Convincing John
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1 minute ago, Amebushi said:
I have a plan for you:
Step 1 - watch a couple hockey games so you can get a feel for the sport, the rules and generally any aspect of this game.
Step 2 - Go to other forums or Reddit and see how good trolls go about their business. Take some notes about specifics such as having a point, or learning what the words you type actually mean.
Step 3 - this one is extremely important...stop talking.K
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9 minutes ago, coryberg said:
That is even better. It means we get to sign him to a whole new contract. One less thing for you to cry about.
Yes cause Benning has had so many slam dunks when it comes to contracts.
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Just now, Dazzle said:
Could it be that you don't know so much about the player as you pretend to be?
If you don't even know about his status as a player, that means you have gaps of knowledge. You also don't seem to be aware that our defensive problems stem from our massive shot against numbers, which Dickinson has traditionally been very good with. Therefore, Benning is addressing this aspect.
https://canucksarmy.com/2021/07/18/tape-traits-jason-dickinson-elite-shot-suppressor-struggles-offence/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Again, you've been proven that you know so little about the player that you're criticizing. Just learn to be quiet when this happens.Why don’t we just have 2 goalies on the ice? If you think a shot suppresser is the key, let’s just play 2 goalies.
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1 minute ago, Dazzle said:
Seriously, you know nothing about hockey. If you did, you wouldn't use this line of logic. You also have no clue what Dickinson does.
Dickinson is a defensive stalwart. He is only ONE piece to the puzzle when it comes to shot suppression, which he is very capable of doing. If our shots against have problems, you need a player like Dickinson. You should know this because you watched him, right?
I don’t agree, you need to keep possession of the puck. Ours team has flaws that go further than a guy in the bottom 6.
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Just now, coryberg said:
He has no years left in his contract. He is a RFA
Even better
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1 minute ago, Dazzle said:
I'm amused that Dickinson is a player you've watched so much, and you don't even know his status on his team.
Is it your MO to be negative, even if there's nothing that reasonably has nothing to be negative about?Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn’t mean you’re any better than I am. We are both fans of the same team and we both have a different opinion. You don’t see me belittling anyone do you? All I have done is argued my point but everyone here acts like I’m doing harm to them or something. You people need to relax. I personally don’t think he is worth a 3rd round pick, get over it.
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Just now, Dazzle said:
Wow, I'm really curious to know what you think about Gillis then.
We had next to no prospects to speak of, and yet you're complaining about prospects now? Gillis was the reason we had to even 'fill holes on the fly'.
The usual suspects here are just supporting their friends here, like Convincing John/lmm, but have no intention of discussing anything beyond their own opinions - even when they've been invalidated by other people.
Oh look, no thread is complete without Dazzle’s paper bags and blaming Gillis for stuff he did when half these posters were wearing diapers.
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14 minutes ago, 204CanucksFan said:
The bold is just part of your glaring ignorance when it comes to this player. You claim to of 'watched him more than anyone else on here' and know more about him than other CDC users and yet you keep repeating that he is only 'under contract for 1 year' He is not under contract for 1 year... He is a RFA with arbitration rights. He is currently UNSIGNED and is in need of a new contract.
Is he going to be the savior of the Canucks and carry the team to a Stanley Cup? No, and no one here is saying that he will. But you just seem to want to trash every move this team makes just for the sake of trashing the team.
You want to keep bringing up that he is currently a 0.3 ppg career player but you don't want to mention that he spent most of last season on a line with an offensively struggling Benn and Gurianov, consistently matching up against and shutting down the other teams top two lines.
You also want to keep mentioning that he has a career faceoff percentage of 44.3% and that you want a 3C that 'can take defensive zone draws away from Horvat'. But you don't mention that Dickinson has gotten better at faceoffs every year for the last 3 years, almost as if players can improve with practice... to the point of being almost 47% at draws last season. And as for taking defensive draws Dickinson started over 60% of his shifts last season in the d zone and had the 2nd most shorthanded ice time of any Dallas forward. Clearly his last coach trusted him and his skills to use him in d zone faceoffs.
You can keep quoting off your surface level 5 second Google search stats but a little bit of in depth research shows very quickly how little you actually know about this player despite you claims of superior knowledge.
You know what I did not realize he wasn’t under contract. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I don't disagree with that in principle. Sometimes it does make sense to move a pick tho as long as it isn't detrimental to the future.
In this case, if Dickinson is say a cost effective piece for 4 or 5 years then I see it as a win. If Benning had done this for a 30+ year old guy I could see the outrage. I also see that the gap is one of our own making.
All I really care about is: can this guy help us prevent giving up the most shots in the league?
What will prevent us from giving up the most shots in the league is having more than 2 lines that can maintain offensive possession. You can’t address that with sacrificing picks you can only address that by drafting puck possession players.
another issue we have is we have no brand or identity. It’s like, what are we? A back and forth heavy team with speed? A puck possession team that cycles the puck? We don’t seem to stick with a style of player. Back in the 90’s there were players that played like Detroit redwings, or NJ Devils. Today you got Barry Trotz making a brand wherever he goes. You got the Avs building a puck possession brand. We look like a patch quilt through the organization. Then everyone cries that green only plays a dump and chase yet the players he has can’t cycle the puck. Our shots against are far more deep rooted than a defensive forward in the bottom 6.
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14 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:
We have our 1st and 2nd were good
We are not good. We need to be in the position where when our RFA’s get to the big contracts we have the option of keeping them, or letting them go and backfilling the hole with our prospect pool. Spending 3rds on players under contract for a season isn’t going to get us there.
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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
he was there the year before wasn't he?
I get your point about getting more picks and prospects in the pipeline for sure. But there's also some gaping holes in the bottom 6. I don't want to see Vesey or some other waiver pickup, I'd prefer to see a guy who can actually contribute to the team defence and it seems like Dickinson can do that.
If we don’t address the pool this will be a constant cycle of giving up the future for now. We see it all the time. Especially with Canadian franchises cause of the pressure they have to win. I honestly think it’s a contributing factor to why a Canadian franchise hasn’t won since 93. We are too quick to jump out of the basement and we never end up with a mountain of prospects and futures. We are always trying to fill the holes on the fly.
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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
the chances of getting a good player in the 3rd round are pretty low, and usually takes 4-5 years to see something on the ice. We do need to shore up our defensive play and a guy like this seems to me like a good fit.
The guy does have some pretty interesting stats - but you seem to be saying he's not worth a 3rd so I guess thats the disconnect here.
What I'd like to know from you watching him is, if he's 1 dimensional, how did he end up playing 15-16 minutes per night?
Just looking at his line combo's it looks to me like he was a useful tool for them but I didn't watch Dallas for 1 minute this year (https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jason-dickinson).
I agree he's likely not the full answer to the 3C problem, but he does seem like a useful piece, no?
A useful piece for what? Getting knocked out of the first round?
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6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
How is saying he's a bottom 6 forward who can play #3 or 4 C hype?
Hype is seeing the loss of a 3rd round pick as some type of cosmic disaster.
You might want to read that article on the previous page which diagnoses him as a pretty good defensive forward.
And that his f/o percentage is that he struggles against tougher more experienced face off specialists.
Did you expect Vancouver to get Seth Jones for a 3rd?
Who knows? With JB’s drafting record, we could get Seth Jones. We are focusing on fixing something that can’t be addressed with our cap space. This organization needs to focus on replenishing our prospect pool so we have these guys to graduate when our time comes. We are trading away picks and prospects for quick fixes the last few seasons and it’s starting to reflect on our pool. Look at Hoglander and Rathbone. We are giving chances away for more players like this down the road when we are actually on the verge of contention. Jim is too good at drafting to be throwing picks around for immediate marginal improvement.
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26 minutes ago, The Lock said:
Except you don't know if you've watched the player more than anyone or not. It's these assumptions that make you sound like a pretend know-it-all rather than someone who actually knows something about the player.
Anyone can say anything. I could literally right now say I know more than you, but I would be no more in the right or wrong than you would if you said you knew more than me, so don't pretend if you want anyone to take you seriously.
Does this look like Texas? Cause that’s where I am and have no other games to watch when I’m at work but the Dallas Stars. Trust me when I tell you I’ve watched this guy a lot.
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24 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Because you refuse to see the bigger picture in his game. He's here to be the #3 centre and replace Sutter. We're not bringing him in to win the Art Ross Trophy.
Now if he's good enough to win the Selke Trophy that would be amazing. The Canucks need a shutdown centre. That is what Benning got. I just want a reliable defensive minded forward. If he scores some clutch assists or goals so much the better. If he get's 10-20 points and helps cut down Vancouver's shots and goals against then Benning has done his job. CDC is giving you the rope, you choose to hang your self with it, or just play tug o war.
This is a perfect example of the over hype I’m talking about. He is barely a centre man. He is under contract for 1 year. I don’t understand how everyone just dismissed that detail. I don’t even care that much it’s just this overhype is nauseous. Seriously everyone, this isn’t “The 3rd line C” we’ve been looking for. We need a 3C that can take the defensive zone draws away from Horvat.
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13 minutes ago, tas said:
it's almost like glancing at the hockeydb page of a player you clearly know nothing about isn't going to provide you with enough insight to form an opinion that's worth speaking aloud.
I’ve watched this player more than anyone running after me with pitchforks. I got banned when we signed Ferland because I was the only one disgusted that we signed a guy with an eggshell surrounding his brain. got absolutely bombed, just like this.
sometimes CDC is a little unrealistically positive. Believe it or not, opinions against the consensus are valid sometimes.
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I’m getting hung here cause I don’t like giving up a 3rd for a 0.3ppg centre who can’t win face offs and only has one year left on his contract. It’s cool to be passionate about everything Jim Benning does but I have feelings.
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32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
I saw Kesler in myself hahahahaha.
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8 minutes ago, Dazzle said:
You have no clue about this player, period. So much for you 'watching' this player. Laughable. I feel I have a better grasp on the player than you do.
Like I said before, he is ok I guess but definitely nothing to be pumped up about and too little for a 3rd. Jim is good at drafting so that 3rd could end up being useful player when our real window opens and the new GM is making things happen to put us over the top. We spent a 3rd on a very 1 dimensional player under contract for a season. Why are you so excited?
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7 minutes ago, Dazzle said:
We know what you are too.
Seriously, this post is straight up trash. He's a proven NHL player that fits a need on the team - all for the price of a 3rd round pick.
What are you talking about with regards to killing people? If you watched him, you'd know exactly what his role is. He kills penalties. Stupid post by you, Convincing John. Bottom of the barrel tier.I can go way lower bro. Lol
but seriously there is too much optimism over this 1 dimensional Ryan Johnson. He really isn’t that good lol.
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1 minute ago, RWJC said:
I’ll give you this CJ, you’re holding on to your opinion in spite of a whole bunch of armchair GMs pontificating, including myself, and arguing against you. I applaud you for that.
Dick may end up being great for the Nux. He may also not find his rhythm here and flounder. No one knows that yet but expectations are high amongst us all because of the lack of news and recent successes on ice.
Probably a good idea on everyone’s part to temper expectations of him a lil bit.
We’ve seen a lot of guys come and go for the 3/4 line roles. It’s a grand exception when we get a Motte out of all that trial and error.
Anyway, don’t mean to be a downer at all. I like the deal myself. Even happier to at least be trying new blood that hopefully doesn’t end up disappointing like Boyd or Jimmy Feces did. Yeah, Feces.
Yes, I mean, I overshoot my pessimism for my own entertainment but ultimately I’d love to be wrong. Like I was saying before, I saw a lot of this guy on the local TV and have even watched him play live. There isn’t a-lot to talk about here. Is he a warrior? Absolutely, but how useful is a warrior to an army when he doesn’t know how to kill people.
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34 minutes ago, Amebushi said:
What do you expect for a third round pick? He isn’t going to solve all our problems overnight, but this is a decent trade. He is hard to play against, has a reasonable contract and only has one year left. Slitting him in on the third line and getting time on the PK will free up time and space for JT, and in my opinion more importantly Bo. Having Horvat play matchup duty severely decreases our second lines offensive potential. We need to do more, but this is an inexpensive trade that fills a hole in the roster. If he is terrible the contract is up next year when we have more cap space to work with.
The problem I have is I base my opinion on what I see. CDC bases their opinion on what they hope.
You are making it sound like this guy can win face offs or something. He also doesn’t even play like a centre. The only reason he is in there is because he doesn’t give up the middle of the ice. Good defensively but has no idea what to do with the puck.
this isn’t football guys, you can’t just play defence and you can’t just play offence. He is a 1 dimensional player that will do nothing for offensive chemistry in the bottom 6. This guy isn’t worth a 3rd. With JB’s drafting record a third isn’t nothing.
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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:
Kind of get Tim Schaller vibes from Dickinson. Just feels like it's not enough.
Finally, someone with accurate expectations.
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27 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Players can always improve on face offs gtfo with that bs
Can I improve my social skills?
We had next to no prospects to speak of, and yet you're complaining about prospects now? Gillis was the reason we had to even 'fill holes on the fly'.
[Trade] Canucks Trade for Dickinson from DAL for a 3rd.
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That’s actually wicked funny