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Sorry, yes kids can spread - not staying they don't. No question. But they are not very good at it. There are numerous experts and articles (including research) on this. Schools here are in full swing - it's been about 3 months and 2 of those have been regular as you can get - 9 to 3 pm. They are served lunch as well. There are obvious guidelines and there have been no problems (problems with other places like bars, live houses and so forth). Here is an article I just pulled off. I was told uni's in North America are going online again. But here classes are slowly being held in class again with guidelines. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony
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Yes, when I meant risk I was talking about serious health complications including death. Definitely, not immune and they can spread but as we are seeing here in Japan schools (kids) are not spreaders - same in Vietnam. S Korea, and so forth Someone asked me for my evidence and the fact Asia is back in school without problems is evidence enough. However, there are numerous studies and experts who argue that schools are not spreaders and that with proper guidelines they will be fine. That is playing out here. I just pulled this off the net. Here when parents were told that kids would go back many parents were of course nervous but pretty much everyone went back. 2 months in now it is a non-issue. Summer vacation here has been shortened to 2 weeks to make up for the lost time. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony
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I don't think the research supports the position that children are at risk. BC's data trajectory and overall handling has more on common with say Japan and Korea than it does the UK or Texas. I have two children in primary school.
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Asian schools are in session right now. 18 million kids in Japan are now back for 5 plus hours a day. After schools activities are ongoing as well. This has been going on since early June - count the days. No deaths, clusters, or mini clusters. Nothing traced to a single school. What exactly are you talking about when you say children are being put at risk? The research out of Euro and most places have been very clear that schools especially at the primary level were not infection spots right from the start. And what is more the evidence of children infecting someone else in the family is anecdotal at best - a few cases world wide!
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Terrible to see the police doing this. Watch from about 2:50 on this video for about 5 minutes. Two doctors sharing what they know about masks.
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Why not just clear Loui’s contract by attaching a 1st like the Leafs did?
samurai replied to EP40.'s topic in Canucks Talk
wonder if instead of Demko you do Oli instead? Demko was just starting to heat up. He is a huge asset for this club either in net or as a trade option. Part of a salary dump is a no go. -
18 million kids are back in school in Japan. My kids are there all day now. One case of a teacher infected, and a few students in all of Japan - but not contracted at school. Not from the same schools or regions either. No cluster reported at any schools - Kids have been back since mid-May. It started 2 hours a day and most places it is back to normal with obvious guidelines. Classes on uni campus are now gradually being opened. Summer vacation for schools was shortened to only 2 weeks. From the start of August many uni's are starting intensive on campus courses for those that cannot be done online.
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for reference close to 22 million people live in Beijing.
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My kids are now back for 4 hours a day. They are extremely happy to be back - night and day. I am in Japan. All the schools including high schools have gone back with guidelines that are probably similar to BC. Masks, smaller class sizes, windows open, regular hand washing, temp check before leaving the house, and not much more than that. The school goes until the end of July. So keeping kids out or giving parents the option isn't really an option. I think it is close to 11 million kids and so far no clusters have occurred. And I haven't heard of any cases of large numbers of parents holding their kids back. Going back to school is happening all over the world so yeah the big picture is very positive. Summer vacation here is only going to be 2 weeks for the kids.
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the king of comedy
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It has predominantly been an echo chamber (fear mongering, trump, dumb America, and hard lockdown) created by about 6-7 of you to be used to give each other emojis or digital pats on the backs. Your go to for the emojis is of course Trump.
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Saskatchewan. 30s and 40s and not sure if it carried on into the 50s. Many Primary schools had inspection every morning. Hands were checked to see if they were clean including no dirt under the nails. Asked if they washed/bath, combed and brushed their teeth. Shoes were checked as well. Records were kept. Viruses like Polio were still around and many people couldn't just hop in a car for a quick trip to the hospital. My uncle died before his teens in 44 from a disease that nobody dies from anymore nor requires any real hospitalization. Different times and my own opinion is that people don't take hygiene as seriously as they used to do a few decades ago. We got medicines, technologies, accessibility and wealth so we don't worry about it.
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In Japan they of course have janitorial staff. Usually quite a few that are there all day cleaning everything - they are outsourced and often retired people who want the extra money and to do something. But students at all levels of school except university are responsible for cleaning each day. Teacher supervises and the kids wash desks and so forth and even mop floors. In Canada parents would probably not approve of their kids having those kinds of responsibilities. The kids don't mind it because anything is better than studying. I think it is a good system. In the old days kids in Canada at the start of school each day had to get their hands checked and so forth to see if they were clean.
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This from the WHO'S recent advice on masks (bolded for you): Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for healthy people in community settings As described above, the wide use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not supported by current evidence and carries uncertainties and critical risks. WHO offers the following advice to decision makers so they apply a risk-based approach. However, the following potential risks should be carefully taken into account in any decision-making process: self-contamination that can occur by touching and reusing contaminated mask depending on type of mask used, potential breathing difficulties false sense of security, leading to potentially less adherence to other preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene diversion of mask supplies and consequent shortage of mask for health care workers diversion of resources from effective public health measures, such as hand hygiene Here is the link. It just repeats what is said in the video. https://www.who.int/publications-detail/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak So you identified one reason for healthy people not wearing masks but missed the others. There is a recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine that raises important questions about mask effectiveness. Just access the site and type in masks. If healthy people want to wear masks that is their choice, if stores demand mask wearing, that is their choice.
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How about ‘not recommend’ then https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/who-should-wear-a-face-mask-30-march-who-briefing/ WHO policy has varied little since the beginning of the pandemic. For obvious reasons, namely the lack of science on masks, and in their most recent update the explain why they think masks are unnecessary/unneeded/unwarranted for people who are not sick. You can watch the video on the right that I posted previously. Not my ideas, theirs. Nice try. Recommend is a synonym for endorse by the way. When the weather gets hotter more people will stop wearing masks. Yesterday the japan pediatric association asked parents not put masks on children under 2. The Japan Pediatric Association has warned parents that masks are too risky for infants. "Masks can make breathing difficult because infants have narrow air passages," which increases the burden on their hearts, the association said, adding that masks also raise the risk of heat stroke for them.
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Show the research then. WHO only recommends wearing a mask if sick. You Mr. 20% of the world will die from Covid doesn’t know the difference between fact and BS. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks#:~:text=If you are healthy%2C,dispose of it properly.
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for those interested Dr. Balloux (on twitter) 'Daily excess deaths in France (last 60 years). Red: #COVID19 2020 spring wave; yellow: 2003 heat wave; blue influenza H3N2 1969/70 winter wave. The areas under the curve (i.e. excess deaths) are not that dissimilar for the three events.'
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Depends on the environment for example how confined and what kind of air circulation. these studies are controlled so I would assume very confined, populated and no circulation - in short a perfect condition for viruses to float around. to date WHO doesn't endorse mask wearing and there is no research either way to support use or no use in the way they are being advocated now. Coughing into you sleeve is equally effective. Or just holding a sneeze or cough is fine as well. However we know most people are wearing masks more for 'protection' rather than being unable to manage their own hygiene without one. Half perhaps even more do not wear them properly or put them on properly or take them off properly. They also end up touching their face more - as pointed out by the WHO. When they go to places they end up putting them on tables or whatever, so masks end up being germ bombs and spreaders. Stores have every right to ask for people to wear masks. No shoes no service. But any argument beyond that doesn't hold water.
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Family circus was a classic series.
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posting wildly wrong inferences is how you roll. Remember when you predicted weeks and weeks ago that 20% of the world's population was going to die from Corona. In other words the equivalence of one China. Fair enough for people to buy into the early modeling mistakes that is not their fault, but you took it to a whole new level of absurdity.
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Lives for lives. Now get back to watching CNN and the other mainstream media so you can keep everyone rightly informed on this site.
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Denmark was one of the first Euro countries to engage in some kind of lockdown - being quick (e.g Taiwan) appears to have been a crucial variable in containing the virus- of course it is. Their measures taken were a lot less stringent than many other countries. But what are the detailed differences and similarities between the Swedish and Danish version? I would not paint it black and white as you are doing here. Sweden did shut down schools too! On the issue of consumer spending. Exactly, how spread was it across the economy. If restaurants were closed in Denmark then I would guess not much consumer spending there - all businesses matter. Can you provide any sort of breakdown. As the 'note' points a 4% difference in consumer spending is a big deal. I wonder how small private businesses made out between the 2 countries? You provide no information on that at all. I also do not recall any Swedish officials saying that their policy was based on keeping the economy going - can you provide any evidence that someone involved in the policy decision making specifically said that economy is our main concern. There were a lot of very principled reasons for a voluntary lockdown, one namely respecting people's rights and freedoms. And of course the big monkey in the room is that like Canada most of Sweden's deaths have occurred in care facilities. That has no connection to allowing cafes to stay open or not. Of course in Sweden they had the right to decide.
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No it isn’t
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The summation is the leaky ship.
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Can you throw the Japanese numbers in there as well. The population is 125 million. We did this a few weeks ago if I remember.