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True, but we were having a discussion on Benning’a drafting vs. Sakic’s drafting. Discussions do occur on this forum.
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[BOXING]Related discussion here!
Elias Pettersson replied to Angry Goose's topic in Off-Topic General
Thank God I didn’t pay the 50 bucks. I was close but turned the channel at the last minute. -
Yeah but the difference is Colorado is supposed to be a Cup contender. You know all the smart moves that Sakic has made in the last 6 years. 6 years later their defence is still getting shredded by Vegas. Time to retool again for Colorado. If they want to win a Cup they will need more truculence, especially on the back end. Maybe Zadorov is available.
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Just for perspective, Benning has gotten more NHL games played from players from just his 2014 draft class alone than Sakic has gotten in his last 7 drafts COMBINED (2014-2020). It’s not even close. Without a gifted MacKinnon from a draft lottery win and Landeskog who was already on the team Sakic’s core isn’t as great as people think. Byram was also received from a trade for Duchene who was drafted by the previous GM. So Sakic had the luxury of trading a 3rd overall pick to get another core piece. Benning has never had that luxury in his 7 years. Another thing to consider is Sakic took over in 2013. 3 1/2 years later his team finished dead last which allowed him to draft another core piece in Makar. Even Benning’s Canucks were able to finish higher than Colorado that year and it was one of their worst years in franchise history. The biggest difference after 2016 was the play of MacKinnon. He turned into a franchise player in his 5th year. That’s why I keep saying the Canucks are 2 years away from Colorado. Because Petey will be in year 5 and Hughes year 4. That will give us a better determination of where this team is headed.
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Their defence is currently getting destroyed by Vegas…
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Brackett was also there for Virtanen and Juolevi. You can’t cherry pick here. Number of games played makes a huge difference. How else do you determine who’s draft picks are better? That’s the most objective way to do it in my opinion. Benning has had his 5th round picks play 160 games. Sakic 58 games. Sakic’s 2nd round picks have played a total of 71 games. Benning 136 games. Not sure anyone who looks at these numbers objectively will say Sakic is a better drafter. You are not being objective here. I am simply providing you with facts and numbers. Yes I would trade their core for ours too. But Sakic wasn’t directly responsible for their two best players so that is not a fair statement to make to be totally honest.
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Benning IS a better drafter. What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? Since 2014 when Benning took over the Canucks have had their draft picks play a total of 1,573 NHL games. During that same time with Sakic Colorado have had their draft picks play a total of 913 NHL games. It’s not even close actually. Benning’s draft picks combined have played almost double the amount of NHL games as Sakic’s draft picks. As for Colorado when Sakic took over he had Landeskog, Duchene, Barrie, Erik Johnson, Ryan O’Reilly, Paul Stastny, Semyon Varlamov. He was then gifted MacKinnon one month later. That’s a much better core to deal with than Tanev, Markstrom, Edler and Hansen.
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Sakic has added the pieces necessary to win the Cup. Benning has yet to do that. I also believe Sakic had more to work with than Benning when he first started. I mean Sakic took over in May of 2013 and a month later MacKinnon falls into his lap. And Landeskog is already there. Benning had to take over a team with 2 ageing twins and players like Kesler who wanted out. Basically a team on the total decline with no young prospects in the pipeline. At the end of the day Sakic has proven to be really good at trades and free agency. Benning not so much. Benning is a much better drafter however. This summer will be critical for Benning. It will make or break his career in Vancouver.
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Colorado didn’t finish last in 2013. They won the lottery which gave them the opportunity to draft MacKinnon. So there WAS luck involved in that pick. If they didn’t luck out and win the lottery their team without MacKinnon would be much different today. Sakic also picked Conner Bleackley at 23 overall the following year in 2014, two spots ahead of David Pastrnak. Benning also took Jared McCann ahead of Pastrnak but at least McCann is an NHL player. Bleackley failed to play even one game in the NHL. Sakic also took Tyson Jost in 2016, 4 spots ahead of Charlie McAvoy and 6 spots ahead of Jakob Chychrun. Benning took Juolevi ahead of all of them as well as Tkachuk and Sergachev. So they both failed to take the best players on the board at the time of their selection. Sakic is a great GM but his draft picks are hit and misses and he also lucked out on getting MacKinnon. He has still been able to build a great team regardless. Benning and the Canucks I think are two years away from having a really good team. Benning needs to step up his game on the free agent and trade fronts in order to take the next step. Let’s see what he does this summer.
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[Proposal] Canucks- Flyers
Elias Pettersson replied to 86Viking's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Philly looks to be in rebuild mode. I highly doubt they are going to trade their first round pick. -
I highly doubt Seattle does Tampa a favour and picks one of those 5 players without getting something back in return. They could simply pick another cheaper player from their roster or someone in the minors who they think highly of. At the end of the day if Tampa wants to keep their young core intact they will need to sacrifice picks to get Seattle to take on a big contract and then they will need to buyout one or two of the other players. Johnson's buyout would be ugly so he is probably the player that Tampa negotiates with Seattle to take.