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  1. Outstanding post. Good work and lots of thought. A top pairing RHD would cost a lot, IF you could find one available. I'm thinking it may take more than picks and prospects.
  2. Part Deux - outlines trades by Pacific Division GMs from 2014 draft. (Just raw numbers. Draw your own conclusions) As a general rule, not many GMs are great traders. Benning seems to be better than satisfactory at acquiring warm bodies, not so much with acquiring draft picks. Edmonton Oilers GM: Craig MacTavish 2013, fired April 24, 2014; Peter Chiarelli April 24, 2013, fired January 22, 2019; (interim) Keith Gretzky, January 22, 2019 to May 7, 2019; Ken Holland hired May 7, 2019. Total number of trades: 48 (MacTavish 6, Chiarelli 31, Gretzky 2, Holland 9) # of players traded away: 56 (MacTavish 5, Chiarelli 26, Gretzky 2, Holland 8) # of players acq. in trade: 56 (MacTavish 5, Chiarelli 25, Gretzky 2, Holland 9) # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 –10 – E. Bear; C. Jones; D. Caggiula; R. Strome; P. Maroon; J. Petry; D. Perron; N. Schultz; T. Hall; C. Talbot # of players acquired in trade playing on Edmonton’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 3 - W. Foegele; D. Keith; Z. Kassian. # of draft picks surrendered: 20 # of draft picks acquired: 27 ===================== Calgary Flames GM: Brad Treliving, hired April 28, 2014 Total number of trades: 34 Total # of players traded away: 23 Total number of players acquired: 32 # of Players Traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 4 – A. Fox, D. Hamilton; K.Russell; B. Kulak # of Players acquired in trade playing on Calgary’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 5 - N. Hanifin; E. Lindholm; M. Lucic; T. Pitlick; N. Zadorov # of draft picks surrendered: 19 # of draft picks acquired: 14 ===================== Los Angeles Kings GM: Dean Lombardi, fired April 10, 2017; Rob Blake, hired April 10, 2017) Total number of trades: 36 (Lombardi 14; Blake 22) Total # of players traded away: 37 Total number of players acquired: 31 # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 – 14 - B. Bishop; D. Forbort; A. Martinez, T. Toffoli; J. Campbell, K. Clifford; C. Hagelin; N. Thompson; J. Muzzin; D. Kuemper; T. Pearson; M. Jones; C. Miller; E. Cernak # of players acquired in trade playing on LA’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 4 - V. Arvidsson; O. Maatta; T. Moore; C. Grundstrom # of draft picks surrendered: 11 # of draft picks acquired: 19 ===================== San Jose Sharks GM: Doug Wilson , hired May 13, 2003 Total number of trades: 37 Total # of players traded away: 33 Total number of players acquired: 30 # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 – 9 - A. Stalock; B. Goodrow; B. Dillon; J. Norris; C. Tierney; R. Balcers; D. DeMelo; M. Hoffman; J. Demers # of players acquired in trade playing on SJ’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 2 or 3 - M. Jones (?); E. Kane; E. Karlsson # of draft picks surrendered: 27 # of draft picks acquired: 23 ===================== Vegas Golden Knights (only five years of data) GM: George McPhee, promoted to VP; Kelly McCrimmon, hired May 2, 2019. Total number of trades: 41 (McPhee 29, McCrimmon 11) Total # of players traded away: 33 Total number of players acquired: 30 # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 – 12 – E. Brannstrom; N Suzuki; C. Glass; C. Miller; E. Haula; T.Tatar; T. Van Riemsdyk; N. Holden; M.A. Fleury; M. Subban; N. Schmidt; R. Reaves # of players acquired in trade playing on Vegas’ 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 9 – E. Dadonov; N. Patrick; B. Howden; R. Lehner; A. Martinez; C. Stevenson; R. Smith; A. Tuch; S. Theodore # of draft picks surrendered: 27 # of draft picks acquired: 30 ===================== Anaheim Ducks GM: Bob Murray , hired November 12, 2008 Total number of trades: 56 Total # of players traded away: 45 Total number of players acquired: 52 # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 – 17 – N. Bonino; W. Karlsson; K. Palmieri; C. Hagelin; P. Maroon; F. Andersen; S. Theodore; C. Wagner; M. Pettersson; L. Schenn; B. Montour; M. Del Zotto; O. Kase; D. Sprong; D. Shore; N. Ritchie; D. Grant # of players acquired in trade playing on SJ’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 3 – A. Henrique; D. Grant (acquired in trade and later traded); N. Deslauriers # of draft picks surrendered: 25 # of draft picks acquired: 16 ===================== Vancouver Canucks GM: Jim Benning, hired May 23, 2014 Total number of trades: 41 Total # of players traded away: 38 Total number of players acquired: 39 # of players traded away who are still on any NHL 23 man roster as of October 15/21 – 8 - N. Schmidt; A. Roussel; J. Beagle; L. Player Name; S. Gagner; M. Del Zotto; N. Bonino; Z. Kassian # of players acquired in trade playing on Vancouver’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 7 - O. Ekman-Larsson; C. Garland; J. Dickinson; JT Miller; T. Pearson; T. Motte; B. Sutter # of draft picks surrendered: 21 # of draft picks acquired: 13 ===================== A couple of things: 1. Does anybody know what Bob Murray's master plan is in Anaheim? Seems like he specializes in developing players for other teams. 2. Chiarelli was bad at GMing. 3. Again Vegas wants to trade for stars to win now and every year. Imagine that. Thanks to all for their positive reception to my adventures down the rabbit hole. You might want to merge the two posts to get trading and drafting all on one page.
  3. ****Long post, but worthwhile. I wasn't going to do this, but I thought I'd do a deep dive on how Benning has done at the draft table since 2014. (I also did an analysis of all the trades in the Pacific Division in the same time period, which would double the size of this post, so I have left it out. I may post it later if people are interested) Then I did similar analysis for all other teams in the Pacific except Seattle. And Vegas has only a four year history so their numbers can't really be compared to Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Anaheim, San Jose and L.A. Caveat: there are bound to be minor errors. Edmonton # players drafted by Edmonton since 2014: 55 # players drafted now playing on Edmonton’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 3 - L. Draisaitl; C. McDavid; K. Yamamoto # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 4 – C. Jones; E. Bear; J. Eberle; T. Hall # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: E. Bouchard; T. Benson Total NHL man games of all Edmonton draftees since May 23/14: 1,383 ================== Calgary # players drafted by Calgary since 2014: 52 # players drafted now playing on Calgary’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21; 5 – R. Andersson; D. Dube; M. Tkachuk; J. Valimaki, A. Mangiapane # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 2 – A. Fox; S. Bennett # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: O. Kylington Total NHL man games of all Calgary draftees since May 23/14: 1,572 ================== Los Angeles # players drafted by Los Angeles since 2014: 54 # players drafted now playing on LA’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: - 6 - A. Kempe; M. Roy; G. Vilardi; M. Anderson; J. Anderson-Dolan; A. Wagner # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere: 1 – E. Cernak. # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: T. Bjornfot; A. Turcotte; Q. Byfield, L. Andersson Total NHL man games of all LA draftees since May 23/14: 1,130 ================== San Jose # players drafted by SJ since 2014: 57 # players drafted now playing on SJ’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: - 5 - T. Meier; R. Balcers; D. Gambrell; M. Ferraro; K. Labanc # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 1 – J. Norris # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: J. Dahlen Total NHL man games of all SJ draftees since May 23/14: 1,103 ================== Vegas # players drafted by SJ since 2017: 40 # players drafted now playing on Vegas’ 23 man roster as of October 15/21: - 1 – N. Hague # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 3 – E. Brannstrom; N Suzuki; C. Glass # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: P. Krebs; C Dahlstrom Total NHL man games of all Vegas’ draftees since Oct. 2017: 350 ================== Anaheim # players drafted by Anaheim: 53 # players drafted now playing on Anaheim’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: - 5 – J. Larsson; M. Jones; S. Steel; M. Comtois; I. Lundestrom; T. Terry # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 4 – N. Ritchie; B. Montour; M. Pettersson; O. Kase # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: T. Zegras; J. Drysdale Total NHL man games of all Anaheim draftees since May 23/14: 1,784 ================== Vancouver # players drafted by Vancouver: 54 # players drafted now playing on Vancouver’s 23 man roster as of October 15/21: 7 - T. Demko; B. Boeser; ; E. Pettersson; Q. Hughes; N. Hoglander; V. Podkolzin; J. Rathbone # players drafted now playing in top 23 elsewhere as of October 15/21: 3 – J. McCann; A. Gaudette, O. Juolevi # players on the cusp of making it to the 23 man roster: W. Lockwood, J M. DiPietro Total NHL man games of all Vancouver draftees since May 23/14: 1,811 ================== A couple of brief observations: 1. Vegas is clearly in a "trade for stars to win now" mode. Vegas hates losers. 2. Vancouver draftees since 2014 have played more NHL games than any other Pacific Division team. 3. There is a perception that Vancouver hasn't had as many picks as other teams. The numbers don't bear this out. 4. Vancouver's seven draft picks on the 23 man roster is the most in the Pacific Division. 5. Watch out for L.A. in another year or two.
  4. I can see the wisdom in sending Rathbone to Abbotsford for the simple reason that he'd be guaranteed top-pairing minutes. In the AHL he will get what he's been missing most, which repetitions that can only come from playing games that matter. He doesn't have to learn the defensive game; he already knows what it takes, but he needs to play a lot in all situations to hone the skills he has. Having said that, Vancouver's sole mission is to finish as high in the standings as possible, and if that means bringing Rathbone up to play regular minutes, then I believe he'd be up for the challenge. He's that good.
  5. Yes, but did you also see how he handled the puck in traffic? Goals will come for him. It's only his second game since March. Don't worry.
  6. I'm thinking there will be a number of good players on waivers on Sunday. I think this is the last day teams have to declare their starting 23 man roster. Is this correct? Anbody?
  7. I think consensus has been achieved. As Ray Ferraro often says, It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the Really Good. Even if it was, Kesler still wouldn't make the cut, and in my opinion, is not deserving of a spot in the Ring of Honour. Unless you can somehow spin his leaving here was in any way honourable, the most we can do is to thank him for his play while in Vancouver. Full stop.
  8. Calgary has always had this obsession with the white hats, adopting it as a tourism symbol back in 1962. They even have a yearly gala dinner that recognizes excellence in tourism marketing. I'm guessing the prize is a white hat. Which calls for the old joke, What is the main similarity between hemorrhoids and cowboy hats? Sooner or later every a**hole has one.
  9. Fifth team in 30 months for Guddy. Put another way, four teams acquired him and found him less than satisfactory. Hell of a nice guy, not good at hockey.
  10. I am just hopeful that the local TV channels give them ZERO coverage. The one thing that idiots hate is to be ignored. Honestly, if nobody responds to them, they'd simply drift away. The absolute last thing to give these people is acknowledgement and attention.
  11. Blues all day and all night. Joe Bonamassa, Buddy Guy, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Gary Clark Jr., but also little known folks like Dave Alvin, Blues Bones, Brothers Landreth or Eric Bibb. Love all forms of music with two exceptions: old-time country and virtually all jazz. I'm good with pretty much anything else.
  12. ...it turns out to be a train coming right at you.
  13. What is so important about finding someone to blame? Does assigning blame make things all right again? Doesn't matter whether the US leaves Afghanistan today or in 2050, their departure will leave a vacuum which will be filled by the biggest, meanest bullies on the block and people will die. The US has learned, as the British in the 19th century and the Russians in the 20th, that the Afghanis enjoy homefield advantage and that trying to win a war in Afghanistan is impossible, partly because it is their homeland and partly because of their deep commitment to their religious beliefs. You can kill a person, but you can't kill the idea, and killing one terrorist simply multiplies the numbers that come after. It's like a gigantic game of whack-a-mole, only the moles have guns and RPGs and they seem to breed like rabbits.
  14. Just so I get this straight, is the purpose of drafting good players to get them playing at a high level so you can trade them, or is the goal to draft good players who will help win hockey games? Seems like every time a Canuck becomes a star player, the inevitable armchair GMs want to trade them. I can't imagine a GM saying to an owner, "Yes of course our best player puts fans in seats and money in your pocket, but I can deal him for a player of similar ability and talent because our guy will eventually decline and you wouldn't want to be stuck with an albatross contract, would you?" To which the owner would likely say, "How about you keep the guy and thereby demonstrate a commitment to winning for the other players on the team?" Who is going to want to play here if they think that if they perform at a high level, they are likely to be traded because you know, futures?
  15. Nicely put. Change is inevitable. This causes one of two reactions: violent opposition or no reaction at all. When I was a young hockey fan, fans debated whether or not goalies should wear masks or that wearing one showed cowardice. But the game changed. I was an enthusiastic fan when there was only one player in the NHL with a helmet, and many were opposed to players wearing helmets. Same thing with face shields or visors; there were those (cough-Cherry-cough) who questioned a player's masculinity if he chose to protect his eyes because real hockey players are fearless and if they lose an ice, just get the trainer to ice it down and they're back on the ice. But the game changed. Believe it or not, in the early 60's there was debate over the use of the slap shot. Hockey purists would argue that hockey didn't have slap shots for sixty or seventy years, so it should be outlawed. But the game changed. Same thing with curved blades, which were thought to be dangerous because the shooter was never quite sure where the puck would be going and goalies were facing shots of a type they'd never seem before. But the game changed. Then there was rink board advertising, which the purists reviled but which quickly became almost invisible to the viewers focussed on the game and not the boards. But the game changed. It took a young girl getting fatally injured in a hockey game for the league to direct netting at both ends of the ice. Fans, and especially season ticket holders, were furious. But the game changed. Then came sponsorship of every imaginable aspect of the game, from the puck drop, to the face-offs, to everything that was a noun or verb. But the game changed. Now we've gone through a season with corporate logos on helmets. I have to be honest that I paid no attention to them and found them innocuous. The point is that hockey, the way it is played and the way it is marketed, are constantly evolving. And still, the traditionalists throw tantrums and predict dire consequences or advocate boycotts or swear off every watching hockey again. Until the next game or the next season. With changes in hockey you have only two options: hop on the change train and enjoy the journey, or stay in the station and whine about how the game isn't the same as it used to be. Up to you.
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