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How much did that hat cost you?

And if we can’t - at least drop the second one. Just the one where the city is. And done.

I know you're not pointing fingers directly at Canucks old boys club here, but it seems the general insinuation is that's the group who fired Doerrie. I think it's also a possibility that the other highly competent new women on our staff just couldn't deal with her.

I loved Gelinas - I guess I forgot we got him off waivers. I won't ever forget though when we placed Markstrom on waivers and just bit our nails for 24 hours.

Trying not to be a debbie downer but I sure hope there’s another move coming. As much as I love Schenn, that right side does not inspire a lot of confidence. Though maybe Stillman would be an ok-ish option as full shutdown guy when Myers comes back?!

I'm just happy that most of CDC uses 'would have' these days, rather than would of, could of , should of

Haha yeah - people just need stuff to complain about. "We have nothing the pipeline!" "Psst - you realize that's because they're busy winning Calders and stuff, right?" "OK well...we don't have one guy on the team that spent time in the AHL!" "Demko seems to be doing pretty good, he'll probably be on the team again this year" "You know what I mean, I mean we don't have one skater that was in the AHL" "I don't know what you mean, Demko knows how to skate"

17 minutes in a professional debut is nothing to sneeze at!

I like this because our 2nd and 3rd pairings are both like lite versions of last years 1st and 2nd pairings. Dermott is like a slightly crappier OEL, and Rathbone is a slightly crappier Hughes. So definitely not as good but with way easier minutes. And behind a potentially massive 1st pairing.

Between this and the other view you can make out that Podz also made the first pass to Quinn - a beauty no-look-almost-one-timer. Sedin-esque!

With De Haan gone and Dekeyser looking to be the heir apparent to that hope/dream, it seems this idea is in a tough spot (as much as I like it). A different take I saw on this same idea was that finding a #4 LHD is far easier than finding a #1-#2 RHD. If Hughes-OEL (or OEL-Hughes) can work, then we should have plenty of forward depth to make a trade to fix the D. We could legitimately have zero holes in our entire current lineup with those 2 moves (move one top LHD to RHD and move one forward for a #4 LHD). That still wouldn’t solve depth issues and/or prospect thin-ness, but it would make things look good for this season.

haha yeah, Miller kept picking off the passes meant for Petey and going top shelf while EP just stood there like "wha?!"

A year ago we had one big, juicy trade piece that was playing way above his pay-grade and could legitimately garner a great return for the position we are most lacking. I never wanted to trade JT, and I'm glad we didn't. At this point, the only option I think is Garland. For a team to give up on the type of value we need, he's the only player that's playing lights out on a team-friendly deal. And accordingly, he's been proposed quite often. But I wouldn't want to trade him either. Another thing occurred to me - and I wouldn't want to do this either...what about Podkolzin? Throughout the league I think execs would be licking their chops at what he is and what he projects to become. If there were a similarly exciting, similarly aged RHD (like a Braden Schneider or something) - would anyone here dig that deep and trade such an exciting prospect?

That’s a good point - patience. I was never super against JB, from the start though my biggest hesitation was he always seemed to shoot from the hip. I don’t even know how true that was, he just seemed to always make snap/gut decisions with little regard for due diligence and thoughtful research.

Not every level - we miss healthy Tanev soooo badly. In fact, if we could add peak, healthy Tanev to this roster as it’s currently constructed - maybe we would be in shape to make some real noise.

When I'm putting my lineups together I try to put someone who is more pass-first on a wing on each line. This is pretty good. It would be nice for Horvat to finally have someone adept at getting him the puck though. So I tried this: Mikheyev Miller Garland Podkolzin Pettersson Boeser Kuzmenko Horvat Hoglander Pearson Lazar Dickinson

I remember watching a Leafs game once with a buddy who's a huge Leafs fan (I've lived in Toronto almost 20 years and have probably watched less than a dozen of their games). After Phil the Thrill had made a big rush and a good scoring chance my buddy started yelling, 'Now watch, watch!" I couldn't believe it, as the play started going the other way, Kessel let out a deep breath, he was soooo tired, and slowly skated off the ice behind the play. He wasn't even to the bench yet when the other team scored.

It’s actually not bad when you think about it. The top pairing is an absolute beast if they gel. Dermott Myers is a poor man’s OEL Myers Rathbone Schenn is a poor man’s Hughes Schenn

The next on the list is playing in Calgary? Seems the “goodness” of the deal must have had something to do with it.

It's certainly an interesting discussion - and an interesting way of trying to qualify the discussion. I found this graph from a couple years back - if you track McDavid forward to about 500 games and about 700 points, only Wayne and Mario are really above him. Crosby, Lindros, Howe, Beliveau and Forsberg are tracking nearby. Pretty good company. So if (according to this graph) they are era-adjusted to Gretzky a bit over 900 points at 500 games and McDavid about 700 points in 500 games - that would equal out to McDavid at about 75% as good as Gretzky - that's about what I would have said. Not including Mario and Orr, the very, very best of each era might match up to about 75% of Gretzky. I'm good with that.

Right - I think the Canucks want to be lower than this and Miller wants it to be considerably higher. If the discussion found its way to this middle ground and Miller would sign for around 7 x 7.5 (which I doubt he would, but for sake of the argument) … would us Canuck fans then want to keep him? Despite all the arguments about the RHD and team growth etc? I would.

Agreed on every point. As a kid I was a diehard Gretzky/Oilers fan - I’ve never budged for an inch on the fact that Gretzky is not just the greatest player of all time but head and shoulders above the other best players. Like the way the Top 100 players points jump from 10-20 points all the way from 99th spot to 2nd spot. And then from the 2nd spot to 1st the jump is 1000 points. But even I wouldn’t say McDavid is only 60% as good as Wayne.

Haha - good point. I stand corrected.

That’s exactly the point. No player is untradeable. It just takes someone to pay more than he’s worth. Dobson (who was the point where this discussion started) doesn’t actually seem that unattainable. McDavid on the other hand - what package could be put together to overpay for him? No clue. But he’s still not unattainable. Nobody is.

Yup, as long as the league lets all four of them play in Millers spot at the same time.