RinkonRenfrew

Tyler Myers the player isn’t really the problem. Tyler Myers’ salary is a problem in a cap world. He isn’t a 6m dollar player who can carry his own top 4 pairing dman, but he has a lot more skill and athleticism than a replacement level player. I think he’ll surprise a lot of those people this season who have written him off as garbage. Would Pesce be better? of course. He’s played a lot of hard minutes for this team, and is only a -1 over the last two seasons combined. His errors are glaring, and his performance is not consistent, but i’d argue his effort is there. Overpaid and overworked. Not a cool steady partner. Not a bad defenseman though. If we were better without him, he’d be benched. I’ll give his last 3 coaches some credit that they might know better than us whinging fans on here. If he’s a Canuck opening day then let’s cheer him on.

Agreed. If you’re going to move a Miller or a Horvat, you need a premium piece to flip to get what you really want if it’s not coming back in the original trade. NYI 1st was pretty close with that team’s trajectory and the conditions on it. Im happy having Miller as our 2c. We’re clearly a team that is looking to make some noise as our young stars mature and drag the team to respectable. A lot can change in 3-4 years, but OEL’s buyout and Miller likely declining from an elite 2C can be sorted out then. Trying to crystal ball all our players peaking over a longer window isn’t an easy task, but neither is winning the cup. I don’t get the feeling that this mgmnt will push all their chips in at the first sign of playoffs, so hopefully they can find a way to keep the contender window open a little longer for the duration of petey and qh’s best years.

Think we’ve got a little off topic. Miller or no Miller, I don’t see Petey cutting bait and running as long as this team is trying. Of course he wants to win, but if he’s intent on being a cup finalist year-in year-out, the obvious move is to get to ufa and jump teams. I don’t think that’s who he is though. If I’m him, I’d wait for next off season and sign a shorter contract. And that would have nothing to do with wanting to be here long term, which i think he does. This team is on the upswing, and he gets to lead that. i’m happy to see him betting on himself to keep improving.

Exactly. they’re not rebuilding. And, teams can flip picks for young or established players. Trades aren’t easy to make, picks are currency, and two-part trades can facilitate a team’s needs. I know what PA said. i’m sure he wanted a good young centerman or a top 4 rd for Horvat. If a team offers you a good price in flippable assets, you don’t say no because there isn’t the player with the age/position you covet offered. The rumoured Ranger offer didn’t have any premium value pieces, so i get why he passed. If there was a top 10 pick plus plus offered, I think that might have done it two trade deadlines ago. I’m glad they set the price high and didn’t cave. But if they had traded him, I’d expect those assets we received to be traded again for pieces we need now and in the medium that align with Petey and Hughes prime years.

Miller was a stretch to think he’d be a 2C when we got him too. I get the team wasn’t willing to take a step back and trading Horvat probably wasn’t their plan A going in to the season. But draft picks can buy great young players like Hronek, so i don’t buy the argument that we didn’t trade Miller because there weren’t enough good young players coming back, or that we couldn’t have gotten PLD with a package heavily weighted in draft picks. Im pretty sure trading your prime age captain on pace for a career year in goals and a league leader in faceoffs doesnt signal the opposite of rebuild either. Trading away good players for assets that can be further flipped for win now guys isn’t a rebuild move. If the team traded Miller and Horvat for picks, got low end journeymen to fill the holes, and then used the picks at the draft stating those kids were the future, then sure. That would signal a rebuild, but that isn’t what was proposed.

Of course you’re not going to get a legit ready-now younger 2c for Miller, but Krebs and Newhook were traded recently and have the potential to grow in to that role. RyJo could have been an okay stopgap had for free. PLD and Eichel have been traded and fit the age range of our young stars. To say that trading Miller and Horvat last off season would signal a tear it down rebuild is a bit disingenuous. Major surgery- yes. An off year to follow? probably.

This. reloading on some assets and buying cheap with available cap space to have a slightly later and longer window is at the heart of what the ‘trade miller’ advocates were seeking. i don’t mind the expedited rebuild keeping miller (who wants to be here) and bringing in a 25 yo ‘young guy’ in hronek, but it wasn’t the only option to competing for a playoff spot or keeping ‘petey happy’ this coming season. Building a cast around Petey and Hughes is what we need(ed) to do, and PA seems to be doing an alright job. Keeping Miller, Kuz, getting Hronek, we’re going to be peaking sooner than later, with out a lot of young guys or assets to help push/buy our way in to elite status when the time comes. Maybe that will work, maybe not. I’ll be cheering for the team regardless, but i think a slightly longer term vision would have given us more wiggle room. It seems clear the objective from ownership is get there sooner than later, and with that said, i’m overall happy with the moves made. i like our players. now drop the puck.

come on man. you’re a positive guy pumping Hronek’s tires. I like Hronek, i don’t see anyone here trying to tear him down. I don’t think many people would give up Dobson in a 1 on 1 trade for Hronek. They both play a similar role and we did do a big trade with nyi, so i don’t see a problem with comparing them in the dog days of summer. I hope Hronek is in the realm of how good you’ve built him up to be. That would be awesome. I’m all for being excited about his impact on the team and what he can bring. However, i think it’s fair to him to temper expectations and just give the guy 40 games before anointing him our saviour. Perhaps the best quality i see in him is his ability to overcome his deficiencies and keep improving where he needs to. He’s a feisty guy who wants to keep getting better, so i’m not placing any limit on how good he’ll become.

Hard to argue there, but the D zone play wasn’t light years ahead under Green either, so hard to pin it all on Bruce. i’m not sold on Toc and Foote fixing all our problems bleeding chances, but i’ll start the season optimistic.

hard to blame the tenders for the GA stat last year, but they certainly didn’t do anything to help lift the team up until it was far to late to matter. I’m hoping Demko begins the season in good form, or i can see those early bad results snowballing into another middling finish in the standings. Improved team defense will be key, but i don’t think average goaltending will be enough to play more than 82 games once the season starts. I think our fate rests on Demko’s shoulders and hips.

Dobson would be pretty great. Bigger, younger, puts up points, and an extra year on his contract vs Hronek before they’ll both need big raises. Needs to improve his d game, but so do lots of 23 yo putting up those kind of points. Neither Hronek or Dobson are shut down pairing d’s or have demonstrated they can play a matchup role against the opposing team’s top line. Both played somewhat sheltered minutes. As far as Hronek being Dets best D, maybe, but averaged 21.5 min with detroit vs Seiders 23. I like Hronek and hope you’re 100% right Alf, but let’s not build him up too high and have him fall short of unrealistic expectations to become our whipping boy. I think we have a very good O-first solid D-side player who can carry a playoff calibre 2nd pair.

when we’re well out of the playoff picture. or did you mean hamonic and motte? i hope they balance playoff aspirations with a slow build too, but it’s pretty clear what they’re trying to do. if we’re in a good spot and myers is fulfilling a meaningful top 6 role then i don’t see them trading him.

if we’re looking like we’re in the playoffs (i’d assume on the bubble) near tdl, and myers is playing the solid hockey i would expect of him given: contract year; reduced role; and coaching/structure changes, i would bet against him being moved. we’re clearly not trying to build assets. we’re trying to win playoff revenues. i don’t disagree with your reasoning though.

didn’t like the trade at the time. don’t care for the strategy of speeding up the team progression and pushing for cinderella playoff runs on the back of demko. it seems clear that’s the plan though. so if i accept that, then the trade is fine if hronek plays quality top 4 minutes and to the value of his next contract. it was an aggressive move which could fail miserably. i wouldn’t have bet my armchair gm reputation on it. i hope it works. i’ll wait 3 years to judge it.

can we somehow trade Boeser for future considerations to minny if we sign him ufa?