoffs a few seasons ago despite his size
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Everyone is aware of how much I have flip flopped back and fourth despite announcing I had my final list. Well, I have another final list and would be ecstatic to draft any of them.
1.Dvorsky
2.Reinbacher
3.Benson
4.Willander
5.Wood
6.Moore
7.Danielsson
How the draft will play out in my opinion
Chi - Bedard
Ana - Fantili
Clb - Carlsson (JK is drafting the bigger center here over Smith)
SJ - Smith (not a chance SJ passes on Smith at 4)
Mon - Reinbacher (Mtl may like someone like Dvorsky but ultimately they go with their future #1)
Ari - Leonard/Dvorsky/Michkov (Likely Dvrosky whilst Leonard falls to Phi but who know)
Phi - Dvorsky/Leonard/Michkov (They need everything so it could be anyone but my bet is one of these 3)
Was - Michkov/Leonard/Dvorsky (dont see Michkov dropping past Was)
Det - Benson (I think Yzerman swings for the fences here)
Stl - Danielsson (the tools, size and motor isnt something STL will want to pass up on regardless of who else remains)
Van - Willander (confident that this is who the Canucks take unless any of the 5 above fall)
Ott - ASP (smooth skating defenseman that can help with zone exits as they were at the bottom of the league in this regard)
Buf - Wood (Tage Thompson 2.0 enough said - Buffalo is going to be scary)
Pit - Perreault (Crosbys replacement)
Nsh - Barlow (Heavy shot and physicality to play alongside Forsberg)
Vancouver also packages picks and prospects to move up to draft Samuel Honzek (fantasy)
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15 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:
You had me at Soucy. Not sure how we get Peeke but looking good.
Miller
small add
for
Peeke
Roslovic
34th OA
1st in 2024 (top 3 protected.
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Boeser hits 30 next season. lets hope he is focusing on both skating and board battles this summer.
Also no reason to wait till August to start working. If he wants to stay a Canucks, that off season preparation has hopefully already started.
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We should be going after Carson Soucy instead of Severson or Ryan Graves who will both sign smaller deals in comparison to Severson.
Trade with CLB for Peeke and our defense is set for the forseeable future until Johansson, Woo, Kudraytsev take the next steps. A small sample size but I think Hirose is gonna be great next season for us. May even bump OEL down to the third pairing.
I would not be signing Bear unless simply to qualify him and trade him for futures.
Play Burroughs as your 7th man
Juulsen, Wolanin, Woo, and Johansson as first call ups.
Hughes Soucy
OEL Hronek
Hirose Peeke
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10 minutes ago, HKSR said:
Cap dumps are generally negative value. So it depends on who the cap dump is I guess?
anyone that we could take back to even some of the salary and then bury in the minor or something. Deals like this like the recent one CLB was involved in takes a lot of creativity given how many pieces are moving. I think if a deal like this happens, it makes next year a fine tuning year and we are ready to compete in 2024-2025
With the amount of pieces coming back to Van, we could also package something up and try to get someone better than Johnson or Peeke, etc. Package our 3rds/4ths and that 34th to maybe get another top 15-20 1st rounder. Lots of options after a deal like this.
Kuzmenko Petterson Mikhayev
Hoglander Johnson Boeser
Beauvillier Roslovic Podkolzin
McDonaugh Aman Joshua
Hughes Peeke
OEL Hronek
Hirose Burroughs
Jarry
Silovs
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3 minutes ago, HKSR said:
I could totally see Peeke, Marchenko, and that 34OA for Demko. Mind you the 34OA is a 2nd round pick, but I valued it as a 1st this year since it's a deep draft.
Miller would be more valuable than that. So I still think we're missing a 1st round pick somewhere along with that 2nd/3rd.
Miller
Demko
Garland
McWard
for
Peeke
Roslovic
Johnson
Cap dump
34th OA
1st in 2024 (top 3 protected)
Would this work?
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4 hours ago, HKSR said:
Doesn't seem like enough value for the Canucks.
Realistic return values on these guys:
Miller =
decent to good roster player,B+ tier prospect,1st round pickDemko =
decent to good roster player,B+ tier prospect, 1st round pickGarland = 2nd round pick
Roslovic =
decent to good roster playerPeeke =
decent to good roster player34OA =
1st round pickJohnson = A tier prospect =
2 B+ tier prospects2nd rounder in 2024
I'd say we're missing a 1st round pick and and 2nd round pick in value. That's quite a bit.
We're missing the 2nd rounder for Garland, who I actually think has more of a 3rd round pick value given term left on his contract and his cap hit. Not negative value though like some tend to believe. I dont believe Demko gets that 1st rounder. Maybe an equivalent prospect. I just dont find goalies to have that much value in trades.
We can either take out Garland all together, or we try to even things up by asking for a 3rd rounder this year, or a 2nd rounder next year.
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16 hours ago, mll said:
Kekaleinen. At the 6:50 min mark. Johnson and any of their top prospects seem to be considered untouchables though. They are looking for some veterans to help their key young players take that next step. Portzline lists Johnson, Sillinger, Jiricek, Marchenko, Gaudreau, Jenner, Werenski as untouchables and it doesn't sound like 3rd overall would be available as they hope to draft that franchise C1 with that pick.
That should definitely be the way they should be building things, but you cant add talented star players for nothing. Have to give to get. Adding Miller (who I do not want to trade) would be amazing for some of thier young players.
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21 hours ago, Coconuts said:
If I'm giving up Miller, who management supposedly wanted two 1st for from Pittsburgh, plus Demko I'm wanting better value back
Only problem is Miller may have been worth the two firsts without an extension in place at that time. Now that he has a 7 year contract at 8m and the cap is only slated to go up 1m next season, i think it diminishes his value a bit.
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21 hours ago, Coconuts said:
It's a solid proposal but I cant help but feel it favours Columbus a bit
Miller and Demko immediately solidify their team at 1C and 1G, I don't necessarily believe Garland is equated to a dump
Johnson and Peeke are good value, so is the 2nd, but Roslovic is a pending UFA, he's probably the piece of the deal that I'm not as comfortable with
I'd feel more comfortable if we were able to speak to his camp and work out the framework of an extension in advance
I also question where this leaves Columbus with Elvis, who is locked in at 5.4M for another four seasons, I expect they won't want to be spending 10.4M on goaltending
Someone else commented that as well and i agree to an extent that we may need another small add on both sides, but one that favors the Canucks. Maybe something like CLB adding Jake Beane and us throwing in someone like Max Sassons or later 2024 pick or something.
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21 hours ago, Alflives said:
Rather have 3OA instead of Johnson. Carlsson is by far the better player.
He very well could be. If I'm Columbus and I want to compete, I prefer the 3OA on an ELC so that I can use that money to bolster the lineup through trade and free agency. Picks 1-3OA will not be moved barring an overpayment, something the Canucks cannot afford.
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21 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
No, because as @Coconuts indicated in his Proposals thread, the 'nucks braintrust were adamant about 2 1st round picks as approximate value of Miller. We're trading 3 1st round pick equivalents for a couple of 2nd rounders and a mid-first who is floundering, or a former top 5 pick C/LW who is still below 0.5 ppg after his first 88 games (2 seasons) and can't win a faceoff to save his life? Not gonna happen.
Miller is not going to fetch 2 first rounders heading into an 8m per long term contract. Not with the cap situation as it is.
Who is floundering? Johnson? Peeke? Players look alot worse on bad teams. I think Peeke would be an absolute stud playing alongside Hughes. If it makes it closer in value if it were Sillinger, that could be okay as well.
Garland is as good as gone in my opinion.
I love Demko and I think hes a top 10 goalie in the league when hes healthy, but his longevity may be a concern.
Im good with keeping Miller and Demko and moving Garland only but some ppl feel that Miller isnt needed and the contract will not age well.
This is not something I want to do, just an idea to see how many ppl on board with it or something similar.
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Miller
Demko
Garland
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Peeke
Johnson
Jack Roslovic
34th OA
Columbus most importantly gets to keep the 3rd OA and draft Fantili or Carlsson whilst adding both Miller and Demko to help improve their chances at the playoffs next season and add a skilled 5 on 5 winger in Garland to shore up thier middle 6.
The Canucks retain their 11th OA to draft player X. They add Peeke to play the rightside along with Hughes whilst also adding Johnson and Roslovic to fill out the 2C/3C roles. We also add a an early 2nd this year. We could bring up Silovs this year with a much improved top 6 defense or sign someone like Tristan Jarry until Silovs is ready. We save or could save upto 8 million in cap space not including the eventual move of Beauvillier, Myers and expiring contracts of Perason and Poolman. We now have 11th and 34th to draft both a RHS defenseman and a C (Wood and Gulyayev?)
Fair value? Who says no? Who adds to make it this work?
Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikhayev
Hoglander Johnson Boeser
Podkolzin Roslovic Joshua
Hughes Peeke
OEL Hronek
Hirose Burroughs
Silovs/Jarry
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1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
Miller will no longer be available after June 30th. His new contract has a NMC, and good f**king luck getting him to waive it to be traded to Columbus (or anywhere else), so their time to act would be now, and the only trade chip CBJ has worth discussing in a trade is the 3OA.
The same would be true even if they didn't trade the 3OA and Provorov still stunk it up and Babcock loses the room. He's taking a gamble right now, and his gamble is to try to make it to the playoffs and go far in the playoffs. Getting Miller increases his team's chances of making the playoffs, but I suspect if he fails regardless of trading for Miller or not, he's probably on the next flight out of Columbus with his freshly issued pink slip.
Miller
11th OA
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Peeke
Johnston/Sillinger
34th OA?
Worth a discussion, no?
Thats a huge gamble to take trading 3OA without knowing the uncertainties of Provorov and Babcock. Still think it makes no sense to trade it for Miller. I think a larger package might work with several moving pieces or atleast would be intriguing (see below). Lets just agree to disagree.
Also thank you for actually providing substance to your thoughts and engaging in an actual dialogue.
Miller
Demko
Garland
11th OA
for
Peeke
Johnston
34th OA
Jack Roslovic
1st in 2024 (top 5 protected)
Myers, Poolman, etc.,
[Rumour] Canucks interested in Carson Soucy
in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Posted · Edited by Seannnp
4 year/3.5-3.75 million tops
play him alongside Hronek.
Sign Schenn to play 3rd pair with Hirose.
Still need to find top pairing dman to play alongside Hughes (hopefully one of Reinbacher, Willander, or Simashev)
Hughes 11thOA
Soucy Hronek
Hirose Schenn