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[Signing] Avalanche re-sign Nikita Zadorov
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I’d be curious to see who Colorado could lose in expansion. They’re so young I doubt anyone of value. Just hurts even more -
[Rumour] NHL team to Offer Sheet Marner
18W-40C-6W replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I think it’s Montreal who’s going to do it. 1. They went after Aho, it failed 2. They’re clearly not scared to use and offer sheet. The unspoken rule has been broken, it’s Bergevin no reputational issues now. Sunk cost, may as well get someone for it. 3. Forcing Toronto to match, and they most likely will, causes all kinds of problems for them to assemble a team that can actually win - great strategic move by someone in their division 4. If they don’t match, Montreal is not going to have any problems making the playoffs with the lineup they have now and I’d think Bergevin wants to give Price his real shot at a cup. I think Bergevin is the type to want to muck up the leafs for strategic reasons and of course it just adds to the Habs / Leafs rivalry lore. -
[Rumor] Boeser Camp Eyeing 4 Year Deal Worth $28M
18W-40C-6W replied to buddyguy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
No team has a problem paying a guy who has produced is my point. Clearly if we want to buy ufa years we’re not getting him for 6. If he scored 40-50 he’s worth every penny of 10+ even if playing with Petey. Not many guys do that. My guess is he won’t anyways and his next contract will be 9 ish -
[Rumour] NHL team to Offer Sheet Marner
18W-40C-6W replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
They’re going to match so this is a plausible trade for sure -
[Rumor] Boeser Camp Eyeing 4 Year Deal Worth $28M
18W-40C-6W replied to buddyguy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
And who cares. If he’s scoring 40 and 50 a year he’s earned it. Happy to pay him later for performance now - it gives us a bigger window man . -
I agree with all you've said above, but I think the issue is more nuanced on many power forward's transition from bulldozing in junior to the NHL. Agreed that time and space is gone and their size is no longer the advantage it was. The problem THEN becomes a lack of willingness to change their game. Rather than recognizing that their tools are still very valuable (ie Jake's speed and size, ability to punish very big men is still there), and simply adjusting their game, they often try to 'play the same game' and think eventually it will come. They simply don't recognize that their tools aren't as valuable at this level, that they NEED to alter their games. This is what learning what the pro game is, an why time in the AHL is valuable. I don't think these players lack hockey IQ, Jake included. That's an overused hyperbole and generalization, no one makes it to any pro sport without game sense, imho. The issue imho is (even in Jake's case) that these players need to recognize that what they did in the past will not work as effectively now. So they need to use that speed, size, and strength differently and improve in other details of the game that in the past they may have ignored, edgework, mobility in tight, quicker shot release, getting to the tougher areas vs assuming you can speed around a dman or overpower him, drive the net just to create chaos, hit more, etc. Getting to tougher areas is key, if in the past you could over power, now you have to learn to use technique, learn how to expose weaknesses. I believe this is why Green has been going slow with JV, he is 'coaching' him to use his tools in a 'different manner', and this takes time. It doesn't mean bad hockey IQ, its 're-inventing' big parts of his game, while keeping what he can. Try coaching a golf swing out of someone, same idea, it takes time, even if its a great golfer. The fact Jake was working with that skills coach last year, and continues to realize there are details of his game that can improve, tells me he gets it, and its not a hockey IQ issue, its more nuanced imho (and the same for many pwf's).
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He's signed to play in the SHL so no. Contract would not allow him (similar to why Tryamkin isn't here for camps).
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I guess when their careers are done, we'll all be in the right place to fairly and objectively evaluate who the best player/pick was. Just because MT was able to step right in as a winger, doesn't mean he was and will be the best pick over his career or for the team. The fastest runner over the first 100 meters of a 5000 meter race isn't always the winner. Wingers generally have an easier time making a NHL team vis a vis defensemen. Everyone knows defense is probably the toughest position in hockey to play, and second of course is center. Both positions need alot of situational awareness only gained via playing against men (ie AHL or 4th line), and also as importantly, man strength, which takes time to acquire, not everyone grows at the same pace. Wingers, given a much easier defensive role, don't need as much strength nor awareness. Defensemen have to battle players who are 6'4'' and 220 and be able to stay with guys like Patrick Kane and Mckinnon/Crosby/Mcdavid. Its not easy for an 18/19 yr old to step in guy. And if one does, you better bloody well have a all star D corps to insulate him with. We had a junk yard. Not to mention they are potentially 4-8 winger spots open to put a player into, vs legitimately 2 (5/6) for a young dman. And in all reality, you don't want a young offensive dman playing 6-8 mins a night on the bottom pairing, this doesn't help his game. He's better off playing top 4 mins, PP and PK vs men in the AHL/Overseas, gaining strength and experience as a step between junior and the NHL. This is all common sense, which many OJ critics ignore. Right now, sure MT is looking like the better pick, and he's a great player, but it doesn't follow that just because MT is a great player, OJ won't be as well. OJ was known to require a year or two to gain strength, many dmen require that. He then had a couple of unfortunate injuries, else we certainly would have seen him up with the Canucks at some point last year (after a slow start, hard adjustment the first handful of games, by all accounts he was showing quite well). As for Sergachev, he's a disaster in his own end, and was sat multiple times last year because of it, he's getting points on the most offensive team in the NHL, on a superb PP, its not a reflection of how great he is guy. Sergchev has averaged 35.3% dzone starts over his 3 year career for a reason. His deployment heavily offensive because he can't play defense well, and his possession stats are bolstered by playing with the best possession team in the NHL, that scores in bushels full. Context matters. In the playoffs his Dzone starts have averaged 23.1% over 2 years, to me that tells a real story that many don't think about. The game isn't over champ, and only people who need to feel like they are right jump and down and repeat what you do. Let's revisit how 'bad' a pick OJ was when he's played 250 games in the NHL, by then we'll see what we have. My guess is he gets 20-30 of those games this coming season. I am sure you'll be here to criticize any mistake he makes then as well
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[Signing] Tyler Myers to Vancouver
18W-40C-6W replied to Rush17's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
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[Signing] Tyler Myers to Vancouver
18W-40C-6W replied to Rush17's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I think the key is what I bolded above and I agree with you. Its time for players like JV, Baer (assuming he's healthy)and even Pearson to all take the bull by the horns so to speak and become real contributors. Baer has shown he can contribute, but he can be better and we need him to be (and healthy), JV NEEDS to make a big leap now, he's shown he can play at this level, had flashes of brilliance, but he needs to show he can hit 20 goals or close and be a physical presence night in night out, if he does, he can be a game changer with his combination of size and speed, Pearson needs to show his 20 games with Bo weren't an aberration and that he still has top 6 ability (I think he does and was a steal). We have the talent internally to be very good up front but its up to those players to show it now with the opportunity they will get. We can't always be looking externally for improvement, players within need to improve and start leading offensively as well, not just being 'good in their own end'. The only way we'll ever be competitive and challenge for a cup is if the players within improve and we get some overachievers from our draft picks (Petey, Bo, hopefully OJ, etc). -
[Signing] Tyler Myers to Vancouver
18W-40C-6W replied to Rush17's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
The purpose behind signing those guys was to insulate what little young talent we had and not throw them to the wolves of the Vancouver fan base and media. Take a look at how people react to us losing, then think about how they would react and place pressure on guys like Bo, Jake (who already faced alot), OJ (same as Jake), Stecher, etc if they were the one's 'leading the charge' . Management was well aware of our lack of talent and the fact we'd lose alot, you don't want to bust your players because of the pressure in Vancouver. The Canucks understand the pressure in this city, and no one understood it better than Linden, and this fan base (part of it) is alot worse than when he played, or at least social media magnifies it. Management understands how irrational (part of) this fan base is and how they pile on kids who are just learning their way through the NHL. Could it have been done better? Probably not given we didn't have a whole lot for JB to work with coming in. You need to think about context and situational issues bud. -
[Report] Canucks restructuring scouting department
18W-40C-6W replied to CRAZY_4_NAZZY's topic in Canucks Talk
By the sounds of JB's comments, they had one quality scout poached, which is normal in any business, quality if it wants to move up will move if there's no room here, and as he said, its a compliment. The other two sounds like they would have been removed anyways. Key is now to back fill with good quality as well and have those guys know what the 'strategy' is in terms of scouting. Its clear Brackett and Benning have a very good 'process' of evaluation, this can be taught to any decent scout. What's more worrisome is now with scouts being poached, some other team is going to learn our process, which appears to be very good! -
Nice response. I show you with facts and math that we can be in a position with that lineup in 2 years and still have 35+ million in cap space LOL and you said we have cap crunch coming 1. 35 mil in cap space - easy to Sign Petey to 10 mil and Hughes to 4 -5. Hughes wont be getting 10 mil on his second contract and even if he does we have 15 mil in cap space!! oopsie poopsie! 2. Demko will not have 'proven' he's a top NHL goalie at that point. He'll be one year into a full time starter position, he'll get a bridge of 3 mil that's common for goalies. 3. Math is great isn't it. Your post is absurd and you know it. You're not going to save face by talking around the fact that I just proved your commentary about a cap crunch to be sheer nonsense LOL SMH
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[Speculation] Tanev possibly being shopped
18W-40C-6W replied to dontaylorforprez's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I like your approach but would tweek it. Move Tanev for the reasons you've stated but I think we should (for the reasons you state, getting our young guys ready for 3 years down the road) play them now, but insulate each one with a steady vet. If we don't make the playoffs this year, who cares, we'll be close, our next D corps gets valuable experience and we keep our first rounder. The following year we have a young group (plus Tryamkin and maybe a Barrie) with the experience they need to push in. Edler Stecher (not in need of a vet, but it helps him) Hughes Myers (self explanatory) Juolevi Benn (let OJ play if he shows in camp he's ready to compete, insulate him with Benn, and spell him with Fantenberg when / if he needs a break) Fantenberg/Biega -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
18W-40C-6W replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Why not trade Tanev for more and do the same? You don’t need to throw him in is my point. Suggesting you need to give away Tanev to trade Erickson is a silly idea and a very bad hockey move. You don’t give away a valuable asset to get rid of a crappy one. If no one wants your 2002 Corolla with 150k on it, do you throw in your 2015 4Runner with it as well? no you don’t. You just don’t sell the Corolla. -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
18W-40C-6W replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
We don’t have a future cap crunch. A lot of contracts will be off the books in 2 years. We’re fine -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
18W-40C-6W replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
We don’t have a cap crunch. We’re not giving all that up for a conditional second dude. Justin Braun at 32 got a second and a third, why would you package Tanev who will get at least that and drag down his value? Goldy, Meh Erickson + Goldy, retain 1 mil on Erickson for a 3rd -
[Report] Eriksson “NOT” likely to be moved on
18W-40C-6W replied to Provost's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I don’t think we’re going to have to send out a “prime” asset. He’s only get paid 3mil in cash. Just this guy being an idiot. Someone will take him once the dust settles on free agency and teams need to reach the cap floor. He can still play and at 3 mil it’s not bad, and we can always retain. Just typical Van trolling media creating drama. Moreover, we don’t “have to move him”. We can send him to the minors. We aren’t going for it this year where we must have the cap room. -
[Report] Ben Hutton to become UFA
18W-40C-6W replied to BertaNuck's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
It would be a smart move depending on what comes back. I’d like to see Sutter moved for a pick as well and us sign Ferland Ferland Petey Boeser Miller Bo Pearson Baer Gaudette Virtanen Roussel Beagle Motte Edler Stecher Hughes Myers Hutton / Juolevi Benn That’s a team that other teams won’t look forward to playing. -
I guess you don't calculate players we're going to get rid of via trade or other and / or not re-sign / age out. But then again I use my brain, sorry about that The following is based on a 2020/2021 season and cap of 85 mil. we would have 19 mil in cap space based on the team below It assumes, we rid ourselves of Sutter, Erickson (assume a cap floor team takes him for a late pick), Tanev is traded or gone via ufa, we sign Tryamkin to 3.75, Boeser to 7 mil. Marky is gone via a trade or Seattle claims him. At the end of the following season Edler would be off the books, Baer and Pearson as well are UFA's. That leaves alot of money to sign petey, hughes and Baer and Pearson if needed. Edler will take a pay cut if he can still play or retire. (6 mil + 3.75 + 3.66 + 19 mil + any cap increase). The only player I don't have in there is a cheap backup. Its clear you've done zero thinking and simply want to bash benning. You're welcome for doing the math for you. Move along JT Miller C, LW, RW 5,250,000 UFA - 3 Pettersson, Elias $925,000 C, LW RFA - 1 Boeser, Brock $7,000,000 RW UFA- 6 Baertschi, Sven $3,366,666 LW UFA - 1 Horvat, Bo $5,500,000 C UFA - 3 Pearson, Tanner $3,750,000 LW UFA - 1 Leivo, Josh $1,250,000 LW RFA Gaudette, Adam $1,350,000 C RFA Virtanen, Jake $1,750,000 RW RFA Roussel, Antoine $3,000,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2 Beagle, Jay $3,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2 Motte, Tyler $975,000 RW, LW, C RFA MacEwen, Zack $1,050,000 C, RW RFA Left Defense Right Defense Goaltender Hughes, Quintin $916,666 D RFA - 1 Myers, Tyler $6,000,000 D M-NTC UFA - 4 Demko, Thatcher $1,050,000 G RFA - 1 Edler, Alexander $6,000,000 D NMC UFA - 1 Stecher, Troy $3,250,000 D RFA Juolevi, Olli $863,333 D RFA - 1 Tryamkin, Nikita $3,750,000 Benn, Jordie $2,000,000 D UFA - 1
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[Signing] Sharks re-sign Timo Meier
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Agreed but if we want longer term we’ll have to up AAV to buy some of his UFA years -
[Signing] Sharks re-sign Timo Meier
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Point totals are almost identical and games played. It’s a good comp. Hopefully you’re right. -
[Signing] Jordie Benn signs with Canucks
18W-40C-6W replied to CanucksCountry's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I’m sure Marky and Demko will be happy as well. Along with Eddie, Tanev and Stecher to have some help -
You clearly don’t watch leaf games. I live in Toronto and watch 60+ games per year. There’s a reason their success lives and dies on Anderson. It’s because the leafs defense gives up way too many high quality chances in the home plate danger zone. They've been looking for a stay at home dman for years for him and the media was even saying last year they expected him to be sat at times. making a statement doesn’t mean it’s fact kid. He’s not “garbage” aka sbisa but he’s still porous
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[Signing] Bruins sign Brendan Gaunce
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
He’s actually fast straight line but not mobile. If he wants to stick in the league he’s going to either have improved his mobility significantly or learn to use his size and hit people. The latter was and is his best chance but he doesn’t seem to want to do it. Problem is in junior he was a top 6 player. He hasn’t accepted he’s not going to be that in the NHL. If he would just bang and crash with his size and defensive ability he could carve out a 4th line depth role, but he’s got to figure it out now