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  1. To me, having both our best left handed defensemen being offensively minded players isn't a great defense composition. I don't want either of those players playing big minutes on the pk, and would want both of them playing first line pp. That's why I say it's redundant. It's not like this team has a glut of talent so it's ok if you double up. I 100% think that cap would have been spent better off on a more defensive minded player. Like Tanev who was a victim of the cap, or Marino who we were rumored to be in on but couldn't open up the cap. Cap is king, we have none, OEL takes up lots, OEL isn't utilized to the best of his potential on this team.
  2. Having a redundant player on a huge contract, that cost a fortune to acquire, on a team that's capped out and the bottom half of the league is a problem to me. Dunno what else to tell you. I view OEL and Miller in the same light. Good players, wrong team.
  3. I liked him last year, even though I felt the teams play was a mirage. But hearing that this team was flat in training camp soured me on him. If you can't get the team motivated to start the season, then what are you doing?
  4. Ok that's a fair point. I recall one of the bigs, I think Alvin but could have been JR, referring to Miller as our number 1 center. Even last year I felt he was a winger cosplaying as a center. It was pretty shocking that they referred to him as their top C. Then again, just the other day Bruce said he's been their best player since he's got there. Even with Petey playing poorly last year to start, that seems like a baffling comment.
  5. They way I see it, they already have chosen Miller over Bo. I have come to terms with it, as much as I hate it. Based off the informations we have available, I think the value just wasn't there for Miller. They need to mine value out of every asset, we have nothing to spare. Since the market didn't pay what they needed for Miller, then were backed into a corner of trading Bo. That's how I saw it at least. I also have zero issue with the Boeser deal. It doesn't look great right now, but it was the only option. IMO, letting him walk was not an option and the massive QO gifted to him by the past management team dictated that signing. He was not good last year, but had a completely reasonable explanation why. The year before he was our best forward and had taken massive strides in his 2-way game. It's appalling they didn't do anything to fix this defense, but so far Bear looks to be a good start. We'll see. I'm firmly on the fence about this management team. I don't have nearly enough information after a year to formulate an opinion. Hell, it took me 7 years to finally sour on Benning.
  6. Sure it's possible. I think it's unlikely they do that, but I sincerely hope they do. I was one of the very few people who was ok with trading Miller last January for the rumored Rangers offer. You're preaching to the choir about Miller.
  7. You started this conversation in regards to OEL by jumping in while I was having a conversation with another poster. This isn't a witch hunt, this is me expressing my opinion on a subject that I have been expressing for a year and a half. If you came to stop a "witch hunt", you came to the wrong place. He will always be judged along side that trade. That's how these things work. Just like how a player is always judged along side his contract. Again, that's just reality. I disagree with you at a fundamental level about OEL. It's a huge contract that is likely immovable. It does change the way this team has to move forward with trying to fix this lineup for the worse. Without making that trade, this team would be in a better position right now. You're entitled to your opinion, as I'm entitled to mine. My opinion has not changed, and it's so far been proven right in my eyes. That trade, and by extension having OEL on this team is one of the bigger problems around this roster that we have to navigate if we want to move forward. In my opinion, we are building around OEL on the roster, not building a team with OEL on the roster. Those are different things to me.
  8. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think OEL was redundant. We only have so many resources available and spending them to acquire a player with a historically similar skill set as one of our very few building blocks was a bad call. We can debate this till the cows come home, but the bottom line is I feel this team would be in a much better position going forward if that trade did not happen. I felt that way on July 23rd, 2021, and I feel that way today. I'm stoked for people with different opinions. It must be nice being stoked on OEL and this team. I started running out of optimism about this teams direction... Well on July 23rd, 2021 and the rest was depleted when we signed Miller. I'm legitimately worried this franchise has completely wasted Petey, Hughes and Demkos prime.
  9. I think too much may have been made from the pause. I recall the exact same thing about Miller/agent interviews this summer. We all know how that ended up. I think Barzal is a good comparable. But it's important to remember that on this bridge contract, Petey did get paid more. They are comparables, but Petey has already historically been worth more. I reckon we're looking at 10.5 for Petey long term. Do it, he's the guy you build around.
  10. Well in the future, could you please try not to miss quote me. I didn't say anything about dumping him, and your response to me came out of nowhere. I've been very open about my learning disability on CDC and my struggles with dyslexia. It's a large reason why I spend so time here practicing my reading and writing, and why my posts are constantly being edited. I had to go back and read all my posts to see if I had said something on accident after you used quotes in that post. I make enough errors trying to get the thoughts in my brain into words already. BUT BACK TO OUR REGULAR PROGRAMMING! Sure, I agree. This roster is fundamentally flawed on multiple levels. But I truely believe that over spending on assets and cap, that we didn't have, to acquire OEL added to those problems, not subtracted. OEL may have been one of the few pieces we did have. A top 4, offensively minded, left handed D. He was a redundant trade in my eyes based off what this team did have. I have never waivered on my OEL opinion, or Garland for that matter. Good players, wrong team. To me it's as simply as that.
  11. Mmhm, again it's very difficult for me to be objective about this trade. Guenther was my guy that draft. I felt he was a top 5 pick but also had a feeling he could drop. I paid close attention to him for months and was excited about the Canucks pick that year. Sure enough we trade the pick, and my guy is selected with our pick. But the fact of the matter is, OEL and Garland have not progressed this team at all. We are in a worse position now after that trade then we would have been if we didn't make it. If this teams trajectory was up, and we were making the playoffs and playing meaningful hockey I could take the long term pain if this trade for the short term benefit's. But we ain't, things just suck.
  12. Sure ok, 12 million would look mighty nice right now. Also, why did you put dump is quotations? That would indicate that I said they were trying to dump him. I said there were rumors he was asked to waive, indicating they could have a desire to trade him. I certainly hope we wouldn't have to dump him... Just paid a top 10 pick for him a couple years ago...
  13. It's not like having him in the lineup is doing any good... Teams still capped out, 24th in the league, and about to get far worse if we trade Bo. Long term, maybe we would be better without another top 3 Dman and allowing Rathbone to play. At least young players would get minutes and this team might be down a few spots to help along a rebuild. I also reckon at least some of that 13 million in cap would have been used on a Dman. Marino, or Tanev re-signing, I dunno.
  14. This biggest issue with that trade was that trade happening. But yeah, I don't think we should have doubled down on Miller either. Doesn't change the fact that this franchise would be in a far better position if the OEL trade never happened. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, I bet this new management teams wishes they could reverse that move, and rightfully so. We have heard rumors of a Garland trade, and asking OEL waiving his NTC. Just rumors, but still. If we were to try to move on from those contracts, I guarantee you we don't recoup the value of a top 10 pick, let alone the 2nd and cap space. I'm incapable of trying to be objective about this trade, because for this franchise that trade was a terribly near sighted blunder.
  15. He certainly was not the best dman on the team last year in my eyes. Nor do I think his play at any point this year defensively been acceptable for a top 3 dman. I also do not think Garland is the player you describe. I think he's good, but I also don't think he's meshed with literally anyone on this trade. Who does Garland have legitimate chemistry with on this team? That last point is an incredibly insincere argument. We didn't get those players for just a top 10 prospect. It also cost us a boat load in cap flexibility. To bring it back to the reason why we are in this thread, cap flexibility is why we are in the cusp of losing our 2nd best center, and our captain. No one thinks Horvat is a bad player, or captain, or not a fit for this team. But if we sign him we have no flexibility going forward to improve this team. The cap has dictated we essentially have to move on from him. The 13 million that we used up on OEL and Garland would have been far better off invested in a Horvat extension and another top 4 Dman like Marino in the summer. I'd far rather this team have Horvat, Guenther and Marino then OEL and Garland. This new management has been rumored to be trying to trade Garland since the day they got here, and will have to build this team around OEL not by choice, but because he's a near immovable contract. You can think this was a great trade all you want, but I think this trade is the reason why the team is in such a terrible position right now. It encapsulates everything wrong with Bennings time here, and why he no longer has a job in the NHL.
  16. We have next to no prospects, and Guenther is looking like a fantastic winger. We have no cap space, if that trade doesn't happen we would have ample room to make moves to make this team better. OEL is an aging player, who's already regressed since we got him, on a massive contract. Garland is a good player, but has been a terrible fit for this team. What's good about the OEL trade?
  17. Maybe in a vacuum? If this team was a cup contender that was going to be competing the next year, that trade was ok. But now we're judging a trade completely out of context. That trade for this team was horrendous, in my opinion. Was then, still is now. I was a Benning supporter, vocally, for years. But that day changed my entire opinion on Benning and I was out.
  18. We simply do not agree. The only point I'd give you out of those is the Forsling trade, that was hindsight, and I had no issue with it at the time really. Seemed inconsequential. But the fact that you think the OEL trade was a huge win shows you and I have a fundamentally different opinion on what a good trade is. That is one of the worst trades in recent history, and off the top of my head one of the worst I can think of in this franchises history. I said it the day that trade happened, and my opinion is even more solidified now. That trade has greatly limited our ability to turn this core into a cup contending team. I wouldn't have taken OEL/Garland for just the players we traded, let alone add a top 10 pick AND a 2nd rounder. This franchise would have been far better off with Guenther and the cap space then OEL and Garland.
  19. Off the top of my head, the Kesler trade, the Guddy trade, the Baer trade, Forsling trade, Vey trade, Toffoli rental, the OEL trade.... What trades were solid? Even the trades you could argue he won, like Jansen and Burrows their terrible organizational development (or maybe just terrible pro-scouting) led them to not get any value for. This Horvat trades needs to define the franchise for years to come. What trades did Benning make provided significant value to the franchise long term? The only one I can think of was Miller. But then a trade like OEL did far more negative to us long term to celebrate 1 win. I legitimately can't recall one trade where Benning targeted a young player and they have become an impactful part of this team in 8 years. The closest I can think of is Karlsson who's still a big maybe. I'm so thankful Benning is gone.
  20. Benning had a terrible trade record. I'd trust someone that I know little about more then I would trust Jim, who I know all about.
  21. Oh, I completely agree. I'm firmly on the fence about this management group, but I still trust Alvin and JR executing a move like this over Jim.
  22. To be fair... I don't necessarily disagree with this. Haven't we all been drooling over the Schneiders, Newhook, Marrow, Byrams, of the NHL for about a year now? Aren't those all classified as young players? I mean... I'm down for a trade if that's the type of return coming back. If Old Jim believes what he said, and this team is 2-3 years away from contending, I'd rather a young player like that coming back then a bunch of picks. To make things perfectly clear, I'm on team tear it down to the studs. I think this team is fundamentally flawed and needs a ton of work. But I'm A OK targeting talented young players if we think they have big upside.
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