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Hall for Larsson was in June of 2016 and Lucic was signed July 1st 2016. You honestly have some of the most uninformed worst posts on here man. I feel like you’ve only been watching hockey for a couple of years and you get all your info from CDC and Sportsnet Pacific.

The Oilers 2nd round playoffs was in 2017 what bad contracts have they signed in the last 3 seasons that have “handicapped” them..?

Attention CDC: Deb is now the official moderator of the word “Is”. In addition she is now the site expert on what constitutes a dominant AHL player. So make sure the next time your favorite AHL player scores 4 goals in a weekend set of games let Deb know and she’ll post an article of the dominance.

In what way is Lind “dominating the AHL”..? 23 goals and 67pts in 124 games over parts of 4 seasons. He’s a decent player, but dominating the AHL..? C’mon man.

I dunno man... going from one of the worst teams in the league to doing “serious damage” in 2-3 years is still pretty rare. Those Hawks teams sucked but as soon as they got Kane, Toews et al the rise was meteoric. The Canucks have their equivalent players now and are at the bottom of the league. People like to point to the Avs as a comparison but look at them,Landeskog is in year 10, MacKinnon 8, Rantanen 6 and they honestly haven’t been close to making a run yet and are a bit shaky this season. Also those “placeholders” you mention are basically half the team and have roughly 4000 games of NHL experience so changing that many players and replacing them with prospects and FA’s in a 1-2 year period can have an adverse affect on team chemistry, leadership and confidence etc. The chemistry seems to have been affected by removing 3-4 vets this season, removing 8-10 over the next 1-2 seasons could have a similar result. But like you said, nobody has a crystal ball.

I agree with most except for the Carolina comparison. 7 of their 8 D right now are all 27 and under and all bring different skill sets. Maybe the forward groups of the 2 teams are a bit similar but the Canucks D has 5 guys 29 or older and only a couple of the young ones have really shown much yet. If the Canucks had anywhere close to that blueline corps right now they would be in a much better position. Also if the current core of the Canucks is 3-5 years from contending then who will be the d corps..? Only Quinn and OJ are likely to be here 3-4 years from now. The Canucks need a few more dmen to graduate successfully to the NHL in the next few years.

Don’t worry, all the people that are saying “all they need is more practice time to gel” will immediately pivot to the “team is fatigued” narrative that has been making the rounds the last couple of days.

The Canucks in the 6 seasons prior to the 2011 Cup run the worst record they had was 39-33-10 for 88pts. That team was never anywhere near the bottom of the league like the current Canucks have been in recent years. To look at the current team, where most people want half the team gone, and say “they are 2-3 years away” is wishful thinking. Maybe if the current team can string together 4-5 winning seasons and making the playoffs a few times then you can say they are 2-3 years away from Cup contention. I doubt people were looking at the 2004 Canucks and saying “they are 2-3 years away”, but they were saying it in 2009. Honestly the current Canucks were 6-9 years away from Cup contention when EP was a rookie. 2-3 years of making the playoffs or getting close, 2-3 years of winning a round or 2 and 2-3 years of hopefully Cup runs. They are half way through year 3 of that 6-9 year window. The bubble artificially made it seem like they were further along but I still see 4-7 years before the current team makes the playoffs consistently and maybe goes on a Cup run.

He reminds me of a more offensive Tyson Barrie. They are the exact same size, smooth skating, puck movers but defensive liabilities. Barrie hasn't really developed out of that sort of style so its on Quinn and the coaching staff to develop that in his game.

This will be my last tidbit on the Hughes/Karlsson comparison Quinn this season age 21: Currently on pace for 7g 65a 72 pts -37 47blks 17hits over 82 games CF 51.9% FF 50% PDO 96.8 68.1%oZone starts 31.9% dZone starts Erik Karlsson 2011-12 age 21: 81gp 19g 59a 78pts +16 65blks 60hits CF 55.1% FF 54.% PDO 100.9 57% oZone starts 43% dZone starts Norris trophy winner. Same age and Karlsson was considerably more defensively responsible than Quinn. Nobody is saying Quinn isn't a huge talent but lets not overstate what he hasn't done yet and compare him to some of the greats. Its not fair to him.

You don't know what Hughes will be, that's your speculation. Everybody in the world would take Coffey and Karlsson over Ehrhoff. You just randomly pulling in 2 of the greatest dmen of all time and saying they are better than Ehrhoff and comparing them to Hughes makes no sense. Why not mention Orr and Lidstrom? Bourque and Niedermayer?

Question for ya CDC. What's the difference between the Canucks and the Senators? Look at the records. Canucks 8-14-2 68gf/85ga -17 Sens 7-14-1 58gf/85ga -27 Almost identical records. They play the same 5 other teams. (6 if you include each other) The rosters are vastly different. So how can they be so similar? Things that make you go hmmmm on a hockey-less Friday night.

Hughes is only more offensively talented. Ehrhoff is 6'2" 210 and would hit guys, block shots and clear the net in addition to QBing the PP and putting up points. Ehrhoff was an all around better dman than Quinn by quite a margin. Quinn might develop into a more defensive player but I don't see him laying hits etc the way Ehrhoff did.

OV is a good example as he was in his 13th season. Crosby not so much as he made the finals in his 3rd season and won the Cup in his fourth. Stamkos isn't a great example either because it was the next generation of stars (Hedman, Kucherov, Point, Vasilevsky) that came in after Stammer that were the difference makers in putting Tampa over the top.

That feeling when you're lying on the couch on a Friday night and you realize that the next time the Canucks likely play a meaningful game is about 225 days away.

Henrik 1C (reigning Hart and Art Ross winner) Kesler 2C (Selke winner) Ehrhoff 1D Burrows and Daniel (Art Ross and Pearson winner) 30 goal wingers plus a Vezina caliber goalie. You can nitpick on Ehrhoff but he was a 50pt, 23min dman who got Norris and All-Star votes. Thats about as legit a #1 D than most teams had in 2010 and 2011.

No North division games tonight so I thought I would look and see what the "Ottawa Factor" has meant so far this season. Taking away the wins and gf/ga from the games each team has played against Ottawa and seeing the difference. Toronto 15 wins 74gf/55ga +19 (13 wins 54gf/38ga +16 without Ottawa games) Edmonton 14 wins 79gf/65ga +14 (10 wins 61gf/55ga +6 without Ottawa games) Winnipeg 12 wins 67gf/51ga +16 (8 wins 47gf/41ga +6 without Ottawa games) Montreal 9 wins 64gf/56ga +8 (8 wins 54gf/44ga +10 without Ottawa games) Calgary 9 wins 51gf/62ga -11 (9 wins 50gf/56ga -6 without Ottawa games) Vancouver 8 wins 67gf/85ga -18 (5 wins 51gf/82ga -31 without Ottawa games) Vancouver, Winnipeg and Edmonton have taken the most advantage of the Sens. Toronto and Montreal have not taken nearly enough advantage, especially the Habs. Calgary has only played them once and got smoked. The 2 items in bold are of particular concern for this fanbase.

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26 of the 50 current contracts are RFA's not named Petterson and Hughes that will expire in the next 2+ years. Thats what I mean by an organizational crossroads. I can pretty much guarantee a bunch of those guys will be let go despite being developed for 3-4-5 years by the Canucks. Lots of tough decisions in the next couple of years.

Wasn't really commenting on keeping the core together its more about how the entire organization is at a bit of a crossroads and whether or not Benning is the guy to be in charge going forward.

Taking this a bit further. Lets say for the sake of argument that the cap stays flat for next season and then goes up by $2m per season for 2 seasons and is at $85.5m for 2023-24 and that neither Schmidt or Myers are traded or selected in the ED. $85.5m Myers and Schmidt 11.95m (lets call it 12), leaves $73.5m Again for the sake of this scenario lets average out the 5 core guys below at $7.5m, a couple might get 8-8.5 a couple might get 6.5-7. EP Brock Bo Hughes Miller $37.5m, leaves $36m Hoglander, Juolevi and Demko I'll say $7m between the 3. Podkolzin 925k (lets call it 1m) $8m, leaves $28m Brock-EP-Miller Hoglander-Bo-Podkolzin xxx-xxx-xxx xxx-xxx-xxx Hughes-Myers Schmidt-Juolevi xxx-xxx Demko xxx $28m to sign 6-7 bottom 6 forwards, 2-3 bottom pairing dmen and a backup goalie. If Benning (or his replacement) signs a couple of middle to upper tier UFA's ($5-$8m) would leave anywhere from $12-$18m to sign depth players. Will adding a couple of UFA's and a couple of prospects to the current group listed above be enough in 2 years? Depends on the UFA's and how the current players progress the next couple of years I guess.

Oct. 1st 2022 is all well and good for a date to look forward to but when you look at the entire organization they only have 2 players (Myers and Schmidt) signed for 2023-24 which for all intents and purposes begins in a little over 2 years. That's 48 contracts they need to negotiate. Does Aqua trust Benning with this task or would he prefer to bring in someone this offseason to take this on? By July 1st 2023 the following players will need to be re-signed or have decisions made about whether or not they stay with the organization. And bear in mind that its unknown if the cap will go up by much if at all in the next 2 years. EP Brock Bo Hughes Miller Virtanen Gaudette Juolevi Demko Hoglander MacEwen Motte DiPietro Sautner Brisebois Rafferty Michaelis Lind Jasek Lockwood Palmu Focht Gadjovich Rathbone Woo Eliot **I posted this on another thread so apologies if you're reading this twice**

Edmonton has played only 2 less games in the exact same amount of days and both have played 11 road games with trips out East. 5 of the Canucks 11 road games have been in Alberta, so not exactly grueling road trips. Toronto has 5 in a row on the road coming up so that will be a test. The Canucks are 2-9-2 in their last 13, are you suggesting they have been fatigued since game 11 that was less than 3 weeks into the season? P.S. The Canucks have also only played 41 games including the bubble in the last 11 1/2 months.