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(Discussion) - Anders Lee & J.T. Miller Comparison
18W-40C-6W replied to laddie's topic in Canucks Talk
50 pts from the third line is still top 6 production on ANY team. add in he got 14 mins a night and his numbers are even more impressive. Playing true top 6 mins he should see an uptick in production and brings all the other facets of the game many have mentioned. As for the cap trouble. That’s overblown. Tampa had a lot of alternatives to deal with their issues. -
(Discussion) - Anders Lee & J.T. Miller Comparison
18W-40C-6W replied to laddie's topic in Canucks Talk
What? No they didn’t. If we don’t make the playoffs this year we keep it. This roster is more than good enough to make the playoffs in two years guy. Smh -
(Discussion) - Anders Lee & J.T. Miller Comparison
18W-40C-6W replied to laddie's topic in Canucks Talk
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How one spends their time is a measure of how the world values that time. Impressive
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The original post was that our process could have been improved. But to ignore edmontonitis like it’s only a risk to Edmonton without understanding why it’s not a good idea, shows a lack of hockey knowledge. Throwing kids to the wolves never works, it leads to a high probability of busts. Not every player is ready to step into a man’s eague at 19 years old (for reasons explained in the prior post). In fact, fee players actually are ready to step in, players like Bo are not the norm, they are the exception.
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I agree you need a mix. It’s interesting to read posts from people who can see the positive and negative but are objective and those who have used this thread to just “pile on” JB
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Edmontonitis is playing all young players thinking you can recreate the Oilers of the 80s. While the approach wasn’t perfect, insulating young players has proven time and time again to be more effective than throwing them to the wolves. You need a mix of vets and young players and the players need to be ready to play in the NHL from a physical, skill, mental and importantly maturity perspective. It’s clear if you look at Virtanen and McCann that not being ready can lead to edmontonitis, and almost did. Thankfully they both seems to be back on track. I think you’ve over simplified issues
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Cool, then why are you wasting your time here? Irony
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Sure but when have the canucks had luck in the lottery? We finished what, 2nd to the bottom once, 3rd to bottom twice. We fell back every draft. Arguably only our drafting saved us as we picked a superstar in Petey who should have been first overall and Hughes fell to us a different year. those teams you mentioned benefited from winning the lottery and having star (no brainer) picks sitting there for them. Many here complain we didn’t tank, we actually did and still got screwed by the lottery
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Good points, you forgot (as I did) Vanek which was a very good signing and certainly helped Boeser out a lot.
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Good point, especially in a cap world where those picks matter even more. This is where the complaint of this trading hits though. If you’re throwing in picks as JB has, you need to be winning trades not just breaking even or slightly worse. He is trading away assets that his group is very good at maximizing value for in the draft for assets he’s not good at evaluating. This is a sub par decision given his team’s own strengths and weaknesses
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Yes all fair points
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I didn’t say he’s pissed away value. I said at best it’s kind of even and he needs to do better. Try reading the post. Just because I support him doesn’t mean I can’t be critical of where he needs to improve. That’s the problem with haters, it binary to you. One or the other. You can’t admit on the whole he’s helped this club, which I believe. You just focus on one aspect and complain and call him garbage without looking at the totality of his impact. I look at it overall and say, we’re better off with him, but we need to improve in certain areas.
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I will start by saying I am a JB fan. I am sure this thread will attract a lot of the JB haters but amongst those of us who appreciate what he’s done for the franchise given what he started with, I do think we need to address a major issue / weakness of his -signing and trading. JB came in, had no prospects, had a team with the Twins that the powers that be felt were owed a chance to keep trying to win a cup, irrespective of their lineup. This was a set of handcuffs for Jim and we don’t know if it was ownership, him, or just simply that you can’t trade the twins and loyalty means something still. Regardless of the reason, not the point of this thread, it made the rebuild harder. Once he he started to restock, he knew he had to bring in some younger but not rookie players to help avoid edmontonitis. He brought in players like Baer, Granlund, Sutter, etc. Some worked some didn’t but the strategy to insulate what little talent we had has actually worked. Now that some of our young players are getting up to speed, the gap fillers are becoming expendable. This is a good sign. He has done a marvellous job drafting and has put together one of the best young prospect pools in the game. As a Canuck fan for 30 years, this young group is the best I’ve ever seen. He deserves credit for this, especially given what he started with and his constraints when he came in. Now where I think JB really hasn’t done well and where we could use some senior oversight (maybe a Brian Burke) is with signings and trades. Why I bring this up, given the recent buyout, talk of ridding Erickson, I started to think of his track record here. It really is weak. It’s not killing us, but it hasn’t helped us, and maybe marginally hurt us. You simply have to look at his history of jettisoning players he’s traded for, or buying them out, it’s not good. I know you’ll never hit on all your moves, but his % is not good in this area. I am sure to miss a few, and I’m sure I’ll invite the JB haters to have a hey day here but that’s not the intent, it’s to have people share their thoughts on this issue - those who are objective that is. sub par trades and signings (again may miss some) Oy Vey! Erickson Gudbranson (the pick is the bigger issue ) Spooner (Although I guess that’s a dead weight trade for Gagner) Gagner Schaller Forsling (not that he’s great but still better than Clandenning) Prust (had to move Kassian but throwing in a pick?) now here’s a good article that is balanced on the issue and shows most of his deals. https://thecanuckway.com/2017/06/16/canucks-jim-benning-trade-history/ While the article says he hasn’t really hurt the team, losing picks has and more importantly he hasn’t made deals other than Baer that made any major difference. When trading the purpose is to improve the team, same with signings. What JB has shown is this is not an area of strength and we really should have someone else making those deals imho. Alternatively, maybe it’s as simple as a pro scouting issue and whomever is doing that job, needs to be replaced. We’re simply not getting value in our trades and signings to warrant many of the moves it seems. Thoughts?
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Rumour was in Toronto he liked his drinks. This is likely the big reason he can’t keep his weight down.
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He’s a better winger, he’s not defensively responsible enough to play center. Put him on the wing with a talented center (aka Malkin or Sid) and he’ll score for you
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[Buyout] Canucks buy out Ryan Spooner
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I think Gaudette will start in Utica regardless. They want him at center and his offence to develop and he needs time on the first line and PP. in the interim you go with Sutter, get him off to a good start and trade him by mid season then call AG up to replace him. Win win -
[Rumour] Canucks inquired about Sabres defenceman
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Yes thank god I actually look at stats and player information before I make comments. Try it some time! -
[Signing] Tyler Myers to Vancouver
18W-40C-6W replied to Rush17's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I’m not sure why so many people are enamoured with Risto. He’s not a good defensman. Puts up points, hits and is bad in his own end. He’s not putting up karlsson level points to offset his poor defensive play -
[Report] Rangers to offer Panarin 11.25M X 7 years
18W-40C-6W replied to grandmaster's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Looks more like he needs a lighter for his weed than a beer holder -
[Report] Rangers to offer Panarin 11.25M X 7 years
18W-40C-6W replied to grandmaster's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
And I bet that’s what marner’s agent is waiting for, outside of potential offer sheets -
[Rumour] Canucks inquired about Sabres defenceman
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
I mean watch him play and look at his advanced stats and see how he can’t play defense. I guess that wouldn’t make him a real first pairing dman. That plus minus sure looks like a great dman and first pair to me! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=139048 i guess if you don’t believe in a first pair being able to play defense, don’t believe he should suppress shots, don’t believe he shouldn’t give up ridiculous amounts of shots in the “home plate” area of the ice - then. he hits a lot, gets points and gives up way too many opportunities to offset his production, gives away at a 2-1 margin, and is not a positive possession player. Drrrr lol - nice attempt - didn’t work lil buddy! Keep at it! -
[Rumour] Canucks inquired about Sabres defenceman
18W-40C-6W replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Way too much for one player who’s a work in progress defensively - aka sucks. Pass I wouldn’t even give that up for Provorov