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  1. I understand the sentiment Deb and could agree... except Petey and Hughes aren't at the end of their careers (ala Sedins). They're professional hockey players and another year without the playoffs won't actually hurt them that much. I'd rather look three years down the road when they are in their prime. We longer have the option of Madden or a second round pick anymore in their futures. Would you rather have Toffoli for 24 games plus a few in the playoffs (I don't think he'll impact our playoff chances one way or the other very much) or a Gaudette (Madden isn't Gaudette... he's lighter (con) and more skilled (pro) at the same PPG as Gaudette) and a Hoglander (if we draft well... this is a deep draft) in our prospect pool. As a Canucks fan for about 35 years, I take the long sustainable view and choose Madden and a second everytime over a rental who really is a fringe second liner (doesn't drive play) for 24 plus a few... unfortunately our management agrees with your point of view and wants things now. That is not a rebuild! Man... I hate this trade... I get the sentiment and the meaning behind it, but it is so short sighted (focus on this year) and short term... in other words, we would be better overall and in the future without this trade. But, I respect your opinion...
  2. Yes, it would shorten our window... that's why we shouldn't do it... we would be the Canucks circa 2011 with a younger small core, but our window would shrink... That was the purpose of this thread. To see if we can remain competitive over the next few years (not our cup window anyways) while retaining our assets. I think my answer is "yes", we can do it. If you will read my original post you will see this. The only thing I am hopeful for is that somehow someone takes on Baertschi, even if we have to give up a fourth round(-ish) pick.
  3. Yes, but it would be good to get him off now... need to resign Jake and Markstrom among others. When you look at the numbers, we need him gone ASAP...
  4. BINGO! I even forgot about Baertschi... I guess you could defend JB here because when he was signed it looked like Sven could be a top six winger so we gave him a bridge. But Beagle and Eriksson I never understood... Hence the reason I created this post... better times are coming, but not before these mostly "useless" players are gone. I also don't mind the Myers contract. He will be better next year. He's overpaid by about $1 million but the term is palatable. You only need to look at Winnipeg to see that he has value (I know they're missing Byfuglien and Trouba too).
  5. Signing Eriksson (and Beagle for that matter) to crap contracts isn't a function of becoming a good team... it's just overpriced contracts. I'm not blaming JB for these contracts, but there's no way to defend them and "better" GMs just don't have these contracts on their teams. I haven't looked, but do Tampa or Washington have any terrible contracts?
  6. It does if we manage to move Baertschi and don't resign some of our free agents. I feel like we're speaking two different languages so probably not worth arguing I'd love to see your forward list (14 forwards with contracts amounts) with and without Eriksson just to prove my point...
  7. Your roster should also include a 14th forward, the Luongo recapture penalty, the Spooner buyout hit...
  8. Your roster from page 2 has a few contracts that may be underestimated and I'd love to see the cap hits beside all of your players because I don't think they have the bonuses included (which Pettersson and Hughes will both hit for sure). There is no "relative ease" about the cap next year and we can't carry over bonuses because 2021-2022 is even worse. I'd love to see your rosters with actual numbers. I've also never heard any professional recently guess that Markstrom would sign for $5 million. If he does, that would be incredible but he's closer to 5.5-6...
  9. Exactly what I wrote in my original post except I'm hopeful they can sign Edler to a one year deal after this one expires. Feel like he will take the hometown discount to be on a team that is getting close to contention...
  10. I pray something like this happens but it isn't likely given JBs track record with trades like this... just don't bet on it... but nice find!
  11. Hey... I'd love for this guy to retire but you can't depend on it. Everyone loves them some money! I promise there's no agreement between him and the team that he's retiring early. This is a professional athlete with pride... If we had to give up a second, it's not worth it. Not with our drafting... Demko and Hoglander (and later picks like Madden and Gaudette) say "Hi". I feel like you have a tendency to overvalue or undervalue our players to your benefit (overvalue Eriksson so he can be tradeable and undervalue Pettersson and Hughes to fit them under the cap).
  12. Tell me a single D-man on that list you'd trade for Hughes and a single forward you'd trade for Pettersson and I'd love to be the GM to take Pettersson and Hughes off your hands. They are better than any of those you listed already... and younger. Brayden Point and Rantanen are the closest but they are on elite teams and their linemates are inflating their stats...
  13. Not sure you're understanding... if we buyout Eriksson he is no longer on our roster so he needs to be replaced by another player... Here's the example: Don't buy him out = $6 million against the cap Buy him out = $4 million against the cap but need to fill the roster spot he leaves (so add Leivo at $2 million for example)... that also equals $6 million (basically replacing Eriksson with Leivo) What you're not understanding is that buying him out creates an extra "one player hole" on our roster that must be filled (replacing him is the cost of the buyout + the player you replace him with)
  14. I agree 20 to get both done long term, that's why I think Hughes is getting a bridge deal next time around. He has no arbitration rights and we will have to play hardball with him. Not sure Petey is getting quite 11 (I predicted 10), but we're close for sure...
  15. I'm not sure it's all doom and gloom... have you read my original post (bless you if you could make it through)? I do agree our D-depth will be impacted next year (Tanev), but our forwards won't be and I'm hoping that one of our promising D's can step up next year a bit (Rafferty, Juolevi, Brisebois). Also, Stecher would have to play more minutes, which I think he can. And Hughes will be better next year and I bet Myers will be better being his second year with a new team. I'd argue he's been a little bit better recently even (5 goals in the last month). I do not support setting draft picks or A-B+ level prospects just to dump cap. Gillis went all in in 2011 and we all know how that went. The team is finally recovering. I would rather build the way Tampa has. Give yourself a chance every year and don't sell your future to do it. I know we aren't there yet but I'd prefer a competitive team every year in the playoffs than one who's favored to win the cup one year (like our 2011 team).
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