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I was with you right up until you said "Isles 1st in play" this team has way too many holes to be trading 1sts like a 3rd line and a 4th line and a couple of big, fast space makers on the top 2 lines we are never going to trade for 3 top 4 defensemen

you have been watching the AHL too long

One more minus in the Allvinie column wasn't Allvin's first move, trading Hamonic and before the shine of that deal had faded he immediately went out and wasted the profit Kinda reminds me of Ol Jimmer swinging the Kesler deal, only to waste all his gains on that deal too oh, how things remain the same in Canuckleville

when people say that the Canucks are a collection on pieces and not a team I think you have shown what that means Edler ands Tanev were a defensive pair before them it was Bieksa and Hamhius Luke Schenn is one half of a defensive pair Hughes tries, but can be outmuscled Bear, OEL, Kaos Giraffe and Stiller are mostly way out of position as you mentioned Beagle, Loui, Rooster and Sutter were defensive forwards rumour has it that Dicky was a defensive forward and that Lazar is now I think Lazar is a "defensive forward" only because he cannot score points ( defensive by default) Remember when there was talk about "Mentoring" a great JB catchphrase weren't B,L,R + S meant to mentor the likes of Horvat on the finer points of defensive coverage? I have to think that good coaching might have helped that plan along that is why I have some hope that Foote (if he can actually coach) will have a positive effect at least he is not Willie/Green/Baumer I just hoe he is not another Doug Lidster, that guy could play defense, but he just couldn't coach it

.I have been thinking that I do not recall OEL as a stand out performer So I went looking to see what I had missed Here it is, OEL's best season 9 years before the big trade no wonder he is not what we'd hoped he never was fyi that is 2012-13 James Norris Memorial Trophy Top Defenseman Share & Export Modify, Export & Share Table Get as Excel Workbook Get table as CSV (for Excel) Get Link to Table About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Data Usage Terms Glossary Place Player Age Tm Pos Votes Vote% 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th G A PTS +/- OPS DPS GPS PS 1 P.K. Subban 23 MTL D 1266 71.12 66 56 35 12 3 11 27 38 12 4.3 2.9 0.0 7.1 2 Ryan Suter 28 MIN D 1230 69.10 65 54 34 8 8 4 28 32 2 2.4 3.6 0.0 6.0 3 Kris Letang 25 PIT D 914 51.35 31 37 42 39 18 5 33 38 16 3.7 2.6 0.0 6.3 4 Francois Beauchemin 32 ANA D 290 16.29 1 6 20 33 39 6 18 24 19 2.0 3.8 0.0 5.8 5 Zdeno Chara 35 BOS D 289 16.24 10 9 16 8 22 7 12 19 14 1.5 3.7 0.0 5.2 6 Duncan Keith 29 CHI D 281 15.79 1 8 16 36 27 3 24 27 16 2.1 3.4 0.0 5.5 7 Oliver Ekman-Larsson 21 PHX D 79 4.44 3 1 2 8 8 3 21 24 5 1.6 2.8 0.0 4.3 8 Shea Weber 27 NSH D 49 2.75 0 1 4 5 7 9 19 28 -2 2.6 2.7 0.0 5.3 9 Drew Doughty 23 LAK D 43 2.42 0 1 2 7 5 6 16 22 4 1.6 3.3 0.0 4.9 10 Niklas Kronwall 32 DET D 33 1.85 0 2 1 3 5 5 24 29 -5 2.4 2.4 0.0 4.8 11 Dion Phaneuf 27 TOR D 28 1.57 0 1 1 4 4 9 19 28 -4 2.7 1.9 0.0 4.6 12 Keith Yandle 26 PHX D 27 1.52 0 0 0 6 9 10 20 30 4 3.2 2.4 0.0 5.6 13 Andrei Markov 34 MTL D 23 1.29 1 0 1 1 5 10 20 30 -9 3.0 1.4 0.0 4.5 14 Alex Pietrangelo 23 STL D 23 1.29 0 2 0 2 3 5 19 24 0 1.8 3.1 0.0 4.9 15 Dustin Byfuglien 27 WPG D 13 0.73 0 0 1 2 2 8 20 28 -1 2.8 1.9 0.0 4.7 16 Dan Hamhuis 30 VAN D 9 0.51 0 0 1 1 1 4 20 24 9 1.9 3.2 0.0 5.0 17 Mike Green 27 WSH D 6 0.34 0 0 0 1 3 12 14 26 -3 3.2 1.3 0.0 4.5 18 Erik Karlsson 22 OTT D 5 0.28 0 0 1 0 0 6 8 14 8 1.7 1.9 0.0 3.6 18 Brooks Orpik 32 PIT D 5 0.28 0 0 1 0 0 0 8 8 17 -0.3 2.9 0.0 2.5 20 Kimmo Timonen 37 PHI D 5 0.28 0 0 0 1 2 5 24 29 3 2.7 2.6 0.0 5.2 21 Dennis Seidenberg 31 BOS D 4 0.22 0 0 0 1 1 4 13 17 18 1.0 3.8 0.0 4.9 22 Dan Girardi 28 NYR D 2 0.11 0 0 0 0 2 2 12 14 -1 0.4 2.3 0.0 2.7 23 Paul Martin 31 PIT D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 6 17 23 14 2.2 2.4 0.0 4.6 23 Sheldon Souray 36 ANA D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 7 10 17 19 1.6 3.4 0.0 4.9 23 Lubomir Visnovsky 36 NYI D 1 0.06 0 0 0 0 1 3 11 14 12 0.9 2.6 0.0 3.6

I think they are all pretty bad but if you go to last summer, 90% of the line ups posted had Highmore, Lammikko and Motte even though Motte was already gone and Lammi and High were unsigned

why is no one talking about Cole Lind?

git er done JB

The Studebaker centering the 2nd line!!! woot

that is the funny part I am not sold on Allvin, but I wonder where we'd be if Ol Jimmer was around for another year? shuttlers

I I really don't understand the love for the 4th liners around here Motte - small , oft injured Lammikko - out of the league Highmore - 46 games last year (oft injured) 46 games this year in the A.. can't make a mediocre StL team Lockwood - small oft injured Joshua - kinda soft, 3rd worst - on team for some reason no one love Petan now falling in love with Gino Odjick, I can understand, but there seems to be an unnatural love for small oft- injured 4th liners I don't get it

I'd take Di Giuseppe over all of them

Tanev played more games than Bo Horvat and OEL since the bubble and he signed for $4.5M and his contract is up after next season still a better choice than OEL

I will admit to not paying much attention to OEL before he came to Vancouver but last season he took a real beating, both dishing hits on bigger guys at taking shots after the whistle I thought he showed emotion last season I felt last year that guys liked to pick on him, possibly because he was the best player on Arizona and getting him off his game was enough to beat that team or maybe its the cowlick if he took as much abuse for ten years in Arizona as he did last season, I can see why he'd be worn out and then there is the fact that he might toil his whole career on terrible teams, maybe that is why he is currently 'checked out' there was talk a month back about New Jimmy wanting out Vancouver is a hard place to play/manage, not because the fans/media are terrible, but because we are fed up with incompetence how would it be to be OEL, toiling away in Arizona, hoping to some day get out and win some games, only to land in Vancouver right in the middle of a melt down, and be the center of attention for a contract you signed 5 years ago in Arizona, (where you were the best player) I wonder about Bo Horvat, in much the same situation, 9 years watching and learning futility, only to be traded to the Isles with 10+, 30+year old players Horvat could find himself in a rebuild in NY within a year or two I look at Chychrun on the trade block, he may excel if he goes to a good team like Boston or Tampa, or might fail if he is expected to lead a bad team

yes but isn't the prez involved in other things Didn't Gillis work to get the Canucks a better schedule? and hasn't that collapsed since he left (take next week as an example) I would think a good scouting GM should also have the task of finding like minded, skilled scouts that was not Gillis' forte, he was an agent, and he brought in Gilman, that most fans were happy with Gillis did fail at reshaping the scouting staff Benning was the scout, but he failed at picking/ retaining quality scouts if you are a great typist, you don't become president and retain your spot in the typing pool

nope, those guys could have been Megna, Chaputie, Vey, Pouliot and the Kaos Giraffe and we'd have done just fine

the King live by different rule than the rest of us

fair enough I never wanted OEL and forcasted his situation last year when he took a beating most nights I was never in love with Markstrom https://www.google.com/search?q=markstrom+playing+with+dolls&oq=markstrom+playing+with+dolls&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160.8984j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9af10c77,vid:rjoCVe8Ijb8 and Tanev's injury history was always a concern So, keeping them past the trade deadline was the mistake In that regard, trading Horvat before its too late give Allvin the leg up on JB for the moment anyway I'm scoring it Benning...................................................................................................Allvin - Trading for Miller (causing the next 3 mistakes) - not trading Miller - not moving Tanev - signing Miller a year early - Not trading Markstrom - not low balling Boeser or letting him walk - trading for Toffoli - trading a 2nd with Dickinson (to protect the Miller pick) + trading Horvat - trading for OEL (+Garland) + signing Kuzy, twice - losing a 1st for OEL -trading for and signing Dicky

I am all for giving a short leash but I try to be negative only 90% of the time I'm using my 10% positivity on Tocchet but unfortunately that doesn't leave any left for management, who lost me last deadline and further lost me signing Boeser and Miller

Myers and Tanev overlap by a year they both played in the bubble Did Ol Jimmer forget that he signed Myers and spent the summer of 2020 trying to sign him again that sort of makes sense actually

how would you like to be jeremy Colliton this year? Hired as Baby Canuck coach, but the Prez backstabs the Canucks head coach, tough to be on the same page with Bruce when its obvious that Bruce isn't here for the long term So, what system is Colliton trying to mesh with? then Tocchet comes in, and doesn't have time to practice with his own players let alone set a system for Colliton to follow tough gig

the funny/sad part of losing Tanev is that JB wanted OEL sooo sooo so bad that he let Tanev walk while pursuing His Man. the OEL trade was so important that it took Ol Jimmer an extra year to complete the deal And here we are 1.5 years after the trade and not only does losing Tanev look like a mistake gaining OEL looks like a bigger mistake

Have you actually looked at the team Tocchet took over in 2009? yes there is Lecav and Marty, and an 18 year old Stamkos BUt after that its pretty thin also 2 players played over 80 games and 6 more played over 70 in his 2 years (1.75) he is coaching with a bunch of rookie assistants and in year 2 he has an associate coach (talk about trust issues) who is really a long time assistant Lots of coaches take a couple of tries before figuring it out Or do you have another reason for the hate-on you seem to have for Tocchet? Sand in your face, kicked your dog, stole your girlfriend???

or Allvinie too bad about that 2nd though

I have actually been calling the Canucks that since about 2000 some times I call them "My Lovable Friends"