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12:02am we made it longer than we should have so far lol

See you all on the new forum

being out an out of town fan this place was so great to still feel contacted to the Canucks community. i hope to see most of you on the new forum and for those who aren't joining thank you for making this place a 2nd home.

Really brutal news, I just wanted to thank the mod team and the rest of the users for making this an incredible place to talk hockey, I may haven't been here as long as some of you but i still really enjoyed my time here just as much thank you all and go canucks go

there's no way you actually think that's a real photo when op literally posts that it's fake under it.

Do I even need say anything after today?

I can also prove this is a great pick with a time machine lmao. I think he will be NHL ready by the end of the season, wouldn't be surprised if he makes opening night camp next year so his d+2 year, how ever if he is 3 years out like you say I don't see how that's a bad thing like you said the OEL penalties are the worst so getting cheap talent on elc is one of the most effective ways you can minimize the OEL penalty, not sure with the rules of your logic you could think this is a bad pick

You clearly have no idea what your talking about if you genuinely think we could have had him in thr 3rd round.

Well if Hamonic was that bad why wouldn't you put him in the ahl? I love the biggest attribute you listed there was Dermott's High compete level and not any on ice abietites, The Cnaucks are a better team if they can upgrade on Dermott there is no question about that.

if the cap space was so needed sending Hamonic down only costs 1,850,000 against the cap, compared to what Dermott is making right now which 1,500,000 so yes 350k extra while giving up a 2nd to do so, the bolded text shows hesitancy in brining him back.

Yeah but you didn't predict this trade lol you had us trading a 2nd for the equivalent of 350k in cap savings, buddy your not a super hero lmfao you don't need to talk like one, you have put almost no facts here you provided the only facts and statists you have provided are these ones Which you see I countered here I was referring to the pro scouting staff that you mentioned which has not been touched yet by the Ruthford regime yet. Sadin is also putting much better numbers than Dermott, Sandin got moved because of his style of play not being needed with Riely being there big difference. You literally put quotes saying he doesn't know if they will re-sign him.

you literally pulled a quote from Alvin saying idk if we will re-sign him and sourcing your eye test as factual lol I am laughing because you are grasping at straws here man, your really trying your best to get me to engage in such a pointless topic it's really funny to see tbh.

so what you are saying is Dermott wasn't even good enough for a team that hasn't won a playoff series in 20 years? outside of Quinn Hughes i don't think a single defensemen looked good and made good passes under baumgartner's system. you do realize that's the same pro staff that helped Hamonic here in the first place? are we 6? i think we can be a little more mature than that when talking about such a pointless topic like you wanting to pay a 2nd for 7th dman. that's the start-middle of players primes Dermott isn't going to grow much more than what he already is. See that's something I can agree with but i doubt he will add any significant to a trade, will most likely be a throw in.

I laughed because you are desperately trying to get me in a gotcha moment and I think it's really funny you are brining up a topic from close to two years ago. In 24 games for the Canucks last year Hamonic had 3 goals, 7 points and was +1 like Dermott, so by those statistics our blueline is indeed not better. Honestly what Allvin said is a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, though if anything is to be taken by that quote there is hesitancy when he is talking about brining Dermott back. my biggest issue wasn't even with the players, it was paying a premium to downgrade at position of weakness to upgrade at a position of strength, especially when Dermotts value was at an all time low it wasn't even 6 months prior where Dermott made one of the most brain dead plays in a overtime playoff game the league has ever seen, at the end of the day Dermott is an adequate 6/7th Dman on a playoff teams roster, this isn't the home run you think it is in all honesty the Canucks blue line is better off without both Hamonic and Dermott next year.

You can't really say our blueline has been better with Dermott when he has barley played for us, we are still missing that shutdown D to play with Hughes which Hamonic was at that point, on paper close to 2 years ago the trade didn't make sense, today with Hamonic's regression it makes more sense especially with the Canucks cap situation, How ever trading a 3rd for a guy who probably won't get qualified this year isn't the gotcha you think it is. on top of Hamonic who had value at the time, you hade us paying a 2nd as well which is way higher price than we paid for Dermmott.

I just find it funny watching both sides argue back and forth about this when we all know the only reason this is done is to bring in more money.

I mean that's exactly why we brought in Hronek can't be having thise abousltely weak defensive break downs next year

I honestly like the deal Hronek is still young and a very good RHD this trade and reaction reminds me alot of the Miller deal.

won that off Burke's and Nonis's core

I like this deal from the Canucks POV, Horvat will never have a year like this again, and is looking for a big pay day which would be foolish to give him, Raty is a great young C that can be a 2nd line C in the future, if the Islanders pick is the 13-20 range we are going to be able to get a Good Dman with Gulyayev or Sandin Pellikka available in those slots, depending on how the draft lottery goes there is a real chance this team is way better next year

Too bad Bo's only hit this year is on a teammate that leads to a brutal turnover

Bruce there it is

If the Canucks can land #1 Overall I wouldn't be surprised to see a fast turn around that works this time 2023 Trade Deadline To Vancouver: Samuel Girard, Colorado's 2023 1st round pick To Colorado: Bo Horvat (50% retained) Travis Dermott Why Colorado does this trade, Colorado is still in win now mode trying to go back to back, they have a huge hole in 2c and Horvat would a be a perfect fit, they a surplus of top 4 defensemen in Toews Makar and Byram and Manson, Girard has typically played 3rd pair this year, Colorado is also saving some cap in this deal as well which allows them to upgrade their team further. Why Vancouver does this, Getting Girard would be a nice boost to our top 4, very good puck moving defensemen who is responsible in his own zone, Who is only 24, He can also play the right side despite being a LHD, getting a 1st this year also allows us to either a have another top 40 pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory or another valuable trade chip, 2023 Draft day Draft picks: Canucks win 1st overall and select Connor Bedard Canucks fill a organizational need and select Cameron Allen in the second round Draft Day trades To Arizona: Colorado's 2023 1st round pick Vancouver's 2024 1st round pick (lottery protected) Riley Stilman, Jack Rathbone To Vancouver: Jakob Chychrun Why Arizona does this trade, The Coyotes have been trying to move Chychrun for a while, here they get their asking price of two 1st round picks and a prospect. Why Vancouver does this trade, Winning Bedard changes this organization into win now mode overnight, Having a 1-2 Center punch of Pettersson- Bedard makes it easier to start spending high end assets like 1sts, Vancouver is finally able to address their biggest need with Chychrun who is a great 2 way dman with some size that can play with Hughes long term. To Ottawa: Tyler Myers (50% retained) To Vancouver: Ottawa's 2025 3rd round pick Why Ottawa does this trade, Ottawa needs defensemen Myers is good value at 3,000,000 with only a year left on his deal, he also can be a good vet for a younger Sens team. Why Vancouver does this trade, Cap space. Free Agency UFA J.T Compher $4,000,000 x 4 Years Tyler Motte $1,750,000 x 2 Years Alexander Edler $775,000 x Years Luke Schenn $775,000 x 3 Years Andrei Kuzmenko $5,750,000 x 5 Years RFA Ethan Bear $1,500,00 x 2 Years Connor Bedard $950,000 x Years Nils Hoglander $925,000 x 2 Years College free Agents Jake Livingstone $950,000 x 3 Years Why sign these players? Compher is the perfect 3rd line center, He is good in both ends of the ice he is 11th in the league for faceoff wins, Compher is going to need a pay raise and Colorado won't be able to provide it, Motte comes back to familiar place to where he has had his most success so far in his career Vancouver gets a great 4th line energy guy, Edler also comes back as the 7th D which new management he signs a 2 year deal into retirement, Livingstone stays in BC and provides a huge need Line Up Mikheyev - Pettersson - Kuzmenko Miller- Bedard - Garland Podkolzin - Compher - Boeser Joshua - Lazar - Motte Hughes - Chychrun Girard - Schenn Ekman-Larsson - Bear Edler Demko Martin This team should be able to contended almost immediately, In this system you would still have Guys like Hoglander, Livingstone, Lekkariamki this team would be ready for now and the future with this approach