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I would have included this in the quote from the article as well. Roy said her association is surveying the situation and is consoled that for the moment, the numbers of COVID-19 cases appear to be plateauing. She said the number of cases in day camps so far is not alarming, but she is urging camps, and those who work at them, to be more careful and adhere to public health guidelines, otherwise it could adversely affect the reopening of schools. The Quebec Association of Pediatricians sounded the alarm in May about long-term harm that could come from a long-term interruption in schooling. On Wednesday, Roy said those who are already delayed will likely fall further behind after a long period without formal education. Schools are also a good resource for children who are malnourished and can provide resources for those who come from violent households
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Yes, for sure Japan is more structured but Canada is also the land of peace, order and good government. Here nursery and kindergarten kids do not wear masks. At my kids school they don't wear them for PE and lunch or playing outside during a break. Other countries like Austria abandoned mask use when they saw little spread. Other countries like Sweden have never had masks and their schools don't spread. I guess it hasn't been decided if kids will wear masks or not In BC? I don't think it would be a bad idea to start out like you said. Calm fears. Here is video of what happens when you make masks mandatory without buy in. This is in California. From 17 seconds to about 4.10 you can see the gong show. Some countries don't want people wearing masks because like in the video it becomes only a symbolic act and all the other practices are dumped. This is the US so bit of an extreme. But you see it here. People not wearing them properly, touching their faces every few seconds and not observing any distancing cause they are 'safe' and reusing them again and again. I am not anti-mask and do wear one in certain contexts but the research on their use in real settings is pretty spotty. Here is some data that was done back in 2015 regarding the flu
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I think so. I think winter flu deaths will also be down in some countries because of Covid this past winter. Most of Euro was having a mild flu season until Covid hit, which again means these people who would normally be taken by the flu were taken by Covid unfortunately. And now the upcoming winter there are fewer people to take because Covid got greedy last winter. Toss in all the safety measures now as well. As long as there is lots of testing there is going to be lots of infections. I read 750,000 tests are conducted daily, Tests for flu don't even come close to that number - it is the top story every night. Most of the cases they have now where I am are reported as mild - so they are testing and reporting people who are slightly sick and went to the doctor and got tested because they were scared. How many of them would normally go to the doctor with mild symptoms. The best thing they could do is just self-isolate and wait rather than rush to the doctor and make the evening news. Where I am the gov't just needs to keep reminding people that if you have any kind of symptom stay home and stay away from family. It is the smartest thing anyone can do. Most infections are from symptomatic people. In other words people who have clear symptoms are the main spreaders.
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In other words the healthy part of the population will continue to get infected to certain rates with few deaths and hospitalizations like we are seeing now. And with all the testing that is going on Covid will be in the news for a long time to come. We are already seeing this big wave right now. Everywhere infections are up.
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I don't think it is a foregone conclusion. And will it really be like the first one? For example are we going to see 80% of all fatalities occurring in care homes - highly unlikely. As you mention as well we are going to have all the other seasonal illnesses tossed in to the mix and competing. Better treatments, better awareness and practice and then other illnesses will be in play. Around the world we are seeing an increase in infections, but deaths and hospitalizations in most countries is dropping or stable. It's not killing in say Italy like it was. So much of this second wave depends on how you want to define it. It will definitely not be like the first one.
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My impression of Dr. Henry is that she is highly competent and sound and BC has been extremely lucky to have someone like her. She has impressed me. As parents it is hard to see how all this impacted our kids. But once your kids starting going back to school everyone will see happier children like I did.
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I think we are talking about different things. I get your point. I have looked at studies that show that child to parent is quite low. I have pasted info from an official Covid site saying the same thing. Of course as it points out nothing is completely clear. But as I have mentioned here we went back full on since June and there have been a few cases with kids getting sick (no deaths) but spreading in families or schools. I think this is partly due to people following guidelines. The schools moved in stages. Even now we are hitting infection highs but it is not involving the schools or families. People in BC are probably worried but the experiment so to speak has already been happening in Asia for a while because of when our schools start. Children do transmit to others but more evidence is needed on the frequency and extent of that transmission. We do not yet know for sure how common transmission from children is compared to transmission from adults. We know that children are capable of transmission to others, but the frequency and extent of this transmission remains under investigation, and this is a question where only weak, and sometimes contradictory evidence, is available. For example, multiple studies indicate that children have viral loads and shed virus in similar amounts to adults, which might indicate risk of transmission is similar across age groups. Without a doubt transmission from child-to-child and child-to-adult can occur, but a number of studies find children, particularly young children, are less likely to be source of infection in households and other settings, compared to adults. A number of these studies conclude that a majority of documented transmissions between children and adults have occurred from adults to children, rather than the other way around, but more detailed information is needed to fully understand this dynamic. There is new evidence, including from a recent comprehensive study from South Korea, suggesting there is an age gradient in terms of transmission risk from children, meaning younger children (<10 years old) are less likely to transmit compared to adults, while older children (10 and older) may transmit at levels similar to adults.
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if you want something more sensational look at tiger attacks on rural populations in India.
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Japan has 18 million kids in class at the moment. They have to date documented 10-20 students being infected in some way. But not traced to the schools or the home for that matter. What is the math on that? Other Asian countries are the same.
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where I am right now 18 million kids are in school at this moment. There are no reported cases of kids infecting parents and the parents dying or being hospitalized or grandparents for that matter. In total they have had 10 or so kids reported with infections since May. No school clusters or multiple kids in a classroom for that matter. Parents are also working so these kids could have been infected from their parents or wherever, but even that is quite low. A typical class here at the primary school is 30 students on average. If kids and schools were a problem they would be shut down - its been 3 months now and for the past 2 full days. But the facts from Asia where kids are in school is they are not getting sick at school and are not bringing it home and infecting people. Dr. Bonnie I am sure is aware of this and that is why schools will be back on in the fall with guidelines.
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The chance of a child infecting a parent is extremely low, especially under 10 years old. Single digits if I recall.
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from the article, quote of owner "Ninety-nine per cent of our customers have been amazing," said Stodola
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Line combinations for the Canucks in the play-ins and beyond
samurai replied to Patel Bure's topic in Canucks Talk
Sutter and Beagle basically the same role. Ferland not much hockey played this year. Gaud and Mac I would insert for sure and Jake as well I think your 1-2 and 4 are very very probably. 3 i wonder about Ferland's lack of hockey this year, but hard to think that Green will not want 2 vets between Gaud. Gaud has too much O upside to leave him out. He is a lot stronger this year and again as the season went on he just kept getting better. He is a kid that seems to like the big games. D wise i dont think there are any better options then what you have laid out. -
Because the research on their effectiveness in 'real' situations basically doesn't exist which in itself is somewhat hard the believe. Again Japan is a mask wearers heaven and the infections rates are now faster then they ever have been.
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Good question, but there is next to no research on the use of masks outside of controlled settings.
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Or without a mask, cough or sneeze in your arm away from people, and preferably do it outdoors and make sure you are two meters away. Sure confined space, poor air circulation and many people no doubt a mask is a good idea especially if you are going to be in that space for over 15 minutes. The example you show is of course in a controlled research setting. Japan is about 95% plus mask wearing in all contexts - probably higher. But the virus is now setting records for infections - not deaths or hospitalizations.
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good reminder to cover your mouth when you cough.
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Says data updated March 20th - ha ha!
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in Japan I would guess close to 95% plus of the population has been wearing a mask pretty much all the time since the beginning of Feb. Right now daily infections are at records highs - hmm. Deaths are very low. I think 1 last week. For those of you interested. Limited numbers of fans are allowed to attend sporting events - soccer, baseball, and sumo. I think it is about 5000. The plan to increase to 10,000 is on hold for now.
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The stats and research on child fatality or serious illness from Covid 19 is very clear regardless of where you are from. Whether or not kids should go to school when there is no wider community control is a different matter. Schools in this situation just add to the problem.
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With my kids it was hard to see how not going to school impacted them mentally during the closure. But once they did go back it was easy to see how hard it had been on them. It was night and day. If they had been grey during the closure they turned bright yellow once they got to go back. School is such an important part of the their social life and development.
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I am talking about school openings in situations where the community spread is low. But we are probably on the same page in that if you do not have it under some kind of control in the wider community than that should be sorted before allowing kids to go back to school.
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I have lived around the world and when people ask me about Vancouver and this applies to BC on the whole what i say is people are pretty health conscience. Vancouver is an outdoor city. I think pretty good hygiene as well. Taking a shower or bath everyday is pretty normal in BC. Most places you go to are quite clean. I agree people in Canada are exposed to too much American media and it distorts what we thinking is happening in Canada. BC has more in common with Northern Euro cultures and Asia than it does with Texas or Florida.
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This article is quite informative and mentions masking wearing in ' some' German schools. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-openings-across-globe-suggest-ways-keep-coronavirus-bay-despite-outbreaks This what it says about Germany Elsewhere, masks are less central. In some schools in Germany, students wear them in hallways or bathrooms, but can remove them when seated at their (distantly spaced) desks. Austria reopened with this approach, but abandoned masks for students a few weeks later, when officials observed little spread within schools. In Canada, Denmark, Norway, the United Kingdom, and Sweden, mask wearing was optional for both students and staff. In Japan kids have to wear masks, but few schools have the plastic sheets for the desks and they don't wear shields. Kindergarten and nursery they have never worn masks cause the kids will not wear them. Kids at all levels here do not have to wear masks for gym or playing outside. The heat is a big concern here for people wearing masks. I am guessing in BC kids will have to wear them for a while?