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What a genius organization. Now they’ve alienated their fanbase and the hockey world for absolutely nothing during a time period the team was on a roll this season. How they didn’t think this would result in massive backlash is just evidence those in charge are the “old boys club”. I truly hope this is the last time a team is this stupid and this poor family has to go through this media circus after Arizona and now Boston.
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No, you didn’t. You’ve turned yourself into a pretzel in your position. You say you believe racist tweets should be restricted, but dismiss the increase in racist tweets under Musk. You say the tweets are just dumb people and it’s impossible to regulate, but don’t acknowledge the change in volume of the racist tweets between before he took over and after. I hope when the racist tweet numbers don’t change in the coming weeks and months that you will follow through on your criticism of Musk not addressing an issue you say you support action on. I don’t get why it’s so hard for someone to just say: yeah he/I did wrong or was mistaken when it comes to someone they like, people aren’t perfect, pointing out flaws doesn’t mean you’ve disowned them over x. It’s like pulling teeth and it’s on an issue you say you support. I just don’t get it.
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Here’s where I have a problem: n-word tweets were restricted before Musk took over. Of course some people still have tweets that slip through the cracks, but the volume of racist tweets increased by something like 500% after Musk bought twitter. Doesn’t that at least suggest to you that either they are no longer being restricted or that the new owner is doing a poor job restricting these tweets in comparison to the previous owners? Why are you incapable of criticizing Musk on an issue you agree with me on? That doesn’t have mean you suddenly hate the guy or disagree with what he says he’s trying to do. Did you read any of the articles I’ve posted?
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Good grief, are you seriously equalizing the murders of people in olden times to being the same as a kid not getting the privilege to play hockey professionally? Get a grip. Every single athlete with “pitchforks” after them have and do deserve it. So does Mitchell Miller. If you believe that no act any human being does to another is worthy of “canceling” or in this case losing the right to play a professional sport (which come off it, no one’s saying he can’t have a job and a life to live) then I think I’m done with this conversation. Not once in this thread have you commented on or empathized with the victim. Not once have you criticized Miller, instead defending him as being worthy of a second chance despite him showing no remorse or taking zero actions to become a better person. I pray to god that if your child ever goes through this horror you will instead be as supportive of them and angry as the victim’s family and not tell your child to their face that their bullying tormenter for many years deserves the privilege to play a sports game after mentally scarring and ruining your own kid’s life and maybe future. You may profess to want to have more empathy in the world, but for some reason you only want to empathize with the bully and not the victim. That right there is actually what’s wrong with society: not empathizing with and supporting those who are vulnerable and unable to stand up and defend themselves. You want a better world? Start there.
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I think you’ve misunderstood when this happened and at what ages. Mitchell bullied this kid until 2018. He started the bullying in grade 8 at 12 or 13 years old. He continued until at least 18 years old. If Miller was doing this at the age you described I would be a lot more sympathetic to forgiveness due to the fact of it being a young kid who didn’t know any better. He may still not have gotten good parenting or good guidance from those around him, but he certainly wasn’t at an age where you can give him the benefit of the doubt as a child which is why he was convicted in juvenile court.
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I was with you up until here. They are the ones who have been wronged. Asking why a victim’s parents didn’t know about it is blaming them and also assuming something we don’t actually know. They never should have been in that position in the first place. Miller put them in that situation. He is the one who should be asked why he didn’t stop bullying that poor kid. It is very sad indeed, that I agree with you on.
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Now you’re contradicting yourself. You just said racism shouldn’t be allowed and now you dismiss Musk’s decision not to enforce the previous Twitter policies about racist speech as a non story. Either you support restrictions on racist speech being enforced on social media or you don’t. I can see this point of view if Musk reacted and fixed the problem, but he hasn’t. This still hasn’t been resolved. If a problem hasn’t been resolved that means they don’t care. If they don’t care, going by your own admission you should be upset and critical of Musk. Unless and until he actually deals with the problem then that should be the default position. It’s possible to be supportive of someone or what they’re trying to do and still be critical of things they do wrong. https://pridepublishinggroup.com/2022/11/04/twitter-bombarded-with-anti-black-tweets-under-elon-musks-ownership/
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I don’t understand this tendency when trying to defend one’s position to point to someone or something else. Does it effect this current situation at all? No, but it is a whataboutism and deflection in order to try to lessen the impact of criticism of a persons opinion. This one’s real easy, just like with any other incident or person you bring up to me: No it’s not ok. Two wrongs never make a right. He was wrong to do so, his apology was insincere and forced and he shouldn’t be allowed to play again unless he has shown through actions (words don’t count) that he is remorseful and working hard to educate himself and become a better person. That is the only time someone should be deserving of a second chance. That fact goes for any professional athlete in any league who has done/or said racist, bullying or bigoted things or actions that you or anyone else points to. It’s not the gotcha question I think you believe it is. Now to get back on subject do you believe the victim’s family or not?
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Well then I’m glad you and I are on the same page and we both are upset Musk is not restricting racist tweets. Racist tweets quickly surface after Musk closes Twitter deal Anonymous Twitter accounts celebrated Musk’s takeover and argued it meant the old rules against bigotry no longer applied https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/28/musk-twitter-racist-posts/
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Do you believe free speech means you can call other people n-words on social media? Yes or no? I don’t give a flying f if someone wants to praise Trump as the messiah. I don’t care if people want to publicly support people who are awful human beings. I’m also not a supporter of totality of free speech and believe there should be some restrictions, so I’m not being hypocritical in my beliefs like some of those who are supportive, but don’t care one iota that Dems (those they oppose) are having followers restricted while R’s (those they support) are unrestricted. Be consistent in your position if you support free speech absolutism.
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Exactly. The people so supportive of the “free speech” angle of Musk’s Twitter takeover only care when it’s speech they support being allowed because it matches their political beliefs. They don’t care or see any hypocrisy if “free speech” is limited only for those they disagree with. It’s a completely disingenuous argument and they know it.
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Do you believe the bullied kid’s family or think they are lying? It’s one or the other because if you read their earlier story and statement you’d have a very clear answer opposite the one you currently think. He hasn’t taken any of the proper steps to improve himself or learn from it unless you believe his agent and Miller’s words backed up with zero actions over the family whose kid was and likely is traumatized for the rest of their life. I’m choosing to believe the victim and not the perpetrator. Talk is cheap. Anyone can say anything, but not anyone actually means what they say. - He continued bullying him physically and emotionally for nearly a decade, as recently as 2018. - He didn’t apologize until the Bruins management said it was required for a signing. - In his public apology he still refers to his despicable actions over many years as the incident. - His only apology to the family was in an instantly deleted Snapchat message. - He hasn’t met with or apologized directly in person to the family and trauma ridden kid. - The Coyotes who drafted him asked him to apologize and he refused. - He was convicted in juvenile court and an apology was ordered by the court. - The judge William Hutchenson, the juvenile magistrate in the case, even said to Miller, “I don’t have a sense of real remorse. But I do feel that you feel sorry for yourself.” At some point you have to be able to know the difference between true remorse and worth of a second chance and someone doing so only in order to benefit themselves that doesn’t actually mean anything they say. There’s such a thing as pr bs when someone or some company has been caught doing wrong. Or maybe I guess you believe everything everyone says, yet oddly don’t believe the family of the victim. Meanwhile the victim continues to face mental trauma every time this happens furthering the damage Miller caused. How about you and everyone else so willing to give the kid another chance do two things: 1) ask yourself if all of the above happened to your child what you would feel instead of it being a black disabled one you can easily detach yourself from and 2) read the family’s latest statement that just came out and decide who in this case is worth believing and supporting. Bruins’ Mitchell Miller signing ‘stunned’ bullying victim’s family — mother says son ‘not doing well’ after the news https://theathletic.com/3766096/2022/11/06/mitchell-miller-bruins-bullying-victim/?amp=1 “It’s sad in that Mitchell and his family think his career trumps being a good person? That’s kind of the message the Bruins are sending out too — that talent trumps what you do,” said Meyer-Crothers. “I can’t say it enough. We want Mitchell to get the help that he needs. Because he needs help, too. So we’re not against that, at all. But it’s a privilege to play hockey. Maybe he should have been rehabilitated, and then re-focused and re-looked at to play hockey after he truly was rehabilitated and understood the magnitude of what he’s done to our son.” “Every time this is brought up, it puts him right back to where he was,” said Meyer-Crothers of her adopted son. “To sit at the table with Mitchell in seventh grade, he had to say he was his N-word, or he had to sit by himself at the lunch room. It’s all this stuff that keeps replaying in his mind all the time. That he’s not of value. That his life doesn’t matter. He was told his Black mom and dad didn’t love him; that’s why he has White parents. Imagine the identity problems that Isaiah’s dealing with. “He was already behind the eight-ball because he had fetal alcohol syndrome and drug exposure. So cognitively, he’s already behind. Then you’re adding this stuff on to a kid that just wants to have friends. Because he already knows he’s not functioning like the other kids. He was tormented. That’s where I’m struggling.” “This has been something every time when Mitchell turns around and tries to get on to another hockey team,” Crothers said. “Last year, it was his USHL team. Being drafted by Arizona. Every time this comes up, everybody reaches out to us and to him. This is like the third or fourth time we’ve been through this circus, all over the same situation. Every time, Mitchell has chosen never to reach out and apologize. “The only time he sought Isaiah out to apologize to him was about a week and a half ago when Boston told him, ‘We’re not signing you unless you apologize.’ So then he decided, ‘Hey, I better get ahold of Isaiah and apologize.’ At that point, he was sorry, but it wasn’t hockey-related. He told Isaiah specifically that he was sorry, that this was not hockey-related, he just really wanted to help kids in a similar situation. That’s why he was reaching out. He tried to sit down with Isaiah and tell him he was sorry, but it was all because of this, because of being signed by Boston. It was about hockey. It wasn’t about kids. It wasn’t about being sorry. It was about his hockey. So it’s empty.” “The biggest thing people need to know is it’s not a one-time thing,” Meyer-Crothers said. “It was years and years and years of abuse and torment. Our son is an emotional mess at the hands of Mitchell. I’m so thankful the organization wants to help Mitchell. But you’re forgetting that there’s a victim that is traumatized for the rest of his life. What are we doing for him? Because he doesn’t have a hockey talent, his life isn’t as significant? That’s how we kind of feel. “They keep using the word mistake. He made a ‘mistake’ when he was 14. My problem with Sweeney and with Mitchell is, let’s call it what it was. It was years of abuse. It wasn’t one time. A mistake is maybe something stupid. But what he did really is a lot more. It was premeditated.” “Isaiah is just victimized over and over again because Mitchell’s a good hockey player,” she said. “So it’s like you don’t have to show that you’ve grown and you’re remorseful because you’re a good hockey player, so that trumps everything Isaiah’s went through. So it minimizes what Isaiah’s went through and makes him feel like he went through everything in vain. That his life doesn’t matter. And his life does matter. His life matters significantly.”
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All I’m going to say is those in the thread willing to give him a second chance needs to look into how long the bullying went on because it continued until at least 2018. Just a tiny little bit past the whole 8th grade. Needs to look into how he made the kid eat candy after it was dunked in urinal piss. Needs to look into how he’s bullying a mentally disabled person (what kind of human does that? Seriously). Needs to look into how he hasn’t actually apologized (no a Snapchat message that disappears doesn’t count). Needs to look into how his statement still minimizes his actions (no it wasn’t just the candy incident). I did stupid shit at that age too, I think we all did, but I can count on one hand the number of students out of tens of thousands that ever bullied a disabled kid. It takes a seriously messed up individual to ever do anything like this. Then they all need to ask themselves what they’d feel and if they’d be forgiving if your son or daughter was in the place of that poor kid and received all the emotional and physical abuse for years creating immense mental trauma because of it. Would you still give him a second chance? Or would you be hair on fire angry this guy now might have a hockey career while your child is dealing with the repercussions of this unapologetic dirtbag? I think you might have a very different answer then. EDIT: I’m going to add in, I’m very glad many of those people who wanted to give him a second chance have now realized their mistake after learning more about the totality of the situation. Being able to change one’s mind and recognizing an error they made after new information shows maturity and emphasizes skills that are sadly lacking in many others. It shows we’re growing as a species, individuals, society and as a fanbase for a sport we love. Some things are more important then hockey. Serious kudos and accolades to those who have done so (you know who you are).
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StanleyCupOneDay replied to Ghostsof1915's topic in Canucks Talk
Definitely getting closer after that performance. -
Getting closer and closer to just wanting to blow up the team. How on earth after a 1st period like that and after Kevin Bieksa’s speech can you just lose it all after you had the game in your hand. This is Travis Green team hockey, playing not to lose. Starting to think maybe it wasn’t him that was the problem. Oh well, this is the year to fail if ever there was one, so there’s a light at the end of the tunnel at least. So freaking painful being a Canucks fan.
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There’s a reason basically every NHL team was interested in and wanted to get Kuzmenko. Very happy the Canucks got him.
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StanleyCupOneDay replied to Ghostsof1915's topic in Canucks Talk
That’s so bizarre. I’ve never had that happen once to me. I do tend to err on the side of caution as those games that might involve Canada that say “teams tbd” I set to record all of them just in case. It’s a bit annoying, but I don’t record any other tv shows so I always have lots of room on the pvr to do that. It is way too slow for program title changes on games like that, but I’ve never had a game rescheduled (since all sports seasons are mapped out months in advance) unless it’s for something out of their control like weather problems. -
[PGT] Anaheim Ducks at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 03, 2022
StanleyCupOneDay replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Hopefully this becomes a regular occurrence and not just a one-off Bieksa high, it’s what’s needed to build a successful culture and team. -
[PGT] Anaheim Ducks at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 03, 2022
StanleyCupOneDay replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Miller is way better suited as a winger. Every time he’s put on the wing he starts to go on a scoring tear. We’ve got enough C’s now to not need him as one. Keep him on the wing where he’s more comfortable and can play his game. -
[PGT] Anaheim Ducks at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 03, 2022
StanleyCupOneDay replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
If you think Horvat’s production is anything other then expected you haven’t been paying attention to his career. He’s not suddenly having a massive unexpected spike in production in a contract year. Every season he goes through hot streaks that look like his start right now for 15-20 games. The fact this notion is so widely believed on here and compared to Miller is bizarre. It’s also untrue. Horvat is not Miller. 583 games played, 379 points .650 PPG. FO 53.7% TOI 18:22 2014-2015 68 games played, 25 points .367 PPG. FO 51.6% TOI 12:16 2015-2016 82 games played, 40 points .488 PPG. FO 50.9% TOI 17:08 2016-2017 81 games played 52 points .642 PPG. FO 50.5% TOI 18:02 2017-2018 64 games played, 44 points .689 PPG. FO 53.8% TOI 19:21 2018-2019 82 games played, 61 points .744 PPG. FO 53.7% TOI 20:50 2019-2020 69 games played, 53 points .768 PPG. FO 57.3% TOI 19:44 2020-2021 56 games played, 39 points .696 PPG. FO 52.9% TOI 19:53 2021-2022 70 games played, 52 points .743 PPG. FO 57% TOI 19:31 2022-2023 so far 11 games played, 13 points 1.18 PPG. FO 59.6% TOI 20:16 It’s worth keeping in mind Miller, since he’s been a Canuck has averaged a 1.067 PPG average. So even setting aside this false equivalence between Bo and Miller, is another Miller who doesn’t have his defensive liabilities really such a bad thing? Is a .7-.8 PPG average at worst with good faceoff numbers really not worth 7-8m in today’s NHL? We can debate whether re-signing Horvat is a good idea or not due to our current tight cap predicament, but not whether he has enough production to warrant the contract and we certainly don’t need to worry his points totals will dramatically drop off after this year anytime soon. Horvat has been nothing, but consistent in whatever role he’s been put in on this team. -
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StanleyCupOneDay replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Something we don’t talk about much (and we can debate endlessly over quality), but we have a lot of D-men when healthy. If you’re of the opinion (as I am) that competition brings out the best in players fighting for a roster spot, that can only be beneficial to our squad. If we fail this season though like every year there’s going to be a lot of playoff bound teams looking for defence depth that we could cash in on at TDL that are desperate. D-men always command a premium and are always sought after by teams heading to the post season, even for those guys who seemingly have low value/interest. Here’s our backend that have played in the NHL for us so far this year in no particular order: Rathbone Burroughs Hughes Myers Poolman Stillman Bear Brisebois OEL Schenn Dermott Juulsen We only have 6 roster spots available, so many of these guys are expendable. You also have Kalynuk and Wolanin putting up points in Abbotsford with NHL experience.