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T.Demko

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  1. "Without getting into an argument" is your starting sentence and you end with "if you're a hockey person, you'd already know that". Passive aggressive much? Lol. Look, you make it sound like defense is a team game, but that offense is not? It is a team sport, so I would assume, even without being a "hockey person", just by pure logic, the relationship would exist on both end no?
  2. Completely agree with proper coaching. Don't think anyone would argue that. Travis.. puke can't even finish his name off... was a disaster. However, we strongly do need a top 4 RD that is reliable. Proper coaching will maybe get us a playoff spot, but I don't see us contending for the cup.
  3. That point has been made countless times now in this thread brother. The must keep JT Miller fan just close their eyes and ears on that possibility, or possibility of having JG and MT scenario next summer, or injury, etc...
  4. So is offense. Not sure what you're getting at. The one position that is influenced the least is goaltender (thank God for Demko), and even that can be said is a team strategy.
  5. Ok, but out of curiosity, you are stating Johnny is a better player than JT?
  6. 50K is the average salary in Vancouver, which is slightly higher than the rest of Canada. Not saying it's easy, but it seems like people are getting by. Now with the current inflation...
  7. Well thats double digit in Vancouver if count the tax. Johnny basically signed a 10 x 7 in Canada, so Miller getting 1 million less isn't farfetched at all. Also I thought Canucks fan much rather have JT over Johnny? Which is it lol...
  8. Historical average suggests Miller play would drop off from last year. Certainly not to say it will be bad, but that he may not repeat or do better statistically. A betting man would bet on under than over. Just statistics. That being said, of course JT could repeat his stellar performance or do better. In that case, there is a high chance the team would be in a playoff spot / race, which means JT Miller trade value would be irrelevant as Canucks management would look to retain than sell Miller.
  9. I'm starting to think Miller Camp is asking 9.5 to 10 at 8. If Johnny is asking for over 10, and Calgary has put that on the table, why would Miller ask for much less? Canucks management and Miller camp is probably quite far in numbers... very worrisome to think we may have a Gaud situation in 1 year.
  10. So do we assume Johnny's 50/50 in post season or that he is figuring it out now / is entering his prime?
  11. Not looking great on Miller's projected numbers. - Johnny Hockey seeking 10mill + (same age as Miller, and I'm assuming most on this board would prefer Miller over Gnome) - Evgeni Malkin testing free agency as he wants to sign a 4 years extension that will take him to 39 - Valery Nichuskin signing an 8-year extension at $ 6.125M AAV This could be at least a 9M AAV at 8 years ask.
  12. Would much rather just keep Miller at 7 or 8 in that case...
  13. I think there now is a higher chance Penguins actively pursue Miller than for Malkin to land in Vancouver. Although ... I'm not against the idea of signing Malkin as a free asset, say max 2 years, if we were to trade Miller for some good returns including a solid defenseman.
  14. Fair enough. I wouldn't cringe too hard if that was the term of his new contract. Not exactly ideal, but that would mean he definitely gave us a discount. I think Miller would probably be looking closer to max term, 7 years, minimum Forsberg money. If on shorter term, like 6 years, most likely closer to 9.5. I know you're a very big supporter of keeping Miller. Would those numbers be something you feel comfortable providing J.T. Miller?
  15. A slight exaggeration on my part for "at all cost", just a figure of speech. However, the 5 years is definitely thrown around even if you scroll few pages back. I'm sure the exact details aren't shared by every keep-Miller fans, but it was a general summary to make a more important point, which you did not provide an answer to: What do you really think he deserves on this contract, given you seem to agree with all the positives about J.T. Miller?
  16. Oh yeah... I didn't want to even go there haha. I did get a sense they feel like anyone suggesting a Miller trade hates winning, is accustomed to the "losing" culture, thinks draft picks are the best shiny toys, team tank is the favorite past-time, doesn't realize how good Miller is, etc... did I miss any?
  17. I'm sure Miller is very capable of providing lots at 35... leadership, experience, etc... while being a 35 - 45 points guy. Not sure that will be worth the price tag we will pay for his early years of service, especially if our contention years isn't within the next 2-3 years, which is a bit of a timeline mismatch if you ask me. I honestly think they will be pushing hard for max money. For all the reasons I have listed, and I think most of us agree on it, Miller is worth that, and is deserving of that. Vancouver Canucks isn't a cup favorite, nor is his hometown... I don't think he is against re-signing in Vancouver (I hope), but Vancouver has to payout like he would receive in the FA market.
  18. After re-reading the thread out of pure boredom, just trying to make sense out of something the must-keep-Miller-at-all-cost crowd is puzzling me with: - JT Miller is currently the best player on the team - Provides this team the best chance at winning games / making the playoffs - Is one of the elite power forwards / centre in the current NHL - Is very good with FO - Brings intangibles - Proven leadership and to some, should replace Bo as the new Captain - Plays a heavy game while providing tons of skills - Irreplaceable - Had a career year with 99 points (32G, 67A) - Would improve every team and would make playoff teams instant cup contenders - Therefore, should command premium return assets in a trade or no trade should be considered - However, should sign to a reasonable, team-friendly 5 years contract on his final money contract? Something isn't adding up... Not arguing the positives about Miller, don't get me wrong.
  19. I think we're both seeing the same thing and just having some sort of misunderstanding in-between. I certainly don't want to trade Miller for spare parts either... nor do I think it will happen. To be fair, I actually think there is higher chance he walks to FA than us getting spare parts, because Miller is our greatest trading chip, and the new management group will certainly want to swing big on this one rather than be tainted with a sub-par return. My question is, if management feels like we don't have a chance at re-signing Miller, at what point do we declare a trade value to be sub-par? If it is inevitable that Miller's fate is FA next summer, do we take the approach of "something is better than nothing", or keep our pride up and say I'd rather let him walk than be laughed at by the league / media / fans? Once again, I'm not pro or against Kravstov, Lundqvist, and a pick, but if that was the best offer on the table, or we risk Miller to FA, do we take it? I mean, Id certainly would love a Dobson and a 1st, but as you know, it takes 2 to dance. Hey, maybe nothing even as close to that value has been offered, or that exact deal has been offered but Canucks management wants to swing even bigger, nobody knows! All I'm saying is, if we're getting closer and closer to Miller's FA timeline, our leverage decreases significantly, while risks pile on. I'm with you that I certainly don't want to trade Miller for the sake of trading Miller away, but I'm more against the idea of having Miller walk for nothing. Thank god there is a Canucks management team that gets paid millions to assess the risk and outcomes, and hopefully they'll make the better decision than you and I.
  20. What if what if what if is called risk management, and you always do it from the least favorable perspective. I think we both agree that nothing is certain until it happens, hence, you have to manage all potential risk scenarios and derive the best set of action(s) from it. Great if Miller gets 40 points in his 14 games, great if JT Miller signs 6 years at 6. I think every Canucks fans would be ecstatic. I know you brought up these extreme scenarios, ones you even believe is less likely to happen, to make a point for your case. However, when you are forecasting and making business plans to formulate actions, you do it passively, even timidly, while taking into considerations all potential risks. Anything further positive, as the two scenarios you mentioned above, are pure bonus (hence the "bonus" people get paid for overachievement), and you shouldn't let that take greater weight into calculation when formulating a business plan or action. Potential is the x factor, especially in sport, but we can say it is very unlikely at Miller's age, that growth potential, if any remaining, exceeds potential to decline, potential of injury, etc during the course of his new contract. He could certainly maintain his level of play, while adding more experience, leadership, etc... other qualities that are certainly beneficial to the team for couple more years, but over the course of 6 - 8 years (which we can safely both assume would be the term of his new contract), it would be more logical to assume the risk potential would certainly outweigh the positive potential. The key thing is, when will the negative potential start tipping the scale over the positive potential, and does that timeframe fit the Canucks contention window? That is what the Canucks management should consider. Are we going all-in in the next 2-3 years? If so, then it could make sense to bank on Miller, and unless an absolute crazy deal came swinging by, that the Canucks stay firm with wanting to re-sign Miller to an extension. However, if the Canucks management believe our contention window is outside Miller's "golden" time frame, which they seem to indicate with who they have designated as the 3 untouchables, then does it make sense to sign Miller to such contract and handcuff the team during our contention window? If the answer is no, then we need to get something back for Miller. So if we're getting something back for Miller, we need to start taking into consideration all the risky "what if" and take action to mitigate them as much as possible. If they know Miller doesn't fit our timeframe, or Miller camps demand is too high, or knows Miller is intending to test FA, that "what-if" are extremely important and it is to Canucks best interest to trade Miller away as soon as they see an acceptable offer.
  21. Not attacking you, but I don't think using Boeser in this sitatuion is a good comparison to Miller's current situation. Completely different production level last year, one having underachieved and the other overachieved. One being much younger, while the other one being in that "bank it" contract where, this is JT's final shot at getting max pay. Let's be very honest, he worked hard for it and deserves every penny. I do see JT signing closer to $ 8.5 million like you mentioned, but probably in the States in a tax friendly city.. hence why I said 9.5 is what the range is for Vancouver.
  22. Once again, nobody really knows what type of offer JT has been garnishing. We can safely assume there has been decent amount of interest. I don't think many of the pro JT-trade posters are saying we should accept other teams' scraps for him. Not exactly sure why this keeps being brought up. That being said, we're bringing up potential scenarios that could possibly throw a kink in the "wait and see plan". - What happens if JT Miller production goes down, hence his market value? - What happens if JT Miller gets injured and is sidelined during Trade Deadline? - What happens if we're in the playoff race come Trade Deadline (just like we were), but don't end up winning the Cup or making the playoffs? Now Miller is only tad away from hitting FA where his camp can really have the freedom to field any offers and choose where they want to land. - What if JT Miller doesn't have the Canucks as his priority re-signing location to begin with? We shouldn't hit the panic button and trade JT for the sake of telling the league "we're open for business", but from a business perspective, the longer we hold to Miller, the less leverage we have (and by we, I mean the Canucks, which we all are correct? Unless some are rooting for the Vancouver JT Millers).
  23. With Forsberg's signing today, it is putting JT's contract range close to 9.5. Unless Miller camp has made it painfully clear to Canucks management he is not re-signing in Vancouver, they'll most likely ask for max terms, at the very least, 7 years to match FA max. With the Canucks management publicly declaring their 3 untouchables as Demko, Huges, EP, they probably don't want JT's contract to deviate too far away from the aforementioned players current contract, and also not have JT's potential re-sign amount over-inflate the value of EP's next contract. Safe to put Canucks JT target around 7.5 - 8.0, give or take some on the max range as it is not very realistically possible (although it would be amazing if it did happen) to think JT will accept anything below 7.5 AAV even at max terms.
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