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Still, if he was on a better team his numbers would be higher as his team would score a lot. I prefer a guy who drives play and creates than a guy who may look good from being on a good team. The reality is, if he’s contributing to 40% of this team’s points combined with 70% being primary points - he’s driving the bus, creating. We need that. Good read here https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.milehighhockey.com/platform/amp/2019/5/17/18616661/2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-peyton-krebs-scouting-report

Yes I looked at the rankings again, I agree there’s a good chance one of Zegras or Krebs falls to us. I think it will be the latter but should either it’s a no brainer. I really like Krebs in the ten spot, seems to have all the qualities we need, great skater, decent size, hockey IQ and apparently high character. Sounds like a JB type pick. Apparently he was in on over 40% of his teams points (one of the highest in the top 10 ranked), majority at 5 on 5 and 70% were primary points. He was on a very bad team that couldn’t score and this held down his stats many think. He was stellar at the u18s playing w talent. I’d be curious to know those numbers for zegras and how much help he had vs Krebs. The more I read on Krebs the more I think he could be a steal at 10. The fact it’s so hard makes me really want JB to get Florida’s #13 as well

Sutter has played the following with the Nucks 20gp 80gp 61gp 26 gp Prior to us he’s never really missed a game. His “injury issues” are overblown - it’s because as a Canuck he’s had some bad luck, and that’s all we’ve seen and we didn’t see his past. While Florida could use it as leverage, over his career he’s been very healthy. For Tanev He’s averaged about 55 games, so the knock is fair but also not as overblown as many claim. His injuries are also a result of playing with a team who never possesses the puck and playing ridiculous minutes. Certainly, a team will use his injury history against us, but teams also know why he’s injured- ie it’s not some recurring back, hip, groin issues, it’s been bad luck from blocking pucks etc. as a result, a smart gm may see the value in taking the combined risk, if they can be difference makers into their mix given their stage, and their non urgency in needing that first.

Sorry I missed one. Seems you’re angry. Have a blessed night

Depending on where we were in our lifecycle, the fact 5 fans show up, and the fact Florida’s desperate to solve their defensive needs, yes I would. However that’s not the correct comparison. My point was very clear at the start of the thread. Both teams are in different spots of their lifecycle and as such have very different needs. Your question makes the assumption that Florida’s and us are at the same stage of team development. They are not. They need to start making the playoffs to maximize the value of their core and bring fans back. We are still mid to late rebuild. That difference matters and was a key part of the position. Im sorry you didn’t understand it, I’ll try to explain it again if required

I'd go Zegras first given the elite skill, but its close second for Krebs, I think he's highly under rated given the team he played on, and I would love to see him fall to us, but I do think those two will be gone. That would put Boldy third but I love his play and would be happy with him as well. Zegras and Krebs are 'play drivers' and we really need that up front, and both are left handed centers (can't have enough centers) who could fill one of the holes in our top 6 on LW. Either would be fantastic, and as I said, I'd be pleasantly surprised to see them drop to us but I doubt they will. Boldy while not a play driver is an effective, big LW who can score. He's a complimentary player and I wonder if its him or a dman, much like some other players, there isn't enough to say he's the BPA over say a Broberg, a Seider, or York, Soderstrom.

Idea was to have both 10 and 13

What about Beagle and Tanev? Not that I'd want to move Beagle over Sutter as I think Beagle is more valuable, but he also has more value. It might be the deal to get it done if they push back, which I agee they would because of injury history.

I think a conditional second with salary retention is more than enough to make them think

Retain salary, and Luongo may be on LTIR - they have close to 22 mil in cap space- so actually it can be made to work quite easily. Sutter has 2 years left, Tanev 1 so there are no long term issues either.

Exactly, that's why the combination gets it done

I actually live in Toronto, so I see Nylander play every game. I'd take Jake over him every day of the week. Regular season points mean nothing, Jake will bring alot more to any playoff team than Nylander will. Nylander disappears in the playoffs, that's been proven now, much as Ehlers does. Even if Jake scores like those two in the playoffs, he contributes more with this size, defensive play and physicality - all important factors in winning in the playoffs. He also comes alot cheaper and still could prove to be more effective offensively in the playoffs when we get there. Only getting regular season points means nothing other than higher salaries.As a fan I want to see a cup win, not a kid getting 60 pts, being paid $8 mil then disappearing when it matters because it gets hard.

Non contact is the operative word. Give him room to dance, guy looks all world. Make him play playoff type hockey, he turns into casper.

Yes they will See your opinion isn't fact, don't portray it as such

As I looked at team needs throughout the league, where they are in their lifecycle, depth and our team's assets and needs I realized Florida, who we have a good trading relationship with, could be a good partner for getting another first rounder. Florida is at that stage where they NEED to start winning and making the playoffs. Looking at the stands every game, FLA needs to start competing in the post season if they want to stay there much longer. The attendance is atrocious and they must be bleeding money (reason why Bobrovski and Panarin are linked to them is obvious). Looking at their depth: Barkov, Huberdeau,Trochek, and Hoffman make a nice young (23-25) offensive core upfront, but all have very little playoff experience as they enter their prime years. Looking behind that, there's nothing much in their bottom six that's helping them win. The bottom six may not be sexy for teams and fans but they are key pieces to give the dancers the time and energy to dance. Sheahan and Henrik Borgstrom are their 3/4c for instance. On defense, after Ekblad, Matheson, and Yandle they have very little. Their 2Rd is Mackenzie Weegar. Ya who? a 7th round pick who put up 14 pts and was a -9. He is followed by Josh Brown and Ian Mcoshen....again..who? So if the assumption of Florida needing to get into the postseason is fair, which I believe it is, losing is starting to weigh on their young core, and clearly the fans care less and you need them back, then I believe their first round pick may not be as important to them as it is to other teams. Its #13, you've got 4 young players in their prime up front, and you need help NOW, not in 2-3 years when a #13 may just be entering the league and playing in your bottom 6 or bottom pairing at best. Trade Tanev - solves their RD issue, strengthens their D materially given their holes. Perfect #2RD behind Ekblad = more wins +Sutter - solves their 3c problem, takes heavy minutes away from Barkov and Trochek and allows them to focus on scoring = more wins If required throw in a sweetner prospect or retain some salary For #13 We get another pick in a good range where we can grab another strong player to help our rebuild. I believe where these two teams are in their life cycle, their respective needs, makes them perfect trading partners. We can back fill Tanev with a UFA if required.

how's his skating? he's a big kid, and I've never seen him play...if he can skate he may be a steal given where he's ranked

Given most here are not very knowledgable of the players in the draft (not in a bad way, none of us have scouted them, watched them alot, are really able to compare), and pretty much all of us have only read articles, scouting reports and watched some clips on youtube, I am happy we have Bracket and Benning to make the picks. They have shown the strategy they've taken in their drafting to be quite effective. In years such as this, where 3-12 or further is such a guessing game, the skill of scouting departments will really matter. For me, I don't know much about any of the players as I have only done the above but whom I'm intrigued and not intrigued about are the following Caulfield - love the hands, not the size AND lack of speed. If you're that small, you need to be more than one dimensional, and speed is key. We've seen the game changes in the playoffs. He is high risk high reward but given the mix of our team we can't afford the risk. I don't think you can call him a BPA at ten given the combination of skill and size of other players. He's also a 'complimentary' player, we are in need of a play driver / play maker upfront, not just a sniper. We lack creativity and players who can maintain puck control upfront other than Petey, for me he's a pass Broberg - This kid has size, speed, smart defensively. I have heard questions on his hockey IQ but haven't seen enough to make my own judgements. All I know is when he's playing best on best at his age, he shines. As a left D however, he's a bit redundant for us as we are loaded on that side. Doesn't separate himself to be the BPA imho, but if Gradin likes him, I'd be happy with the choice Seider - Wildcard - I've liked this guy for a long time given his incredible toolbox. A RD with size, can skate, and plays physical. Could he be BETTER all around than Byram, maybe. He's playing against men, has the "euro discount" of not enough eyes on him, and as always, euros unless they are immensely superior (Aka Ovechkin) always are ranked lower than North Americans. It's why we got Petey. I would be very happy to see if this is the route we take, even if he's 'off the board'. Why? Because if its a reach, then our scouting team KNOWS this kid is a gem. Cam York - Another LD but seems to do everything really well. Newhook - looked very good at the u18s. I haven't seen much of him, and it worries me a bit he may be over rated by people here but again, if our scouts like him, given his numbers, toolbox, skating ability, I'd be a happy with it. Soderstrom - RD, fills a need, but from what I've seen of clips seems to be not 'great' at anything just good at everything. Perhaps I haven't seen enough of him but he feels like a 'Blah" overly safe pick. That being said, a higher floor and lower cieling given our issues on RD isn't a bad thing. But when I look at the RD's available at our pick, I still drool on the potential of Seider. Again, I trust Gradin immensely, if he thinks this is our guy, then he's going to be good. Regardless of who we pick, I think there will be alot of players chosen between 5-20 who could challenge to be the best in the draft after the top 2 who are sure bets. The draft is just that tight this year, it would be nice to see JB find a way to swing another mid to late 1st rounder without giving up any youth (ie move Tanev+ Sutter and maybe depth player that a team who wants to make a run next year, could use).