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Building Optimal 21-22 Roster through Analytics
Patel Bure replied to nuckfanfromafrica's topic in Canucks Talk
I would switch Garland and Boeser around since a line of Hoglander and Garland playing together would be quite small. Great analysis though! -
Predictions for Canucks opening night lineup
Patel Bure replied to Beary Sweet's topic in Canucks Talk
Actually, the thought process behind those lines combos is that any of those lines could be used as a #1. My line of thinking was the Canucks were 8-3-2 post Petey injury and pre Covid outbreak, and so why fix the wheel if it ain’t broke? Keep Hoglander-Miller-Boeser together, and keep Horvat/Pearson together. With Dickinson acting as the defensive, physical, and face-off conscience for Pettersson (Miller’s old role), what better way to bring Podkolzin up to speed by playing him with Pettersson right from the get go? It would be an absolute match ups nightmare for opposing teams. No matter what the Canucks do up front however, they will be very solid up there. -
[Discussion] Would you consider this?
Patel Bure replied to cowboy644's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
I would trade Quinn Hughes to Winnipeg so that he takes up Nate Schmidt’s PP and offensive deployment time. :-p -
Predictions for Canucks opening night lineup
Patel Bure replied to Beary Sweet's topic in Canucks Talk
Juolevi makes team: Miller-Pettersson-Garland Hoglander-Horvat-Boeser Pearson-Dickinson-Podkolzin Motte-Sutter-Highmore MacEwen OEL-Hamonic Hughes-Poolman Juolevi-Myers Schenn Demko Halak ___________________________________ 3-line Pronged attack: Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Dickinson-Pettersson-Podkolzin Pearson-Horvat-Garland Motte-Sutter-Highmore OEL-Hamonic Hughes-Poolman Juolevi-Myers Demko Halak ____________________________________ -
[DEBATE] Which #88 in their prime are you taking?
Patel Bure replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Lindros was a dickhead but he was one of the greatest players of all time at his peak. Forsberg as well. -
[proposal] Van-Stl Gamble! Gamble!
Patel Bure replied to KnuckleHead16's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
I’d very strongly consider this to be honest. -
I don’t always want to trade our best players. Just like to verbalize outloud a lot of times (much to the chagrin of many) and ponders Devils advocate positions. As far as Dahlin goes, I stand by my comments. “The Buffalo factor”, in terms of ruining developments of players, is a real thing, just as it was a real thing in Edmonton from 2006-2015. #LosingCulture. Getting back to Dahlin, there’s a reason why people were calling him “The Connor McDavid of defensemen” or “Brian Leetch on steroids” during his draft year......or why he was being called a ‘generational talent.’ Dahlin is supposed to be as good in his own end as he is on the offensive side of things. Whether he can still be that guy is a different issue entirely (ie has Buffalo ruined him beyond repair?), but you can’t deny the guy’s talent. You seemed to have missed the part of my post where I said that I probably wouldn’t make this deal (a few posts up), but perhaps you only read the first post and not the thread.
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[DEBATE] Which #88 in their prime are you taking?
Patel Bure replied to Elias Pettersson's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Lindros no contest. He was the best player on the planet and one of the greatest of all-time for a brief stretch there. Prime Lindros was up there with the Crosby’s, McDavid’s, etc., even if it was for a few years. Pat Kane and Vasilevsky are tremendous talents but they’ve never been head and shoulders the best player in the world like Lindros was from around 95-97. -
Predictions for Canucks opening night lineup
Patel Bure replied to Beary Sweet's topic in Canucks Talk
My prediction is that Juolevi will make the team unless 1) Juolevi stinks it up at camp, AND/OR 2) Rathbone absolutely kills it in camp and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's already a top 4 calibre dman.. Given that Juolevi won't be able to bounce back and forth between the AHL and NHL without requiring waivers, I think Rathbone will be the one to start in the AHL. In the AHL, Rathbone will be able to log big minutes and grow accustomed to being 'the alpha' on the team. Also - I know the Canucks won't do the lines below, but what if they went with a pure balanced line-up? Before the covid outbreak, the Canucks went 8-3-2 with Hoglander-Miller-Boeser as their top line (during the Pettersson injury). What if they just kept things like that? Dickinson then becomes the gritty and defensive conscience on the Petey line. Speaking of Petey, what better way to get Podkolzin up to speed than to play him with an elite centerman right from the get go? Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Dickinson-Pettersson-Podkolzin Pearson-Horvat-Garland Motte-Sutter-Highmore OEL-Hamonic Hughes-Poolman Juolevi-Myers -
(Prediction) Under Brad Shaw Poolman will be better than Tanev
Patel Bure replied to Arrow 1983's topic in Canucks Talk
I really hope you're right but I will respectfully have to disagree based on what I've seen of Poolman. To me, Poolman is a very good 3rd pairing defenseman. I will be more than happy to congratulate you however if you end up being right. Love where your optimism is at but I'm just not seeing it. -
I don't think I'd trade for Eichel (we don't know how he'll perform after the surgery + doesn't really seem like a "team guy" as evidenced by his bickering with the Sabres + rumours of him and Ryan O'Reilly not really getting along due to both players wanting to be the 'alpha' of the team), but the Dahlin idea intrigues me a lot. Vancouver gives New Jersey: Hughes New Jersey gives Buffalo: Ty Smith + 1st Buffalo gives Vancouver: Dahlin While Dahlin has struggled in Buffalo largely due to Krueger likely not being an NHL calibre coach, make no mistake about it: Dahlin, at full potential, absolutely blows Makar, Heiskanen, Quinn Hughes, and other young defensemen from this age category, out of the waters. There's a reason why Dahlin was being touted as a generational defenseman and "the Connor McDavid of defenseman" back in 2018. Unlike Hughes and Makar, Dahlin brings it at both ends of the rink *at full potential.* I'd be willing to take a risk with Dahlin here in terms of buying (relatively) low. With OEL and Brad Shaw here, Dahlin could quickly get up to speed and receive the necessary coaching and mentoring that has clearly been missing in Buffalo. I don't know if I'd pull the trigger on this deal if it was offered (i.e. Will Dahlin be able to get up to speed quite quickly or will he struggle for quite some time due to the damage that was done in Buffalo), but the deal does intrigue me. At some point, I also wonder if Hughes will want to eventually join his brothers in NJ. Might only be a matter of time?
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In terms of getting beyond that first round fodder level, the only solution that I have to offer is finding a way to get Tyler Myers off the books and putting that money to more efficient use. People might think that I'm not a Tyler Myers fan but this is not entirely true. I think Myers is a #4 calibre d-man that should be earning around 4 million dollars. Asking Myers to play on a top pairing with OEL or Hughes is asking for trouble. Asking Hamonic or Poolman to play on the top pair is also asking for trouble. People might not like this suggestion, but a future move of using Rathbone or Juolevi (who hopefully increases his value this season) as a sweetener to move Tyler Myers in a 'hockey deal' of some kind might be our best move. With that freed up cap space, the Canucks then take a run at Colton Parayko or John Klingberg in the 2022 off season. If neither of those guys are available, go after Josh Manson and/or Connor Murphy + possibly adding to the forward group if it makes sense from a long term cap perspective.
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Don't get me wrong VH, you and I are in full agreement on this one. The Canucks' biggest need right now is a younger version of Alex Edler and/or a Chris Tanev type guy that can take on the toughest match-ups at the top pairing level. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but OEL does not strike me as that guy. To me, he's more of an offensive defenseman that needs that stay-at-home presence to cover him. On the right side, guys like Schenn, Poolman, and Hamonic aren't guys that you want taking on opposing top lines in a shut down role. Upon analyzing our current team and the way its figured, I am of the belief that we are a hybrid of last year's version of Edmonton (very strong offense + suspect D), and Winnipeg in a best case scenario (very strong offense + very good goaltending + suspect D). I see us being a 1st round fodder team that *maybe* gets lucky and makes the 2nd round. While this is a step up from what we've generally seen since 2014, my biggest concern now is that we won't be able to take the next step in our development given the way our cap is configured. Any contracts that come off the books will need to be applied to Horvat and our other RFA's. The way I see it, generally speaking, 2022-23: Freed up Luongo cap recapture money will go towards Holtby and Virtanen buyout (600K net savings) + other minor downgrades will be needed to qualify Brock Boeser. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2023-24: Ferland money will be equally distributed to Horvat and Miller who will need to be re-upped. Freed-up Holtby and Virtanen buy-out money will go towards Hoglander. Perhaps a returning Nikita Tryamkin will replace Travis Hamonic. Little to no cap space to get external help. 2024-2025: The Canucks will have lots of cap space here as both Pearson and Myers come off the books, but a lot of this money will likely have to go towards Podkzolin and Hughes (my guess is that Pettersson will sign a 6-8 year deal in the coming weeks while Hughes will sign a bridge that will expire around 2024-2025). So, that's where I'm kind of at with this team right now. While I'm excited over the fact that we'll likely be a playoff team these next 3-4 years, I'm just not sure if I see us progressing beyond this level given the way our long term cap is configured. It could be another four years or so before the Canucks get to the 2nd round+++ level that we are seeing with those Colorado, Vegas, NYI, Carolina, Boston, and Tampa Bay teams.
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[discussion] Time to trade Oli Jouveli?
Patel Bure replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Probably better to have OJ up here then and have Rathbone go and dominate the AHL. Injuries are inevitable and so it’s not like Rathbone would be getting deprived of NHL ice time anyways. On the flip side, Rathbone can log big minutes in the AHL and expedite his development. -
[discussion] Time to trade Oli Jouveli?
Patel Bure replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Oh ok I see. Wasn’t aware of that two way/waiver deal. What about Rathbone? Would he require waivers? -
[discussion] Time to trade Oli Jouveli?
Patel Bure replied to Bertuzzipunch's topic in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
Sign OJ to a two way contract and have him dominate the AHL if he’s down there.....and call him up when there are injuries. Let OJ increase his value and then make a decision on him at a later date. Maybe OJ beats out Rathbone for the final spot. Take a wait and see approach with this situation, let all parties develop and increase their values, and then make a decision afterwards. -
Yep, you nailed it. To add to this, Garland is pretty much the equivalent of a 9OA anyways (if his play in Arizona was of any indication). Look at it from another perspective. In a redraft, where do our draft picks go: 2013: Horvat = 5th overall pick 2014: Demko = Top 15 1st round pick. Virtanen = 4th round pick. 2015: Boeser = Top 10 1st round pick 2016: Juolevi = 3rd round pick. 2017: Pettersson = 2nd overall pick; Jack Rathbone = 1st round pick 2018: Hughes = Top 3 overall pick 2019: Podkolzin = Top 7 overall pick. Hoglander = 1st round pick So again - my advice to Donny and Dhaliwal would be to 1) Quit trolling in order to boost their ratings. 2) Consider the other side of the coin.
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What Donnie and Dhaliwal are failing to take into account is that many of our picks and prospects have converted to the NHL at a more efficient level than most other teams.....and this hasn’t just been first round picks by the way: xxx-Pettersson-Boeser Hoglander-Horvat-xxx xxx-xxx-Podkolzin xxx-xxx-xxx xxx xxx-xxx Hughes-xxx Rathbone-xxx Juolevi Demko xxx -Miller and Garland were brought with two 1st rounders. -Motte was brought in via a 3rd rounder -Pearson was basically brought in from a 1st, 2nd, and 4th -Guys like Gaudette, Virtanen, Baertschi, Granlund, and Tryamkin all played Atleast a full season with us. Like many hockey pundits, Donnie and Dhaliwal don’t seem to understand that a team can’t primarily be built on picks and prospects. More times than not, these incoming prospects need to be surrounded by the right vets to insulate and nurture their development. All teams go through a rebuild and the Canucks are of no exception: 2015: 1st Round 2016: dnq 2017: dnq 2018: dnq 2019: dnq 2020: 2nd round 2021: dnq 2022-####: We should be a playoff team from here on out thanks to the promising young core that we’ve developed......in all the key positions: 1C: Pettersson 2C: Horvat 1D: Hughes 2D: Rathbone and/or Juolevi LW: Hoglander RW: Garland, Boeser, Podkolzin G: Demko BG: Dipietro
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I think the Canucks have definitely asserted themselves as being a playoff team from here on out and over the next number of years, but my concern now is that the Canucks won’t be able to take that next step (ie 2nd round and above), given their new cap structure. From an outside looking in, it just seems that whatever contracts of ours that falls off the books will simply be needed to re-up players internally. For example - over the next few years, the contracts of Pearson, Halak, Hamonic, and Miller will basically be used to re-up Hoglander, Podkolzin, Horvat, and Boeser. And then after that, it will likely be time to re-up Petey and Hughes with post bridge contracts (or Atleast one of them). In other words, I can see the Canucks basically being a perennial 1st round loser for the next little while here. The Edmonton Pilere of last year basically. I also want to go on record stating that I do like Tyler Myers. He’s got a solid offensive game and knows how to assert himself physically. I just don’t see him as a top pairing guy however. To me, he’s a #4 that should be earning about 4-4.5 million dollars. That Myers contract is what’s going to hurt us in my opinion because we will be counting on Myers to be a top pairing guy. If the Canucks are to take the next level, they will need to find a way to get Myers off the books so that they can go HARD after a top stay at home UFA RD in one of these Summers.
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Yes I also feel that we could use a bit more size. Outside of Miller, Horvat, and Podkolzin, the Canucks aren’t exactly big up front. Pearson and Dickinson have size but don’t really assert themselves physically. This is also another reason why I’m hoping that Zack MacEwen can have a strong training camp and win a spot in the line-up (possibly beating out Highmore). MacEwen is a Power Forward and would give us a little more snarl up front.