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Kind of a cheat answer, but the golden goal to make the highest gold count in Olympic history from a winter games host country from Vancouver 2010. That Iginla to Crosby golden goal after just losing the lead with 30 seconds left in regulation was pure jubilation. You still can go up to anyone on the street anywhere in Canada and if you ask them about it they will have their own story of where they were and how they felt. I still vividly remember not only losing my voice from screaming so loud, but driving around after is a time I’ll never forget. No other word to describe it, but magic. Not only did we beat the Americans, an age old rival, but for one moment we truly were one community, one family, one country. Everywhere you looked people of all walks of life in big cities and small towns were either cheering on the streets or in their cars honking their horns like crazy in celebration. The sound was electric, the smiles were radiant, the excitement palpable. It was a moment of unity, of pride, of togetherness and of joy that was shared by all who call our country home and one that no one will ever forget. If this answer is too much of a copout then Burrows slaying the dragon.
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Optimistic season preview from Jeff Paterson.
StanleyCupOneDay replied to Shirotashi's topic in Canucks Talk
I’m pretty surprised this post is coming from someone I disagree with regularly, but I agree. Attack the ideas/opinions, not the people themselves. I sure remember a whole lotta personal elbows thrown at Botchford until he passed away. If we as humanity/society/civilization want a better world to live in we must create it ourselves and it starts with stopping the personal arguments. There’s no point to them other then to try to inflict pain, anger, fear, hate or sadness to another whom you probably know very little about. Why is that necessary to get your views/point across? It isn’t. You can vehemently disagree and refute Patterson without doing that. -
I don’t know exactly why, but it isn’t just tennis where Canadians are emerging at the top. Soccer, athletics, long distance, tennis, nascar, formula 1, golf, basketball, volleyball, rugby, table tennis, badminton, cycling, swimming I’m sure I’m forgetting more, but these are just off the top of my head. When we used to be an afterthought we’re starting to become a top contender in a wide variety of sports over the last 5 years or so. It was once a rarity when you saw a Canadian competing in x sport (except hockey, that’s been our thing forever), but now you see multiple on numerous professional teams. It’s pretty awesome to see.
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Lived in a basement suite and came upstairs regularly to share the kitchen for breakfast/meals with the other people living in the upper part of the two story home. Was eating a bowl of cereal before getting ready for school when Anne came downstairs and told my mom to turn on the tv. Turned it on just after the first plane crashed. Watched multiple people choose to die by jumping rather then in the explosion/fire. Even before the towers fell you just knew you were watching hundreds of people die live right in front of you on screen. Watched in horror until the first building fell. Felt numb, in awe, in shock. By then it was time to leave for school and I remember my mom hesitated whether I should go or not. Went and all day was spent talking about the world tower crashes. Classes weren’t going on normally. People seemed different. Everyone was on edge. At noon the principal/school board/whoever was in charge decided to end school early (I may be wrong, but I believe we had several kids with connections to those on the flights or in the towers). Everything after that is a bit of a blur. I don’t remember if I cried, if my mom and I had a talk, if we watched the news together, or any reaction I felt after leaving school other then relief to be at home. Even as a kid in Canada I still felt I could be in danger. I don’t know why, but I know I wasn’t alone by how everyone was acting that day.
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I see a lot of various concerns about the level of vaccination in our province/country, but I really don’t understand why. Having only 15% of our province completely unvaccinated given the misinformation deluge and the fact this is a disease no one on this planet has ever dealt with before is pretty encouraging imo. That’s the number of people who are willing to get fully vaccinated and it continues increasing meaning we haven’t hit the ceiling yet. That’s good news! Every country/province/community has a percentage of the population that won’t do basic precautionary things that help keep all of us safe like wearing seatbelts or not drinking and driving as just two examples. Heck with the measles, mumps and other diseases we still don’t have 100% vaccination rates. That’s an impossible goal. There’s always going to be people who don’t believe the danger of “insert situation here” or think it won’t effect them. If we get to 90-95% vaccination that will be a remarkable achievement and can be about the best any society anywhere can hope for. Every day we inch closer to that goal and convince more people to get the vaccine. The pandemic and getting vaccinated to protect ourselves, loved ones and communities is probably the biggest mass action mobilization within our country in the last century. We need to put this in proper context. That’s super impressive and though like everything in life we could be doing better I think expectations set too high are bound to disappoint us when they really shouldn’t given the situation we all live in right now. Getting 85% of people to agree on anything is impossible, yet we’ve done it for covid. This is a successful operation in my mind already. I hope to continue seeing the vaccine percentages for first dose and second dose increase with every update. Canada is at 20th in the world for % of population fully vaccinated (and this stat is skewed since children under 12 can’t get the vaccine) and BC levels are even higher then the country’s. We are on the right track to mitigating hospitalizations, deaths and infections in our communities. More need to get the jab to get to herd immunity, but we’re already really close and that’s unambiguously good for us all.
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I have conflicting feelings about these upcoming games, but there’s a couple things I want to shed some light on before deciding what if any actions should be taken. Turning off the TV has zero effect on anything. Tv ratings are done by Nielsen sampling multi-thousands of households. If you haven’t signed up for their panel or have their equipment it won’t show up in the data. We as fans face zero of the consequences of a boycott. It’s the athletes who have worked for years through blood sweat and tears to get into peak condition for the biggest stage that would suffer. For many of these people this one olympics may be their only chance to be able to say “I was an Olympian”. Do we decide to take that dream away from hundreds of some of the best among us? What impact does not having future generations inspired to follow for 8 years have on a sport and how competitive we are? Every athlete has a person they watched as a kid that inspired them to follow the Olympic dream. Sports teach young kids important life skills they can use in the future. This may be the only chance they have to create that spark. If I were on Nielsen’s panel I’d probably not watch in order for my displeasure to be measured and noted, but since I’m not I probably will if it goes ahead. It’s a tough call either way and I can see both sides arguments as compelling. The only thing I can be glad about is that this is the last games for a while where it will be a controversial decision whether we stay or go. Future hosts are all democracies up to 2032. I hope that the IOC continues to reward those who do deserve the potential benefits an olympics host nation can get.
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In 10 days 1.3% of British Columbians got partially protected and 2.2% got fully protected. These numbers will go up further upon the 6 pm update of vaccination numbers. The good news about these anti-vaccine protesters is that they are a very small minority across all political parties (except ppc which has less then 5% support), which helps us move ever closer to fully protecting our communities, province and country. Much different and worse situation in the US. Vaccine hesitancy in Canada and in BC continues to decrease and the shots in arms continues to increase. As of now it’s only 15.7% of people who refuse to get a vaccine in our province. It was 17% on Aug 21st. It will allow the pandemic to become a more and more isolated problem in low vax areas instead of widespread everywhere. It will also cut down on the ability for the virus to mutate and create worse more infective variants like Delta has become. Could be better of course, but we’re doing well overall.
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This is why there’s still a pandemic raging. I spent less then 5 minutes on google search for my own “research” to find a website that confirms my own opinions in which I readily admit to not checking the veracity of the information and yet I still decide to believe it and then make it even worse by sharing with other people. Not only that, but the previous assertions I’ve stated as fact from a prior email among other supposed “trusted” sources that provide such information is suddenly unable to be found and shared or has already been debunked. This exact story right here is playing out all over the world online from forums to Facebook spreading misinformation and disinformation designed to keep us in a perpetual pandemic forever. Yet when someone unvaccinated gets sick with COVID they trust the medical professionals to care for them. Those same professionals who have had to study and research medicine and health for years before getting anywhere close to a patient. Those same professionals who agree that vaccines are safe, save lives, prevent sickness and slow the spread of the disease. Doesn’t it just seem easier to trust those who have dedicated their lives to helping people and do what they say in the first place instead of trusting an unverified source? Which is more likely to lie? The 10 year+ medical studied doctor or whatever information is found online in a google search?
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I can definitely understand then why you feel as you do looking at the same numbers as I. If you live within low vax high covid areas it definitely shifts your thinking about the situation. It’s a scary situation there. Unfortunately the interior like many rural areas has lower vaccination rates and is in the midst of an outbreak. Hopefully the hospital system will hold for you during this 4th wave from all the vaccinations that did take place since the 3rd. I know everything’s already stressed from the ongoing insane wildfire catastrophe, which at the same time is also hurting the fight against covid, so I hope relief comes soon for you guys.
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I feel bad for those in the states, it’s a horrific nightmare especially so in the Republican ones and only getting worse as hospitals fill up with sick children. I’m very thankful your wife and you survived, that must have been an extremely scary time for you both. It’s more proof vaccines work as intended to lessen the number of deaths.
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Now that’s a province which is in for a world of trouble. Especially so with their governments mixed messaging. Alberta and Saskatchewan are by far the worst for both people fully vaccinated 68% and people with one dose 77%. Not only that, but vaccination numbers are dropping badly which suggests a potential upcoming ceiling not high enough for herd immunity. Even Ontario and Quebec have 82% of people vaccinated with 1 dose.
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Yup, the 90%+ is within reach, I wish we were there already, but it’s still possible which is good. I’d guess that’s about the level of herd immunity needed for protection from the much more contagious delta variant.
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You can choose to look at it that way too and that is your choice. Like I said there is definitely more to be done, but there isn’t any country in the world except Gibraltar sniffing 85-90% fully vaccinated. We’re getting closer and the newly vaccinated numbers continue to rise daily aka we have not hit the ceiling for first dose or fully vaccinated yet. That’s good news! There’s no possible way to avoid death and sickness during a pandemic unless every person stays locked down and completely isolated for the entire duration of it. What we have done is vastly limit the amount of pain felt through collective actions as a society. It’s obvious you feel differently then I on how you view the numbers, so agree to disagree.
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While I agree with the majority here on covid precautions and vaccines there’s one thing I’d like to point out that’s been misstated a few times by various different posters. The BC vaccination rate is 74.3% of aged 12 and up fully vaccinated. 83% with 1 dose and that number continues to rise, which while slow and not enough yet is actually higher then Canada’s. That’s very encouraging. Only the Atlantic provinces have better vaccine rates. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-increase-in-b-c-covid-19-cases-prompts-restrictions-in-interior-health We are also as a country 20th in the world ranking for fully vaccinated people (which includes children who can’t get it, so might be even higher with age 12+ vaccination rates). Mini shout out to Gibraltar with 99%+ fully vaccinated! As of this moment only 17% of British Columbians aged 12+ are unwilling to get a vaccine. That number continues to drop with 1st dose rates rising and vaccine resistance (those refusing to get any vaccine) in polling continually shrinking. Honestly for a situation like no one alive has ever faced before getting 83% of anyone anywhere to agree on an action to take is a remarkable achievement. Of course it could be better, but it could also be a hell of a lot worse with elected leaders actively fomenting vaccine hostility in the public *points South of the border* To be real though, we obviously haven’t done enough yet, we need more shots in arms, more people masking and taking precautions. These numbers give me some hope, they point to at least a possibility of achieving herd immunity where mutations and outbreaks are rare. Many other so-called developed countries do not have that chance due to vaccine resistance and are in for a lot more pain and death then we are.
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I’m still reading the thread and I didn’t watch the draft past 9th pick yet. That said with how it worked out up until that point I don’t think we lost anything of significant need in the draft. Only left wing, center and goalies were available by the 9th teams pick. After the top ten (and even within) with covid it’s a really big crapshoot. Only other D in the top 20 projected players was Carson Lambos. We have no need for another center or winger atm and can always pickup a goalie in the later rounds. So that has to factor in, but I’m still processing whether I like the trade overall or not.
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Discussion Next NHL Expansion City
StanleyCupOneDay replied to Iron Fist's topic in General Hockey Discussion
My thoughts on possibilities: Canada: Saskatoon Halifax Quebec City US: Houston or Austin or San Antonio Indianapolis Portland Milwaukee Longshots imo: Albuquerque Kansas City Omaha Salt Lake City Saskatoon might be too small, but Canada’s hockey crazy and Saskatchewan is one of a few big provinces (over 1m people) without one so I’m gonna throw it out there as an off the board pick. The Maritime provinces need a hockey team to cheer for and Halifax makes the most sense for its geographic location. Lots of Canada’s elite players come from the far east of the country, there’s definitely a market for it. Quebec City is an obvious choice after the Winnipeg relocation success and its past history hosting a NHL team. Doesn’t hurt that the Quebec province is quite literally hockey mad. It can easily support two teams. Another Texas team makes a lot of sense after the Dallas Stars settled in nicely. California has 3 teams, Texas should get another given the size and proof that the NHL works there. Indianapolis is a place that I haven’t seen mentioned before. I think it would make a lot of sense and with it being the 16th biggest city in the country it shouldn’t have too much trouble selling tickets and building a fanbase. Hoosiers getting a hockey team would be great. Portland would probably have to wait to see how Seattle does, but given the advance season ticket response from the newest NHL club I think there would be a market for it. Milwaukee is another one I haven’t seen mentioned that would make a lot of sense with Minnesota, Michigan and Illinois all having hockey teams that are doing well. Wisconsin would love to have a NHL team too. I think the other 4 I listed are more unlikely then not. Albuquerque only has 1 hockey team: the NAHL New Mexico Ice Wolves, which just formed a couple years ago. Kansas City could work seeing St. Louis success, but given the previous relocation of KC’s NHL team after it flopped I think it’s probably not something they want to try again. Omaha has a NCAA and USHL team plus a few smaller league ones, but I doubt there’s enough of a market for the NHL. Salt Lake City has an ECHL team and did host the olympics (which is nothing to sneeze at) so I think they’d be the most likely of this group though still a dark horse. Only US cities that could work that I didn’t list would have 0 interest in a NHL team or be unfeasible: Anchorage (would be cool, but travel logistics would be a nightmare/disaster) New Orleans (it’s a swamp, not happening), Virginia Beach (given Carolina struggles seems doubtful a team could succeed here, SE US just isn’t into hockey), Atlanta (already proven to be a failure, twice, obviously not), Louisville (Appalachia is not for hockey) or Oklahoma City (the plains states aren’t interested). Metro areas elsewhere are either too small or already have a team/s in the state. The states for the most part where NHL teams succeed in the US is the west coast, southwest, midwest and north east. The others couldn’t care less. There are exceptions of course, like Nashville and Tampa Bay, but very few. -
Might just be my homer rose coloured glasses on, but I think way too many people here are writing off Schmidt. He’s a fantastic D and will bounce back this year like I suspect most members of our team will. Covid changed and messed with literally every aspect of life both outside and within hockey, especially so for guys brand new to a team. Some have been effected more than others, but all have had unprecedented challenges. Schmidt was almost a .5 PPG D in the Vegas regular season. He was almost a .5 PPG D in the playoffs. Those type of offensive D men who can also defend and perform come the big dance are extremely hard to find. He will show this season why Vegas signed him to $6m per year. We got him for a steal.
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[Rumor] Adam Larsson to test FA
StanleyCupOneDay replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from who we get back in trades it’s that we’re most likely getting a player not even on CDC’s radar. That goes for draft picks and free agent signings too. I’m fairly certain we won’t be picking up Larsson. I’d love him don’t get me wrong, but JB tends to go after players underused and undervalued rather then the big names being discussed as obvious choices on here. -
South Korea like most Asian countries had the past experience of being hit extremely hard by the Spanish Flu and implemented changes in societal behavior that allowed them to better handle the current disease outbreak. Past negative experience creating changes leading to a better outcome the next time. This is how we’ve learned and improved upon our responses during disasters. We don’t have that luxury here. The US is obviously one of those countries I categorize as has handled this worse.
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I think you misread what I wrote. No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale. Absolutely we should listen to the guidance given by disease experts like Fauci, never said anything contrary to that.
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Also a valid point and one I agree with! It’s not hard to put on a mask, wash your hands and try to limit in person contact as much as possible. Beyond that though it’s a grey world. No one agrees on what does and doesn’t help/hurt the disease outbreak because of just how unheard of and complex a crisis this is that we currently face. Ask is x safe and you can find a point of view you support depending on who you get your information from. It’s hard to expect all people to take any crisis seriously, many ignore orders during disaster, but even harder when it’s something that’s completely new to everyone and invisible with no agreed upon guidelines for what is and isn’t safe. I wasn’t really trying to make any particular point with my post other then the fact we all have unrealistic expectations of x (x could be politicians, people, scientists, businesses, health experts, take your pick) while giving context and visual imagery to the current global crisis. Your sentiment is true for every disaster, there’s always room for improvement and again I agree with you we could have done better in this situation. Many more lives could have been saved. It could have been much worse too. Imagine 100% noncompliance in a world where you can get to any country in a day with tens of millions of people traveling at any one time. Hundreds of millions dead, maybe more. I’m grateful for how many people will get a chance to live a full life and saddened for those who unfairly don’t.
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I’m going to re-up what I said a few pages ago because I think people’s perspectives/expectations need adjusting. No one currently breathing on this planet has ever lived through and dealt with a deadly disease outbreak of this scale. Let that sink in for a moment: Billions of people on the planet, none to consult on their expertise. No one has the past lived experience either to say “I remember when x happened, no way I’m not taking precautions this time” or “my aunt died in x by doing this, so we won’t do that.” What we are doing now is the equivalent of trying to put a meteorologist in charge of hurricane preparations and recovery. They have the expertise and the mechanics of how the disaster is created and works/moves, but little in the area of effective management to mitigate the damage caused by it. That’s the best option we have right now, but it’s obviously not a very good one in an ideal scenario. The last time something like COVID-19 occurred was all the way back in 1917 from the Spanish Flu in a society that wasn’t globally intertwined and a far cry from how we live now. In 1917 in the US: - 6% graduated high school - Only 23% could read - No flights existed, travel took days/months by boat - 8% of people had landlines - Getting around day to day was mostly by horse and carriage To name only a few differences. 1/3rd of the world or 500 million people were infected and 50 million were killed globally. As we sit now after almost a year since the original outbreak there’s been 60 million cases and 1.4 million deaths on a planet of 7.5 billion people. That’s a remarkable improvement, hundreds of millions of lives have likely been saved due to our collective actions. In times of crisis it’s about saving as much as possible. Every managed disaster could have been worse and could have been better, there’s no perfect answer when crisis comes, even less of one when it effects the entire world at the exact same time straining the same limited resources. Some managers do a better job then others obviously, but all at least have access to knowledge. Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, droughts, forest fires, blizzards, I could list forever every type of disaster in which we have experienced people to rely upon to investigate/mitigate/manage the problem/s after the threat passes. We currently have a crisis that is the worst of both worlds. The threat isn’t going to pass quickly, it’s long term so we can’t work on recovery, disaster fatigue sets in and we have no one’s experience to lean on for how things should/shouldn’t be managed. We are all flying blind. Even at the best of times during a disaster there’s confusion, mistakes, refusals to adhere to safety precautions and opinions from elected leaders/scientists to the people. Now imagine the disaster effecting the entire planet. Now imagine the threat being invisible. In a social media obsessed society this only exacerbates our problems. Or put another more succinct way have you ever heard of someone who sees a tornado on the ground nearby or hears a tornado warning siren that doesn’t immediately get their families to the basement/shelter to hunker down until the threat passes? That’s easy to do. Would they do that for a whole day? week? month? longer? Most will go outside as time passes regardless of the potential danger. Now imagine asking people to do that for 8 months (and counting) for a threat that no one is able to see. It’s beyond human capacity for our ancestral hardwired brains fight or flight mentality to effectively handle the danger because we can’t do either. Taking the situation all together we’re doing well. Could be better, could be worse, some countries doing worse/better then others, but given the changes to society over the last century, the infection number and death toll speaks to how most leaders/experts/businesses/people across the planet are taking this disease outbreak seriously. The hard truth is people are going to die, people are going to lose their businesses, people are going to lose their jobs, this is the sad inevitable pain felt by people in every disaster. It’s not ok, one life, business and/or job lost is worth mourning. I wish it weren’t the case, but this is the reality. Mistakes will be made, solutions will be created and we will try to limit the damage as much as possible. Expecting anything else given our current unique situation is setting yourself up for disappointment throughout this long term global health epidemic.
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Crisis reveals character, the good, the bad and the ugly.
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There were 200,000 new cases in the US the other day, there’s no way you’re getting front of the line treatment if you’ve travelled there from Canada and get sick, even with a big cheque. Hospitals are already at or near capacity and their leaders are treating this as a partisan issue instead of a health crisis that effects everyone. You couldn’t pay me enough money to go anywhere in the states, why some people not only are wanting to go, but are willing to actually pay in order to do so is beyond me. There better be a mandate for all who go to be in quarantine when/if they come back for at least two weeks or else we’re going to get massive outbreaks here too and I’m not going to lie, this worries me a lot.
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I don’t think there’s enough appreciation/sinking in of the fact that almost no one on this planet has ever lived through what we are experiencing right now. And those few that have were very very young at the time in a completely different local society vs the global one we live in today. We rely on experts with experience from past similar situations to know what to do and what not to do, to guide us through crises, but there are none here to rely upon. We are all flying completely blind here, the political leaders, businesses, experts and the people. You can only expect so much from everyone in these trying and uncertain circumstances. Our leaders (of all political ideologies) across BC and the country at least took this seriously as a problem needing attention to prevent as many deaths as possible. Their actions have been flawed at times, there’s no denying that and I don’t agree with every decision made, but we’ve saved lives by what we’ve done so far. We should be proud of that even though 1 lost life is still a tragedy worth mourning over. I think a big part of the blame for why these decisions even have to be made at this point rest in us as the population though. Not wearing masks when out, not social distancing, still going to parties and eating out, a basic lack of concern of what their actions could mean for anyone’s wellbeing, but themselves (and this spans all generations). Politicians can only do so much when the population doesn’t follow the guidelines put out by them to keep people safe. Which is again though hard to expect more out of people used to leaving their houses and interacting with dozens, hundreds or more, other people daily by everyone under about 108 years old for the last century of life on Earth. As for the school topic, I personally would prefer them being shut down, I think Horgan is wrong on this (and I voted his party), but that would severely impact a large number of families that rely on them being open for economic survival. Businesses have closed and will close. Jobs have been lost and will be lost. Lives have been lost and will be lost. There’s going to be a lot of pain inflicted on a large number of people regardless of the decisions made. Like @janisahockeynut so eloquently said, there’s no easy answers here and for a species that likes to know right from wrong that drives us crazy. My personal belief is to put lives over the economy every time, but I realize in society today that’s not realistic without a universal basic income because you have to pay to live a life. This situation is not going to be measured in months, it will likely be in years. In that time (and I still don’t think we’re getting back to pre-covid normal, but that’s a different topic) we will all make mistakes, lives that could have been saved will be lost, lives that could have been lost will be saved and most of us will try to do the best we can to protect life and still live the only life we’re given. That’s about all we can expect out of people. We are fallible creatures, all of us and I’m just grateful for how many people will now have a chance to live their lives from society’s collective response/actions to this health epidemic.