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Patel Bure

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  1. I think Petey and Brock just need new systems to be honest. Even if Petey isn't the guy that we thought he was going to be, if we can tank this year and land either Shane Wright or Conor Geekie, we could then put Petey either on one of their wings, or just have him anchor a 2nd line in the future. Getting back to my main point of this thread though, if you and I are NHL players who are UFA's in 2022, and we analyze the Canucks as a viable long term option and see the following pieces: -Shane Wright or Conor Geekie -Braden Schneider -Anton Lundell -Pettersson -Hughes -Garland -Boeser -Demko -Podkolzin -Hoglander Coach = Julien/Babock/Budreau I would feel confident about the newfound infrastructure (i.e. No Green, No Benning) + the promising young core that would still have some decent vets (OEL).
  2. I hear what you're saying about Boeser, but signing Boeser at 7.5 million for 5-8 years does a few things: 1) It goes a long way in making sure that Petey resigns with us long term. 2) We show faith in Boeser. 3) We take a calculated risk in committing to Boeser, while making the assumption that our flawed system (Green) was more at fault rather than a mysterious decline on Boeser's part.
  3. You NEVER give up on the franchise. The day you give up on the franchise, you shut off the TV and find a new hobby. Now, the owners in charge however, can change the strategy. In the Canucks' case, both Horvat and Miller should be traded immediately so that...... 1) We can acquire elite prospects (Braden Schneider and Anton Lundell come to mind for me, but there are obviously many others out there). 2) We can tank this season and land Shane Wright, Conor Geekie, or whomever. 3) We can replace both Benning and Green. Julien/Budreau/Babcock replaces Green + maybe Mike Gillis is rehired as GM. 4) On July 1st 2022, UFA's will look at our team and see it as a team with an extremely bright future built on a new foundation. ps - If any player gives up on the franchise, you ship him or "her" out immediately.
  4. They can add in a piece(s) to make it work (i.e. cap dumps, or bloated contracts that have one year left). At minimum, I'm assuming that people know that I don't literally mean "one for one" deals. Obviously, teams like NYR, Florida, and whomever would have to send us a cap dump in order for "Horvat/Miller for prospect" deals to work.
  5. CORE: Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander, and Podkolzin. VETS: OEL, Myers, Poolman, and Pearson Young guys to join us: Dipietro, Klimovich, Lundell, Wright/Geekie, and Schneider would be added to this core.
  6. I don't know what constitutes fair value. Maybe Lundell for Miller one for one. Pretend that I said that and please comment on the rest of my post. ps - I edited out the first so the OP now reads, "Miller for Lundell."
  7. [proposal] An aggressive “re-tool” that actually expedites the process of us becoming good? This thread isn’t designed to debate as to whether we should keep or trade ‘x’ player. There are plenty of other threads for that. This thread was created to show how the Canucks can possibly “aggressively retool” starting now and still be able to field a competitive team as early as next season. So let’s get started. 1) Can we all agree that both Horvat and Miller are capable to landing us a 1st round pick AND/OR an elite prospect? If so, let’s just say that Horvat and Miller can land us the following. A) Horvat lands us Braden Schneider B-) Miller lands us Anton Lundell Again, these are just conservative estimates. Perhaps the Canucks can land another 1st from the above. 2) With the loss of both Horvat and Miller from this season, the Canucks completely tank and finish at or near the bottom......which puts us in the Shane Wright sweepstakes. To be conservative however, let’s pretend that we don’t land Shane Wright and instead, end up drafting a guy like Conor Geekie. 3) At the end of the season, the Canucks fire Jim Benning and also hire, or have already hired, a proven winning coach (interim = Brad Shaw; end of season hire = Claude Julien, Bruce Beaudreau, or Mike Babcock). 4) We sign and extend Brock to a 7.5 million x 8 year deal (let us not debate as to whether this is a good move or not......but my line not thinking here is that if we can extend Brock long term, it could convince Petey to sign with us long term as well). 5) Now here is where the fun starts. Pretend that you are one of the UFA’s in 2022 and you’re looking for your next long term opportunity.......and you and your agent decide to assess the Canucks from both a short term and long term perspective: Long term Canucks team (2023-2024?) Podkolzin-Pettersson-Garland Hoglander-Geekie-Boeser #####-Lundell-Klimovich ####-####-Lockwood Hughes-Schneider OEL-Myers Rathbone-Poolman Demko Dipietro Coach = Julien/Beaudreau/Babcock GM = not Benning You, as a 2022 UFA, look at this team and say to yourself, “wow - Id better wear some shades because the future of this team looks really bright. They’re going to be really effing good pretty soon and I want to be a part of that ride.” I guess the point I’m trying to make here is that if we move Horvat and Miller now, and follow the above template, this team could actually be pretty “desirable looking” from a UFA perspective as early as July 1st 2022......especially if we land Shane Wright instead of Conor Geekie.
  8. You expect Petey or Brock to score? LOL. That's a good one.
  9. 5-0 Penguins. All the goals come within the first 25 minutes of the game, and the Pens sit back the rest of the 35 minutes. Sorry boys but I've completely lost faith.
  10. Changing the captain would be extremely ill advised and would only create a bigger rift in the lockerroom (if that is infact what is going on). Keep Horvat as captain unless you are trading him. Since our beloved Canucks are not functioning properly, I would start with firing Green.
  11. 1) Forget about my Arizona deal. 2) Tkachuk might be a dirty player and a good, but he achieves on ice results. Can the same be said about Petey and Boeser right now? Furthermore, the presence of Tkachuk, alongside Miller and Horvat, would likely make size as one this teams’ strengths. 3) Monahan would basically be our/their version of Boeser, but he can play center. In Calgary, Monahan is getting 3rd line minutes but is still producing at the same clip as Petey.
  12. On the HFBoards, they’ve got a Tkachuk for Pettersson thread going on their T&R section. If you add in Boeser and Monahan to that, I think you’ll have a pretty decent deal. Tkachuk would add to our grit up front and would definitely help us score some goals (unlike Petey and Boeser), while Monahan could anchor our 3rd line and move Dickinson to a more natural winged position. The Canucks would get significantly bigger with this deal. Tkachuk-Horvat-Hoglander Podkolzin-Miller-Garland Pearson-Monahan-Dickinson
  13. Solid proposal EP. I especially like how this trade would help us both short and long term. One issue that I have with it however is that Eller is already 32 years old. Canucks should probably be a bit more aggressive in terms of bringing in guys that can help them in the future.
  14. All good points. My line of thinking was that both Horvat and Miller could not only help us recoup the firsts (or elite prospects) lost in the original Miller, Toffoli, and OEL deals, but would also put us in the running for Shane Wright. If we don’t get Shane Wright, a guy like Connor Geekie could be that Horvat replacement. Let’s pretend that..... 1) Horvat gets you Braden Schneider and Filip Chytl from NYR. 2) Miller gets you Noah Dobson (or some other elite prospect/young player from another team). 3) The Canucks, now being at or close to the bottom of the league this season, are able to draft Shane Wright or Connor Geekie (Horvat replacement) in the draft. Canucks future core: -Pettersson -Hughes -Dobson -Boeser -Demko -Schneider -Chytl -Podkolzin -Hoglander -Wright or Geekie -Klimovich -Rathbone Now all of a sudden, the Canucks would have a ton in their pipeline. If Pettersson doesn’t want to be here after all that? Great! We do what Ottawa did with Mark Stone and move him for more picks and prospects via sign and trade. In a hypothetical situation where Hughes were to leave us in 6 years, we should still have a deep roster at that time.
  15. These constant Miller proposals are making me feel like I’m about to put my dog down. :-(
  16. I also want more Miller’s provided that they stay with us beyond July 1st 2023. Trust me.
  17. Agreed that Horvat is a must have, but it’s a massive loss for the Canucks if he walks away on July 1st 2023 and we have nothing to show for it.
  18. Thanks man. Just sad. I would love it if we got a guarantee that Bo and Miller would want to be here beyond July 1st 2023 but I can’t see either guy staying here honestly. It sucks, but with all these rumors of lockerroom dissension + the #FireBenning chants in the crowds continuing to gain steam, I am of the opinion that this team has terminal illness. :-/. I would absolutely love it if we rattled off 7-8 wins in a row to get back into the conversation, but can you see it happening?
  19. We take cap coming back + 1sts and elite prospects in my hypothetical. Get Chytl and Schneider out of NYR and Dobson out of NYI.
  20. You’re giving me the urge to log on to oilfans.com and troll them. :-p. To Edmonton -Pettersson -Horvat -Myers To Vancouver -McDavid -Draisaitl -Future considerations
  21. Quinn Hughes has been pretty good this season.
  22. Trust me, I don’t want a “perpetual rebuild.” I want this team to win now but i am also a pragmatist. This season was supposed to be our coming out party, and it’s been anything but. The way things are headed right now, not only will the Canucks not make the playoffs these next two seasons, but the situation amongst fans and the lockerroom itself will continue to get toxic. If you were Horvat and Miller, would YOU sign with the Canucks on July 1st 2023? If not, then the Canucks should sell high on both players. Chytl, Schneider, and Dobson would be fantastic. As far as two way centers go to replace Horvat, maybe we find something on the open market.
  23. Demko will still be in his prime even once his contract expires in Vancouver.
  24. Hughes is signed for 6 more years at a reasonable cap hit. Dipietro = potentially solid back up at a low cost. Possibly takes over from Demko if Demko leaves in 4-5 years.
  25. We should sarcastically offer the Wild Lammiko for Erikss0nEk + Guerin’s wife.
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