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(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller
ToTellTheTruth replied to combover's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Pull a real dirty one on the Islanders, move Miller and Schenn to Washington with retention on the remainder of Miller's current contract for the rights to RHD, 6'4" Ryan Chesley, RHD, 6'4" prospect Vincent Iorio and this year's unprotected 1rst or an unprotected 2025 first. Dream big! This would push the Islanders down the standings or make it harder to make the playoffs improving the Canuck pick. Montreal did this waaaay back. Kind of a slap in the face of the Islanders though -
(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller
ToTellTheTruth replied to combover's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
No, it is a build around Pettersson, Hughes and the kids in Abbotsford plus what they get in trades. Miller as a winger isn't a cornerstone. Just a prop for a few years. Rutherford said two years, I don't think this one counts so two more years of TDL's and drafts AFTER this year. They are not done yet -
[Rumour] Canucks Getting Calls on Luke Schenn
ToTellTheTruth replied to Warhippy's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Any trade will not be two minutes to midnight. I think if they want him to come back they will sit down with him and show him all the teams making offers and let him pick especially if he is nothing but a rental. Once he is a UFA at the end of the season and if the other team hasn't offered him a contract which the Canucks could match, then it's his choice where he plays. I have a feeling he might go to Edmonton for a player because they could use extra cap space. Edmonton is not so far away and they really need defensive depth and truculence. A possible trade might be Schenn, Lazar and Joshua for Poolparty, Mcleod and a 4th That would fit within particular roster spots, McLeod is a center, Lazar and Joshua are centers. With Schenn the cap hit is 2.7 mil to Edmonton. They end up with two 3rd/4th line forwards, adjusted to their roles, one of which was supposed to be really good at PK, size, hitting at forward and of course Schenn, playoff experience, hitting and a stay at home defenceman for a cup run. For Vancouver they get two under 25 forwards that could use a change of scenery and a pick at some draft, it cost the Canucks an additional 250K in cap space. And if done right they come back around to Schenn at the end of the season. -
Minnesota has cap problems, a trade with them using retention will make them better. If they can get him now at close to the price they pay Greenway they might do it, but the Canucks retain and probably take back a contract That makes it expensive for them. A first no doubt even if it is in 2025, of course 2023 would be better. Apology, this is a thread about Livingston, who I think is fait accompli
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(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller
ToTellTheTruth replied to combover's topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
The team can't drag their feet on a Miller trade, his NMC kicks in in September when his new contract becomes valid. Miller has to go IMHO. He is a "live wire" a powder keg with a short fuse not the kind of guy you want in the room with young players. Sometimes it looks like he is barely holding it together. Moving Miller is not a rebuild. -
A very active thread here eh? Thought I would wait to "consume" the news and it's ramifications, or rather, the results. The first response of some posters was wanting to hang Rutherford which is just being selfish, closed minded and really quite childish. Everything this fan base has been accused when being ridiculed by eastern media. This is the start. Rutherford said there would be unpopular moves. It is not a bad trade, not the greatest but really not bad. No doubt there will be a trade that is better as desperation ramps up, but the bar has been set by the Canucks The immediate winner will be the Islanders. I don't think they are done yet, they still have cap space and picks/prospects. There is nothing that makes these players set in stone, they could be moved yet, before the TDL. There is still time yet but time is moving now. Hope Horvat has success on the Island, hope he gets to show how good he really is in playoffs because he is a playoff player, always has been
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Your kidding right? For 7 years under Benning media ignored the team but did ridicule fans as being unreasonable. What have the Canucks done to get anything other than what has been reported lately? Where is the "joy, joy" stuff to talk about? "Hey Vancouver is still at he bottom of the league but look at how good Quinn and Pettersson are!". Well that lasted for 4 years. The unfair schedule? Not much worse than past years but at least this year the reason could be there was no time to influence the NHL like Gillis did. Follow the money eh? Let's see, the team plays in Rogers arena as do three other teams, Rogers media owns the broadcast right and have a big decision on who plays when so they can get ratings to sell advertising. Scotia bank has only two arena deals Toronto and Calgary. ALL schedules for teams on the wrong coast have tough schedules the worst the Canucks ever had apart from Covid time was the 2013/14 season, worse that year almost no practice time for 4 months. But this year was bad but now the remainder is easy.
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I think he is worthy of time. Most complaining about Rutherford now were long time supporters of Benning's circus and because their favourite player got traded. He warned the fans about doing stuff they wouldn't like, were you not listening? Usually a losing culture has to have a lot of core pieces taken off the team to alter the gloom. AS fans having the status quo was worthy of our ire, but once change, real change starts fans shouldn't start heating up the irons. So ya, for now I trust Rutherford. Besides it was Allvin that signed Miller, he is the GM.
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The old boys club. Higher education doesn't mean more intelligent but it certainly does mean knowing more. But in the NHL there are dozens of people to run the intricate parts of the team. The school of hard knocks has value and is real but Linden exposed a problem with having an ex-player running the show. The parts became worth more than the whole. Linden and Benning made no trades of players they themselves signed except at the end, they would not even make TDL trades off the team. I like the Sedins, they were great players but not using their asset value destroyed this team's future for more than a decade. IF they were traded at the TDL, which would mean they would have been on the road an additional 6 games because the team was already on the road for their games, essentially 4 to 6 weeks with retention of half their salaries, which could have been done easily, the team could have got a very high return, exceptionally high, likely enough to prevent a dismal decade or longer. The Sedins became more important than the team, more important than the future and most harmful, more important than the fans. "They never asked" because somehow the fan owed the Sedins for being paid over 65 million dollars to live in one of the worlds best places Right now there are a couple of markets going through the same thing, Washington with Ovy and Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin. Chicago just blew it up around it's two super stars but now might trading them at the TDL for future assets. That won'tmake Toews and Kane less Hawks in the future. This is a marketing thing, to sell the love for a part of the whole for ticket sales instead of what the entire purpose of competition is about. Now all a GM really has to do is assign responsibilities' and provide a path to follow, there is so much information out there that most folks with an IQ of 70 or higher could sit in that seat if all it was to run the team. But it is the old boys network that dictates who sits where and what can be accomplished. Remember the Lowe Burke feud? Or Burke declaring the Luongo contract should be punished because Gillis scooped him for the Sedins. How after Gillis signed the offer sheet for Bernier the threats came out and trades became harder. Rookie GMs out of the old boys network get taken advantage of, see Benning but there are exceptions, Dubas was endorsed by Lammorello and Shanahan, Bowman in Chicago by the mentor Bowman It isn't what you know, it is who you know. And the NHL too. Balsillie stated over and over again that if he got a franchise it would win a cup within 5 years, the NHL blocked him through 3 attempted team purchases often granting ownership to people that had no money or paid them to be the face to even introducing one fellow as an owner that never paid a dime towards it. Turns out he may have been right both Vegas and now Seattle seem to be well on their way to cup finals within 5 years, Not a good look for the NHL's flagging teams.
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If Bo wants to stay during a re-? again or still And not at 9 mil a season either. I wonder if Washington would take on Miller for Mantha? Especially if the Canucks retained on the remainder of his current contract as his new one is in effect until September so no automatic retention on that one. The cap could be compromised, I know it is early to post about this but that bankruptcy affects 12 NHL teams revenue stream's.
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Why not? Is there somewhere he will sign? Not Vancouver but where? Yes a perfect fit for Miller with small retention to pry a good large RHD out of them or retain and trade to Winnipeg. Why be worried about the team's reputation now after the last 9 years of chaos. And Miller is from right around Columbus.
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OEL and Myers seem to carry much of the blame but the one player that has hurt the team more than Demko's injury is Pearson's absence. They should not wait for the TDL especially Horvat now because all the world now knows that the Canucks HAVE to trade him so adding retention right now adds the number of suitors. They could do an end around and retain and trade Miller though.
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The team must trade the few good assets, the minus, for very young defencemen with a very good trajectory. Guys on a team that already have many young dmen already on the roster, teams that already have contracts signed for term, teams with too many of one type of player like left or right handed yet or teams that need to win now. Again I come around to Columbus the number of RHD they have already under 25 is a GM's dream. Three under contract for years yet, so many they are rumoured to be willing to move last year's 3rd highest scoring dman because they have 8 more RHD in the system under 24 yrs old. But they have very little in the way of veteran centers or 30 goal scoring forwards. Columbus has solid goaltending, uber deep defence but lack scoring and FO winning centers they will have a projected cap space of 20 million and only 3 players needing new contracts. A perfect fit even to the part of not having Horvat coming back to haunt the team or trading within the division. It could be a win win trade SO it will never happen
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Bo is just a player, no different than Ryan Kesler or Pavel Bure. He now represents stagnation, keeping the status quo which has been not winning his entire career here, rarely even getting close to a playoff spot. There are 30 players out there that can replace Horvat and maybe another 30 yet to be drafted. The only thing that makes him special here is that he is the last link to a winning team of the past. Saying he needs a better "cast" is putting the player ahead of the team, that is called baggage or a complimentary player. Put him on Edmonton, they have a better cast and sure he will be even more valuable. But here, where and when will that new cast come from and will he even still be playing? His window is closing. Not closed but in that direction.
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Ya, mostly it was just going off last years rumours but that might make Schneider more available. Lamorello likes vets and cap certainty. That could be used as an reason for signing a contract that early. It is time and the player coming back and time, they already have loads of top dmen for the next 8 years. Sure maybe it is just hope of a dream but quality for quality. They call Rutherford a big trader well Kekalainen makes him look cautious. Big deals don't scare him. But if not them there are other 20 yrs or so studs that team in the hunt would be willing to look at. It was just going on past rumours that he might be available, there was Schneider as well and a media consensus that they want more scoring as well as NYI. But retention could get a return, something, anything at all. When teams trade a player, they can retain, or keep, some of the players' salary and cap hit. The team keeps a % of both the cap hit and salary for the remainder of the contract. Miller only has one contract right now, the one he is playing under, his next contract isn't in effect until September. So they can retain 50% of the current contract without any of the contract not "legal" or in effect yet. Essentially it isn't about any one particular trade just that trades can happen using retention. Retention adds value to trades. Retention doesn't require having empty cap space just not taking back more than retained. It can be done for 3 trades until those contracts expire. Canucks can retain up to $12.3 million IF they retained 12.3 million that would mean they opened up 12.3 million in empty cap space to be used for new players.
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Boeser, ya they might, but doing it now allows more time for chemistry to form, Tocchet to teach his system, change fan attitudes. Minnesota has two players that have been in the doghouse lately, Dumba and Greenway either could help the Canucks. But ya wait because they could hurt the draft position. They will keep Myers because there are no replacements anywhere, not even FA's and why take two years of extra cap hits for more than what is being paid, a double hit then. Besides big RHD are rare at the TDL next year. A buyout is a waste of ..... Besides Myers is hardly one of the corner stone pieces on the team. OEL was willing to waive his NMC because of Tocchet once and now, one of his interviews was less that endorsing so maybe he waives again. When cap space is talked about very few people realize that retention is using cap space already used. If available empty cap space can be "weaponized" to trade for bad contracts and extra picks then why not cap space already used? To enhance the return on any trades. The longer Horvat can help a team the more valuable he is immediately. Time is money. Cap space is already there. Most of the suggestions were dependant upon IF any trade was made at all. Just to show that trades can be done even with teams that don't have enough space today
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Not Miller, Schneider? Jirieck, they already have 8 NHL defencemen under 26 yrs old, 4 dmen 22 to 24. One thing they can't wait on is a veteran center that is winning FO's, scoring 30 goals a year and stays healthy. The ages also work too, JG is 29, Horvat 29. Ya, I thought of Bailey too but I think he is too important in the room. Lamer isn't shy about trading for hungry vets and their defence is deep too. There was some friction in the Dobson negotiations and I think the Romanov trade before the Miller stuff got out was to either have him replace Dobson or as the trade chip for the Canucks because that signing was really out of left field. That and Lamer likes to have cap certainty so a GM that might have wanted to talk to Miller's agent first or they already did. That trade was thought to be all but done when it disappeared.
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Predict The Score Contest: CBJ @ VAN January 27 2023
ToTellTheTruth replied to goalie13's topic in Canucks Talk
6 - 5 Columbus Laine with the GWG -
They got Kuz in his prime should make some improvement as he learns the NA game more. The term might encourage Pettersson to sign his next contract or match a one year Pettersson extension