Petey40
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That.. makes no sense. The video posted and the articles being posted is already interpreted information. It’s not like we’re taking raw scientific data and making an assessment ourselves. These experts have already made the most accurate assessment they could based on the information available and interpreted it in a way the public can understand. That’s like saying we aren’t qualified to interpret the information from our BC health experts and should wait for our family doctor to interpret the information for us. How many interpretations do we need? Having them create a plan is good but applying efforts based off the opinion and expertise of international health experts instead of waiting for our government to apply similar efforts can do no wrong.
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You completely disregarded the video someone posted earlier from a epidemiologist and recommended others do the same. You have repeatedly told people to ignore international information and stick to listening to local authorities. You have implied that people are posting misinformation because it’s not coming directly from the BC health experts. I repeat it is fine to listen to local authorities but don’t disregard the experts from around the world and don’t imply other sources from around the world are misinformation. I can go back and find quotes of you doing this.
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When did I say that? You are misinterpreting what I’m saying. You keep calling posts people are making from international sources misinformation because it’s not locally sourced. Do you think that other health experts aren’t taking information from the WHO as well? I’m not saying to ignore local sources, I’m saying that information posted from international sources on this forum is not misinformation. Which you keep implying is.
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Yes there are a lot of sources you are right about that, but if you read the sources generally they all say the same thing about the virus rather than contradicting statements. Which when happens across the globe you can come to the conclusion it’s true and based in fact. I’m not saying to ignore the BC medical health officials but you definitely should not ignore what the WHO and other leading world health experts have to say. The WHO is arguably the best source for medical information on this disease that is out there, they have first hand knowledge of it from when it first started in China because they sent medical experts to investigate. I know for a fact BC did not send medical experts to China to investigate what was going on.
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Almost everything posted is based in fact from the WHO and other health experts around the world. Just because it’s not coming from BC doesn’t mean it isn’t factual up to date knowledge on the disease.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/12/people-coronavirus-italy-refuse-self-isolate-face-murder-charges-12385790/ Perhaps this is a more serious disease than a lot of people are thinking. Moving towards more extreme measures and lockdowns in B.C. could become a reality.
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Did you even read what I said? I never claimed to have a plan, I said I hope the BC government has a plan and is right because other countries echoed the same things BC is saying and they’re getting overwhelmed right now. To assume it can’t happen to us because we have good health experts seems incredibly naive. Other countries also have amazing health experts. Maybe it’s time to cancel large gatherings and move towards lock down. Maybe it’s time to start creating drive through testing facilities like South Korea and testing everyone. It’s happening uncontrollably all around the world so it just doesn’t seem likely that the risk to the public is low. But I hope I’m wrong.
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Good read, sounds like they’re taking some precautions but if it’s enough remains to be seen. The fact that they don’t think it’s necessary to postpone large gatherings when we already have cases of community spread is concerning. The hospitals are at 100% capacity which they said they can shift surgery’s to make more room but that’s still a concern. They are also saying the risk to the B.C. public remains low, the US government also is saying that and people are scared because of how naive they are being. This is a virus that has a faster growth rate than any virus we deal with at the moment. According to countries like Italy if you’re not ahead of it it’s already too late. I hope the BC government is ahead of it.
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But how are they handling it? If you could link me to some articles that prove they’re preparing in BC other than just saying “keep your distance, wash your hands, don’t cough on people” I’d be interested to see what they’re doing. I know as of Friday BC only tested 2,008 people for the virus, that seems like a low number does it not? Be proactive not reactive. If you could show me what the B.C. health officials are doing to be proactive Id be interested to read.
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Like I said in a post earlier I won’t be downplaying them and I’ll be looking at information that comes out locally and internationally. You are downplaying the most qualified experts in the world on this subject and looking only at local sources. It is far better to look at multiple sources and make an educated judgement based off that rather than looking at one source and basing all opinions off of that. That applies to every aspect of news not just diseases.
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I agree to an extent, but the problems that countries like Italy are facing is because they refused to look international and focused only on what was happening locally. If they viewed what was happening in China as a probability of happening in their own country that would have helped prevent it no? Shouldn’t BC and Canada be preparing for the possibility that what is happening in Italy could come here rather than ignoring other countries perspectives? It is good to take advice and explanations from everywhere. That way you have no bias and have a broad understanding rather than just one single source.
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Having our own medical professionals in BC doesn’t make the international experts any less credible. Like others have said you can listen to both opinions which I retract my statement about not looking at BC health experts. I will follow both local and international viewpoints.
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They also used measures to contain the virus that simply aren’t possible in western nations. We lack the resources, man power.
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My god you are dense aren’t you..
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The logical thing IMO would be to take the advice and rely on the reports coming from doctors in countries heavily affected like Italy rather than in our own country where others have said doctors think Covid-19 is “fake news”. Not saying they aren’t excellent medical professionals but how could they possibly make a more accurate assessment of the situation than the medical professionals across the globe currently dealing with overwhelming numbers of this? That being said that article does have good guidance and things to follow.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-have?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=article&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1584030843 A new report coming from Chinese doctors that says some recovered patients are experiencing a 20 to 30% drop in lung function. Keep in mind this is an early report so nothing is 100% confirmed yet. A good way to gauge whether these types of things are factual is to wait and see if other countries and doctors start reporting similarities. Reports from multiple sources around the world have proven that this illness can cause permanent lung scarring and organ damage regardless of age. I don't want to fear monger these are just the facts being reported. Be careful, and every extra precaution you can take may help someone else.
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To put this in perspective in January Italy had around 3 million reported flu cases with 240 deaths.
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My question is why should it matter that there are more mild cases not being reported? As of right now all the cases tested come up with a 3.4% mortality rating. Do you think everyone goes to the hospital to report the flu every year? No of course not so there numbers would actually have a lower mortality rating as well. The mortality and hospitalization is vastly higher than any virus we deal with and is overwhelming the healthcare system. And also you should do some research on what’s happening in Italy before YOU start spreading misinformation. There are more and more reports about how they aren’t even treating over 60 anymore because younger healthy people require intubation and they have to give priority to the young healthy people. I don’t want to fear monger but these are the reports coming from medical professionals currently dealing with the situation. I’d sooner listen to them than the people not dealing with what’s going on.
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Do you have a source for that? Because all the reports I’m seeing is it’s still affecting the older population a lot harsher in Italy then the younger population. Plus affecting the younger population in a 1st world country that has good healthcare seems like a horrible situation to me. Especially with the system being overrun.
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I never said you weren’t, but that’s the data as of right now. Even if it ends up at 0.6% mortality rate like in South Korea that’s still 6 times deadlier than the flu.
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For clarity, the reason China was able to contain this for the moment (the future remains to be seen) is because of the draconian measures put in place and the additional 16 makeshift hospitals and 10,000 healthcare professionals sent to deal with it. The reason South Korea has been able to contain it is they have been testing at a higher rate than any other country so they’ve been able to limit community spread. Italy was too late and they’re seeing the consequences of it, Canada and the USA are trending similar to Italy and absolutely need to step up there measures or this will get out of control before they know what hit them. Edited because sources say China sent 10,000 additional healthcare professionals not 30,000 my mistake.
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The Italians have an aging population and a lot of them smoke which is heavily contributing to the deaths.
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Normalcy bias. As described by Wikipedia is a tendency for people to believe that things will always function the way they normally have functioned and therefore to underestimate both the likelihood of a disaster and its possible effects. This may result in situations where people fail to adequately prepare themselves for disasters, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. About 70% of people reportedly display normalcy bias during a disaster.[1]