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3 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:
I listened to most of his pre/post game interviews all year long and if media tried to get him to comment on his defensive game or his +/- he really showed very little interest in discussing it at all. Certainly didn’t seem open to the idea of him having to work on his defensive coverage.
Not a big deal. Still love him as a player. He’s 21 we need to remember.
What do you want him to say? I suck at defense on that play, and the play before that, etc.
Hughes will get better because he seems like a guy who wants to improve in every way possible. Yes, he is young and he'll get better.
Also, I would like to see him do better under a different defensive coach.
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1 minute ago, EmilyM said:
Why's that? He's well respected in the tight knit world of hockey management. It's no league secret that the Canucks actually have done a good job developing many of their young players in Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Hogs, even Bo. He'll be coveted in the NHL.
I guess WD should be given more credit for his work then, by that same token, and I'm not at all a WD fan.
Green has proven very little, despite having rosters that have been progressively improved over the years. Green will get one job, find himself overwhelmed by the NHl level and see him somewhere else again.
I don't hate him as a person. Just think he's overrated on this board.
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2 minutes ago, MikeyD said:
We got lucky in that trade that Schneider ended up with severe injury problems.
That trade was incredibly risky. Gillis mismanaged the goalie situation. Had Horvat not worked out, Hutton would've been the only player of significance on that team.
I can still believe that people will come up with excuses for the drafting under Gillis though.
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1 minute ago, Locke Lamora said:
Hughes is a prideful young dude and he doesn’t seem to like to admit that he might have some work to do on the defensive side of things. But he does. And I think he knows it too. He will get better.
I doubt that he's too "prideful" to admit his deficiencies. That doesn't seem like him.
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Just now, PhillipBlunt said:
I think with the proper coaching, the majority of the players on the defense will play far more cohesively.
I still don't understand how people can look at the consistent inconsistency of our play, and people can still ignore the fact that Green has a similar win and lose rate as Willie D. But still think it's all Benning's fault.
Honestly, coaching needs an overhaul. There is zero reason for us to keep the same coaching staff with the results we have.
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Uninspiring power play, no shots on net, no momentum. And poor defensive coverage.
Anything new with the coaching?
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3 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:
A thread about Benning and yet, I still cross the minds of his most ardent bootickers.
Makes you wonder...
Followed by several your most ardent bootlickers who follow you around from your fantasy hockey pool who come in and like your posts.
Makes you wonder...I thought we had that discussion last year about this?
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So I was watching yesterday's game and @Alain Vigneault was bitching in the GDT, but said he wasn't gonna be watching. LOL. What a character. He missed out on the four goals of the third period.
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1 hour ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:
Well... his success then needs to be hand in hand with the fact that Bylsma was also gifted a young Malkin, Crosby, Fleury and Letang in their primes.
Sure he did amazing when he first got started and won that cup with the Pens but he also fell off quick after that. Since then, he coached (as head coach) Buffalo which is unfair to judge since they are just an awful team, but he had that major falling out with Eichel and was eventually fired because of it.
I still remember that Penguins season when they added guys like Morrow and Iginla to create that "unbeatable" team but still got swept by the Bruins in the playoffs.
TG has not had nearly the same amount of luxury that Bylsma had in his early years.
I understand that, but that also means that TG isn't inherently the best man for the job.
I'm not pumping Bylsma's tires. I just want to see fresh approaches to this team.-
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22 minutes ago, Fred65 said:
I guess it's the same as saying what happens if Pettersson didn't work and if pigs do fly I recommend we all get bigger hats. You can't base a question with "what if." Gillis traded an asset much like GM's throughout the NHL do for what was a great prospect, selected by who ??? don't diminish the facts. I agreed Gillis was not good at the draft table. Hodgson if you remember was a good pick his back gave out and his career ended, but he was a good pick. and Tanev was a great FA pick up. Markstrom turned out to be a good trade, maybe one of the best we've made. Credit where it's due and ban BS
I agree. But you asked a question along the lines of Where would Vancouver be without Horvat? So your question is equal to a 'what if' question. Without Horvat, Gillis would have an even worse legacy at drafting. One of the biggest problems during this current roster is the lack of players from the Gillis era. These players ultimately would have filled in important roles today.
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On 5/17/2021 at 10:11 AM, wallstreetamigo said:
I never said Gaudette wasnt responsible for his own results. But role and opportunity make a huge difference there too and that is not the players decision.
I dont understand why people think Gaudette was suddenly much worse than last year. The only thing that changed all that much is pucks werent going in the net. His play wasnot demonstrably worse.
He was just in a role that didnt fit him or his game. Not every top 6 player has to be a defensive master. Thats a fallacy. The best defense comes from controlling the puck offensively. If you have the puck, they dont.
If you need proof, watch the Florida-Tampa game yesterday. The chances generated by both sides, the speed of attacking, and the zone entries makes Canucks dump and chase games look like peewee hockey.
Yeah, you can really tell that there is disconnect between the coaches. The transition game that the Canucks use is quite poor. Some of the results may be attributed to lower skilled players, but the clumsy, short passes in the defensive zone seems to satisfy a fetish of doing that, rather than being practical. Passes can fail in all sorts of ways, which has led to the Canucks team being hemmed in by their own faults.
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40 minutes ago, SirCosmoDuffGordon said:
Sorry but Demko is the MVP by a country mile.
Votes were done by fans.
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On 5/12/2021 at 12:45 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said:
He was a pending RFA.
I wonder why he left.
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31 minutes ago, Diamonds said:
Bylsma will almost certainly be looking to get back to a head coaching gig. Honestly don't know if he would be an upgrade to Green, but an interesting name to toss around at least.
Bylsma, for what it's worth, has accomplished far more than what Green has done. He's an experienced AHL coach, and he's coached some of the best in Pittsburgh. Green pales considerably in experience. That's why I'm not overly excited about keeping Green when there are clearly better options available.
That being said, I am a bit worried that Yzerman and Bylsma are parting ways.
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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:
I wonder about the Gillis drafting era. There's no doubt it wasn't great!! however a couple of things happened during his time that most seem to forget.
Hodgson should have been a good pick but injuries and an overbearing father combined to kill his career. As I recall he was MVP in the last year of junior at the WJC. He was a good pick but for circumstances.
Schroeder was drafted, after... after Bettemman declared the days of clutching and grabbing were over in the NHL and small skilled players should be allowed to show their skills without being mugged every shift. That lasted for about half a season. Gillis's problem was he believed Betteman and drafted Schroeder. I don't think Schroeder would have shone regardless but I think he might of survived.
Gillis drafted Horvat with a pick he got from Schneider ... and certainly got the best of that transaction.
The problem with comparing drafting it excludes every thing outside of drafting ie the FA signing of NCAA defenseman Christ Tanev and under very difficult circumstances ( Mrs Loungo needing to have him home where she and her piazza loving family could keep an eye on him) Gillis aquired Markstrom. So some times drafting in isloation paints the bad picture, 2+2 is not always = 4. I'm no fan of thee Gillis drafting era but there were some bright spots to. Where would Vcr be without Horvat might be a question to ask yourself
Horvat was obtained by trading Schneider, a Nonis pick. I think an equally interesting question would be what would happen if Horvat didn't pan out, considering how poor the drafting/development period was.
Hutton and Horvat are practically the only pieces from a time period - one of which was obtained through trading an established player from another regime. So yes, Gillis was really bad at drafting/developing, and this has played a role in our current roster.
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Just now, Pickly said:
Okay. So I never said that the team is doing bad on purpose. I previously said they are doing their best given the circumstances this season. The team is at a crossroads whether you want to admit it or not.
I've edited my original post because I felt I was a little too hostile than I should've been. You are right. The team is clearly not close. It actually seems like we took a step back, but the funny thing is, the Tanev/Markstrom deals had little to do with the decline either.
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16 minutes ago, Pickly said:
As I said. Speculation. But to think this team isn't in any sort of disarray as we speak is laughable. Where there's smoke, there's fire. I expect big changes in the coming days.
As you said. Speculation.
An NHL team (collectively) is not likely to whine about a situation, to the point that they'll purposefully do so bad to get coaches/GMs fired. That is the difference between a professional and an adolescent person.
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50 minutes ago, spook007 said:
It doesn’t change the fact he was a good pick. The boy is playing in the NHL (not looking out of place), and thats all you can ask for from a 24th pick.
That they used him in a trade that didn’t work out, is totally irrelevant.
If Flyers had traded Konecny (24th pick) to us for Sbisa the year after, would you say he was a bad pick? No it would be a poor trade...
The fact McCann was traded for Guddy, who was lost in Vancouver is a different story. The only real complaints I remember about McCann, was the ‘it is, what it is’...
Yes there were a few better players he could have picked at 24 with Pastnak and Brayden Point springing to mind or Victor Arvidson...I’d actually argue that from a drafting point Benning did well in the 2014 draft with both Demko, Tryamkin and Forsling...
Tryamkin is swing we would do again if presented, and Forsling is also stil playing as an NHL’er...
The fact they don’t play for Canucks are a different story.
PS. The year before we picked Shinkaruk in same position... now that was a bad pick.
To add to your points, McCann didn't actually breakout until several trades/years later (kind of a situation like Grabner and his waivers).
Demko was a solid homerun pick. Anyone who thinks Benning didn't/doesn't draft well, especially compared to his predecessors is just trying to cling onto the idea of Gillis being a 'better' GM. The reality was that Gillis had severe shortcomings himself, namely the absolutely dreadful showcase of his prospects (there are none, except Hutton and Horvat). I've seen a number of excuses made to justify the poor showing of picks, such as that the "team was trying to win".
Also, Shinkaruk was a promising prospect, but injuries derailed him. Kind of like Hodgson really.
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3 minutes ago, Pickly said:
I firmly believe the players are on Greens side as it's no secret they like playing for him. Pure speculation, but I think it's a coaches and players vs management and ownership rift.
Maybe there is no rift to speak of. The 'rift' idea is so overstated. Buffalo has a clear rift. The current state of the Canucks doesn't and shouldn't have any more of a rift than any average hockey team that doesn't make the playoffs. Unlike fans, the players try to do their best to help the team. If it doesn't work, some of these players will get shipped out. That's just the reality of the situation.
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1 hour ago, Timråfan said:
I’ve heard many here talking about Utica in a good way.
Here is one input that isn’t especially glad over the impact Utica have over our prospects.
After reading that input I believe Utica has hindered our prospects from developing.
https://cometsharvest.com/2021/05/14/comets-harvest-the-final-friday/
”That 2018-19 season was an unmitigated disaster, marred by goaltending issues and legitimate prospects scratched in favour of ECHL plugs.
The most notable issue being when both Petrus Palmu and Jonathan Dahlen publicly voiced problems with the management and coaching staff over playing time and communication.
If we’re generous to the Canucks management group, there have been three players drafted or signed out of free agency, who have developed in the AHL and turned into full-time NHL players.
Here’s a list of most of the U23 AHL’ers that have entered the Canucks AHL system since the Comets became their affiliate: Alex Grenier, Nicklas Jensen, Alex Friesen, Frank Corrado, Peter Andersson, Alex Mallet, Frank Corrado, Hunter Shinkaruk, Brendan Gaunce*,Mike Zalewski, Jordan Subban, Andrey Pedan, Joe Labate, Ashton Sautner, Cole Cassels, Evan McEneny, Jake Virtanen, Marco Roy, Zack MacEwen*, Guillaume Brisebois, Michael Carcone, Jalen Chatfield, Tanner MacMaster, Danny Moynihan, Nikolay Goldobin, Jonathan Dahlen, Kole Lind, Jonah Gadjovich, Petrus Palmu, Lukas Jasek, Thatcher Demko, Jack Rathbone, Carson Focht, Ethan Keppen, Jett Woo, Mitch Eliot, Adam Gaudette, and I’m missing some more.
- The Canucks got an entire NHL season out of Brendan Gaunce, but footspeed concerns and a lack of offence kept him out of future call-up considerations. Especially after the team invested in Jay Beagle and other bottom-six contracts. He arguably would be on that Graovac plain of NHL’er if the Canucks had just stuck with him.
- Virtanen, let’s not even get into it.
- MacEwen busted his ass to make the taxi squad and appeared to be on the verge of breaking out, but this year has been a disaster for him. He might have an NHL future as a 13th forward, but he isn’t a “must play” starting 16 forward at the NHL level at this juncture.
- Thatcher Demko – grade A proof of development. The only asterisk is that he is a goalie, and goalies develop much differently than skaters.
- Adam Gaudette and Jack Rathbone are two players who were infinitely better than those playing around them. They were on different skill levels, and their placement in the AHL was primarily due to circumstance rather than ability or needing time to cook/develop in the AHL.
So after eight years of remote management of prospect development, this club has a goalie and a 13th forward to show for their AHL development work.”
The article conveniently leaves out Gadj, Lind and Woo's contributions, as well as Rathbone. Hmm. I wonder why.
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6 minutes ago, JohnTavares said:
Did you see Juolevi get turned around today on the Lucic goal? His pivot ability is bottom tier... a skill that you desperately need to be a competent defenseman. There's a reason why Juolevi doesn't play more than 13 minutes a game.
He is miles away from being a top 4 defender. He's closer to out of the league than a top 4 dman.
SMH.
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3 minutes ago, Schmautzie said:
This is why we keep watching this team no matter how frustrated we get.
Some posters like Alain Vigneault clearly don't care about the Canucks, except whining. I'm glad I stayed for the whole thing.
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4 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
I feel like Newell Brown is a microcosm of coaching in general... when he has talented players at their best - he looks like a genius.
Anything less and it looks like crap.
So you're saying he's an average coach then?
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1 minute ago, King Heffy said:
So you don't think the defense would look better under a qualified assistant who implemented a system other than letting the other team do whatever they want in our own zone? Baumgartner is a huge part of the problem.
I do agree with you. Our coaching in general has been horrible, especially Nolan.
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[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Calgary Flames | May 19, 2021 | 12:30 p.m. PT | SNP | PLAYOFF SERIES VS CALGARY EDITION
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Of course. Much like how they'll be plenty of interest to have a head coach in Vancouver.