Drakrami
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4 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
You simply saying it's not relevant doesn't make it so. Trade trees are a thing you know, and when degree of separation between the young player in question and the piece we currently have is only one player, yes, it's very relevant. We lost value by moving assets for a player that flamed out, then gained some of that value back by moving said flame out for a player that ended up having a bit of a resurgence here. Saying we ended up with nothing out of McCann is a lie.
Firstly, you didn't initially say we got a "meh" player in return, you said we got "Nothing or next to nothing", so the goalposts are already shifting. Secondly, Karlsson is two years younger than Dahlen, and thus Dahlen has two years of development on Karlsson. Thirdly, Karlsson's last two seasons in Swe-1 were roughly equivalent to Dahlen's time in the same league, which would indicate that he's roughly the same level of prospect Dahlen was prior to his trade request.
Saying that Dahlen is the same level prospect as Karlsson is just lol. Dahlen: top scorer in SWE-1, 29pts in 50 AHL games. Karlsson... nothing but a 3rd round pic at the time. Stop making stuff up to pretend we didn't lose a trade. We lost this one: Apparent at the time of the trade and even more obvious now.
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We better beat Chicago.. They haven't been playing well at all.
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11 hours ago, Coconuts said:
Hope he clears, he'd benefit our prospects
Didn't know we still have prospects... Forwards at least.
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lol... you even see a few posts declaring we are contenders just a couple of days ago. The touch of adrenaline with Canucks fans is funny. Well a few things.. Losing to Detriot and Buffalo are pretty bad. We did outshoot Detroit and are 1-2-1, so hopefully it's just bad luck and we will do better. Already said we needed to change coach during the offseason. We are not coached well. The horrible performance on the special teams, even though we have the talent, and getting outshot by Buffalo, that says it all. The explosiveness we showed in the 2019 season and the subsequent playoff performance everyone keeps on reminiscing where we were winning games like 9-3 against Boston and then losing 2-9 to Lightning. Shows that we have the talent, but lack the structure, which again comes to coaching. Actually we have not been coached well since AV. Torts, Desjardins, Green. Really should have gotten someone like Gallant to coach.
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Shoulda given him that 1 game in Detriot before hes sent down... oh well
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8 hours ago, You Mad Bro? said:
I respect the man. His resume speaks for itself. Wish he played for a different team.
lol.. pretty contradicting. Karlsson most likely picked the team who would pay him the most to sign. And you can be certain not many teams would have shelled out 8 years 92million for a 29 year old Karlsson. SJS kind of had to resign him after the treasure trove they used to trade for him the year before.
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Hard to imagine a regular young man would get attacked by 4 men without altercation. So if this was done because he is Benning's son. Then wow, police really needs to crack this case. This needs to be addressed. In Yaletown nonetheless lol..
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Nice game... Did Green bench Podkolzin after his nice snipe in the second period? 7minutes of game time only in a game that went to OT lol...
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What's up with Boeser?
Hunt - Schenn as third pairing.. That doesn't look too good..
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lol what's up with these kids feeling entitled because they were drafted high.
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18 minutes ago, ‹(•¿•)› said:
A lot of it depends on your definition of great.
2013: Mackinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones, Lindholm. 2 great, 3 good
2014: Ekblad, Reinhardt, Draisaitl, Bennett, Dal Colle. 1 great, 3 good, 1 bust.
2015: McDavid, Eichel, Strome, Marner, Hanifin. 3 great, 1 good, 1 ok.
2016: Matthews, Laine, Dubois, Puljujarvi, Juolevi. 1 great, 3 good, 1 bust.
2017: Hischier, Patrick, Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson. 3 great, 1 good, 1 ok.
I think 2018 and beyond are too recent to call, so looking at those years we have 25 picks, and by my subjective definition, 10 great players. So basically only a 40 percent chance of landing a truly great player. Interesting though that during those 5 years only Juolevi and Dal Colle are what I'd consider outright busts. Fair to say, picking top 5 and not at least getting some level of contribution is rare and more or less unforgivable.
In the context that we are having Dal Colle, Juolevi, Virtanen in the conversation, anyone playing 2nd line and above is great. By the way, your list is really conservative. Jones, Ekblad, Laine, Dubois are great players.
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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:
They do? Great players? Prove your post.
The list is so bloody obvious it'd be an insult to your intellect if I had to write it out for you.
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1 hour ago, Devron44 said:
Clears. People complain about Joulevi and JV picks. Happens all the time to every team. Why people think we are special I’ll never know lol
Actually most top 5 goes on to become great players in the NHL since the 2013 draft. Dunno what you are posting just because MDC is waived.
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Two consecutive Stanley Cups, did an amazing job, deserves to get paid.
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boy our coaching staff really likes to treat prospects drafted by our own organization like second hand citizens while newly acquired players like Leivo, Vessey, Highmore, Chiasson gets like 17, 19+ minutes a game and top 6 looks. What's the logic behind this lol.
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19 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:
Didn't they try to send him to the AHL though and stated he would have been a call up at times even this year?
What I'm trying to say is it doesn't have to be that Gadjovich sucks (I don't think he sucks I never said he sucks anywhere) or we screwed up somehow. 22 year players and former ELC contracts on the cusp are waived all the time. That's a tough choice all NHL teams are faced with. This is not a situation unique only to the Canucks.
2nd rounders have about a 25% of playing games in NHL so I don't understand the criticism levelled towards Benning in your last paragraph.
2014 draft 18/30 2nd rounders played in the NHL
2015 draft 23/30 2nd rounders played in the NHL
And this doesn't even matter. I like what Gadjovich brings and his progress. Now he is a Sharks.
I don't see other NHL teams losing prized prospects... May be you can name some good prospects that were lost to waivers from other teams? Sure every team loses fringe projects. But as said again, Gadjovich is looking good at 22 years old.
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how dare you guys insult Highmore.. there's a post of 30+ pages on this board somewhere singing praises to this hockey prodigy all to justify we "won" a trade.
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59 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:
Okay, well again you've demonstrated you just don't understand hockey that well. There are literally thousands of second round picks that didn't make it/lost for nothing. It doesn't mean 1000 balls were dropped. Second round picks are not protected at all costs. Once a player ends his ELC they are no longer afforded special treatment and move around the league until they find a home or move on. I guess in your mind all teams are obligated to keep there 2nd rounders until they choose to retire.
Once again a complete logic fail and ultimately attempting to bash management.
What it really means is the NHL is incredibly difficult and not everyone makes it.
Anyways I'm done arguing stupid stuff for one night. Cheers. Hope the rest of you guys can catch a couple winks after crying into your life size Gadj doll shoulders until 4 am.
Yeah no one is saying we should be married to our prospects. But losing a gritty 22 year old who has been progressing in the AHL to the point of 18points in 19 games last season is a failure of management. Gadjovich is good callup depth and 1-2 years down the road may become a good regular player for us. You trying to argue that away is "the complete logic fail" lol.
On the other hand, let's say you are right and Gadjovich does suck. Then that just means Benning wasted another 2nd rounder and drafted no one. His homeruns of Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser over 7 years of drafting high (because our team has sucked for 7 years) is not looking so good when paired with Virtanen, Juolevi, Lind, Gadjovich.
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Free prospect to the sharks? Amazing...
Hoping a gritty, 2nd round prospect, and who produced at ppg at the AHL level clears waivers... what are they smoking?
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lol.. Pittsburgh signed Marino to a 6 year 26.4million contract. Obviously very high on him and he is their top 4. So why would Pittsburgh trade Marino to us again?
For Rathbone, a prospect who may not make it? For Poolman?
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Still remember when people were saying Shinkaruk won't make it because he is too small at 5'11". Now we have posts asking why a 5'9" AHL ppg player is not making it in the NHL.
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Juolevi is no longer a highly touted prospect for a few years already. And here we have Juolevi for Tampa's #1 prospect.
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Pettersson slightly more than Barzal, pretty good. Hughes on a 6 years deal at 7.85mil, that's great as well.
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Dunno why here we are criticizing agents for doing their job: maximize value for their client. If Pettersson's camp wants to argue they are closer to what Eichel is getting (10mil) and Hughes' camp wants to argue they are closer to what Makar is getting (9 mil) they are well within their rights. It is up to Benning's abilities to ride this through.
[Report] Canucks recall Justin Bailey
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Hope he contributes on the 3rd/4th line and make a statement. Had his chance last season and Lucic crushed his shoulders like 2 games in wasn't it. Very unlucky.