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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

    I'm not so sure about Courtnall knowing the game. If you recall the "building" of the likes of Sakic and Yzerman it took time, they became students of the management which included the roles of scouting in the back end of Saskabush in February or North Dakota and over time they learned the intrigue of management, Cap problems and the role of a Farm team, player development etc etc. Courtnall is ( like Linden ) property business which is not exactly a similar business. He will be better than FA but still sees the game through a players eyes. The loss of Gilman was a tragedy he had all the acumen of the required knowledge. The Canucks would not miss FA and this IMO is just another pathetic attempt to rally fan support for another season. By hiring Courtnall he displays his total lack of understanding, I believe FA thinks being an owner is like being super fan

     

    So here's the thing.

     

    Sakic and Yzerman have made a ton of mistakes during their tenure, as everyone inevitably does. While your point about the Courtnall/Linden hirings being akin to figureheads has some merit, the issue is that all teams have made internal hirings all the time. And there is nothing wrong with that. Alain Vigneault, for instance, was not a noted scorer, and yet he has crafted a lengthy coaching career (whether or not he has his flaws as a coach is beside the point). It's safe to say that former players UNDERSTAND the game, having played it. Vigneault was, I believe, promoted within Montreal. Eventually he made his way to Vancouver for a brief time, before going over to Philly.

     

    Now, the most problematic parts of your post is about "He will be better than FA" - FA is the owner, not a general manager (not similar to Yzerman/Sakic, in other words). The closest comparison to what you're trying to say may be Mario Lemieux. And he's had his share of 'meddling' too, as every owner who has an interest in the team does.

     

    Ultimately, it's safe to say that FA cares about this team equally as all of us fans, considering he is also a VERY vocal Canuck fan, as well as a business owner. He doesn't own any other teams to my knowledge, so the Canucks is his baby. We also know that FA has spent a lot of money in the past to improve the Canucks (whether this be by free agency, or through the upgrading of locker rooms/facilities, as suggested by Gillis). How soon do people forget about this. FA has gone through all the periods that we have enjoyed, as well as the suffering of the team.

     

     

    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    20 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

    Great points !   Those two (with there overall track record) has certainly shown that they are very good leaders by first becoming great students 

    Kind of hilarious how a billionaire, among the top 25 in Canada, would be questioned for their business acumen by Canucks fans.

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    7 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:

    Please don't quote the clown Timrafan.  I have him on ignore and anytime someone quotes him, I see his ridiculous posts.

    I like how he (Timrafan) likes to criticize the Canucks/AHL coaching to be "neanderthal" (the word he used specifically), all because his darling Dahlen couldn't make TWO NHL rosters, nor did he succeed in San Jose's AHL team. Ultimately, Dahlen is still playing in the same league as when he started in Sweden.

    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    2 hours ago, Provost said:

    I am clearly not saying that we need to find a big splash UFA at all.  I explicitly said in the post you actually quoted

    "it isn’t just free agency, it is trades as well.  What shakes loose before the expansion draft?  What if we lose a player ourselves because we are suddenly protecting Pearson?"

    No one knows, and that signing Pearson was premature and unnecessary as we hold his rights until after expansion.

    ... and that leaving as many of those options for a new GM to explore would be smart.

    The idea that we don't make any moves to improve one of the worst rosters in the league because it may work out like Eriksson is ludicrous.  How do we ever improve if not for trying to bring in better players?  That sort of thinking made people not want to move Virtanen because he could become Cam Neely.

    The entire point of the thread you were responding to was that many folks just don't trust Benning to be the one making those choices as his track record isn't good.

    So we are in agreement that having 5M space will give us more flexibility to do something. Here's where the discussion is going off-track, imo.

     

    There is an assumption though that someone 'better' is automatically out there, when that isn't always going to be the case. Not to mention, someone who performed well on another team (due to the team being better, for example) may not necessarily translate onto the Canucks team.

     

    We KNOW for a fact that Horvat wanted Pearson (some media has touched on this, and Horvat's message after Pearson's signing is a sort of confirmation). There is also a track record of Pearson's progress on the team. He has a 'fit' here. We do not currently have proven players who can take in his spot.

     

    So if we have 5M of capspace and we don't use much of it (it's not even the fan's money), the team may or may not flounder. If we use some of the money, either through a trade or through UFA (ignoring Pearson), the risks of acquiring a 'dud' are still there. But we KNOW what we have in Pearson. Therefore, allocating some money for a player that has chemistry with Horvat is a really easy decision. Really easy.

     

    Let's suppose that we ignore Pearson and go after someone else.

     

    These are some of the possibilities that we'll run into.

     

    1) UFA - nothing more needs to be said about this and the risks involved.

    2) Trades - to get a good player, you OFTEN have to trade assets in return. Raymond/Ballard and a 2nd type deals don't really exist. Hoping for this type of scenario is just a fantasy. This means we have to give up picks (something that our fanbase is adamant against) or give up 'good' players, like Boeser or Pettersson.

    3) Waivers - with no cap space, we can't entertain the idea of acquiring a player thrown out on waivers. That being said, every team has dead cap. Every team. Waivers are often players that have no trade value (at least until after they clear). If the Canucks didn't/couldn't get rid of ANOTHER player they had in exchange for some other team's redundant player, then how does this help the Canucks?

     

    The Canucks team are in an awkward situation between development and trying to push for the playoffs, but this describes a lot of teams as well when you think about it. Throwing in unproven prospects into the lineup (also known as rushing their development) doesn't necessarily help their developments. We've seen some examples - Buffalo, for instance, who have been put into situations that ultimately have hurt their development. The player that stands out in this example is Dahlin. So much pressure was placed on him to save the franchise, but now he is clearly floundering on that team. Now Reinhart wants out (or is rumoured to be), and can you really fault him?

     

    Another thing to consider is: does every team want to make the playoffs? ABSOLUTELY. Judging a team for trying to make the playoffs is ludicrous. A rebuild only happens when a team that fails to achieve their goals of going into playoffs, and typically is started by newer management.  It assumes that there are assets to be traded/sold off for more picks, as to create a clean slate.

     

    A rebuild can't happen if there are zero prospects in the pool (when Benning started), as well as players that are clearly just roster plugs. You'll get next to no value for them.

    [Signing] Sharks re-sign Alexander Barabanov

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    On 5/12/2021 at 3:33 PM, morrissex95 said:

    Why couldn't we get this guy? We've got a ton of holes I don't see why bring in Barabanov to fill in for one of our injured guys why the heck not? I know JB couldn't predict Barabanov going on a tear like this but this is a talented player. Bad pro scouting by our team once again. 

     

     

    What an oversimplified observation.

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    Posted · Edited by Dazzle

    3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

    And when you whine about the “arrogance of the fans” you become even worse. 

    This fanbase feels so incredibly self-entitled and condescending to other fans of the league. Other fans feel this way - and watching first hand the stuff that gets said on social media, I really have to agree. Of course, there are always exceptions, but the reputation around the league about Canucks fan is, sorry to say, generally not good.

     

    Not to mention, the incessant whining reflects a fanbase that is so self absorbed with the team's shortcomings that it fails to see how bad the other teams have it. For example, our prospect pool is nowhere near poor, yet the drafting of this team is being questioned. How is this possible?

     

    People are constantly ignoring "facts" that are inconvenient to the angle that they want to push. This accurately represents a lot of our fans' opinions. In other words, it's NEVER good enough in Canucksland.

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    Posted · Edited by Dazzle

    3 hours ago, Provost said:

    We don’t know who could or will be available.  What if the only thing stopping a Reinhart trade is an extra $3 million in cap space that Buffalo won’t eat in terms of a bad contract going the other way?

     

    How many Schmidt type deals will be out there this offseason?

     

    It isn’t just a player for the exact same money... that is too simplistic a way to look at it.   What could cap freed up by a Virtanen buyout plus the Pearson money get you?

     

    it isn’t just free agency, it is trades as well.  What shakes loose before the expansion draft?  What if we lose a player ourselves because we are suddenly protecting Pearson?

     

    The entire issue that folks have is that there was zero reason to sign Pearson when it happened.  If the same deal gets signed the day after the draft, it isn’t a big issue.

     

     

    So basically if you have 5 million, you want to see what kind of calibre of players can you get for 5 million? In other words, you CAN get the option of splashing a big fish UFA signing, is this what you're advocating?

     

    Players signed for 5M may or may not necessarily work here either. If they don't, that is 5M that is basically dead money. Think of Eriksson, for example. The whole cycle of this just ends up getting repeated.

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    39 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:

    A move to shut up the Candy Eater Fans and the Vancouver media that try to make a living out of chaos.

     

    80% of Canuck fans are whiners that are super needy of quick fixes that create more problems then actually help the team. 
     

    im a Canuck fan...unfortunately i dislike a big portion of Canuck fans. The Whiny brats i hate the most.

     

    On to the Draft 

    I'm with you. I've never seen so much incessant whining from fans. It's embarrassing really. We have such arrogant fans. :(

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    1 hour ago, Provost said:

    It isn’t about who is negotiating the details of the contracts, it is about leaving as many doors open for the new guy to make the deals he sees fit and start shaping the team.

     

    The Pearson deal stands out as the odd one if Benning was on thin ice.  That cap space had a lot of ways to be allocated, and signing the deal removed a bunch of flexibility in the offseason for a new GM.

     

    Why increasingly handcuff a new GM with more signed players and fewer cap dollars to spend.

     

    Maybe a new GM doesn’t honour the handshake deal to not expose Pearson... that could be helpful.

    So who would take Pearson's spot? Realistically, a player like that, especially in free agency, is likely going to be around the same ballpark, with no guarantee of success. At the very minimum, there is an assurance that Pearson enjoys it here in Vancouver, plus there's some chemistry with several players, most notably Horvat. Thus, the signing of Pearson is kind of a no-brainer. It's not an overpayment by the market standards. It's a pretty average signing that has received an overreaction from this fanbase.

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    Geoff Courtnall to return to Canucks?

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    16 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

    I haven’t been reading much into the Demko and Pearson deals, as far as an indicator of Benning’s status moving forward. Apparently much of the contract work has been delegated to Chris Gear, especially since his promotion to AGM. And while those deals may have been Benning decisions, they may also have been ownership’s call, with Gear tasked directly to work out the actual contracts.

     

    The Aquilinis have sidelined their GMs in the past, while publicly expressing support, and with the actual details only coming out later. Gear has been general counsel for CSE for about a decade or so, with his employment preceding the Benning hiring, so it’s possible that he reports directly to ownership on some matters, and any new SPCs negotiated this season might be one of them.

     

    I’m not saying this is the case. Just giving the reason why I don’t necessarily believe that Demko and Pearson getting new deals should be interpreted as any kind of signal of ownership’s confidence in Benning, or his job security, moving beyond this season.

    Moreover, I think Benning's departure to Texas to watch the games may be the team's way of having him be in charge of scouting. Basically Benning gets re-assigned to another department. So I think we will be seeing a new GM after all.

    Laine "I can't play hockey anymore"

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    1 hour ago, shayster007 said:

    regardless of position in society, people are allowed to struggle and feel their feelings. The last year has been the most trying times of the majority of our lives. It's been extremely difficult for all of us, and disregarding someone's feelings just because he's an athlete is ignorant. 

    Yes, this is very well said.

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    Laine "I can't play hockey anymore"

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    23 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

    His shot is elite, but nothing else about him is elite. Not saying it as a hater. People compare Laine to Ovi. But Ovi is a physical force, that can skate like the wind, and has underrated hands. Again, Laine is just good at slapping pucks accurately and really hard.

    Laine is such a tantalizing player. If he puts everything together, he can be among the greats. His defensive game is subpar though. I really think we should be really happy about Boeser and how he has shown commitment to improving his game. I hope Boeser can get 40 goals in the near future.

     

    Also, the blame towards Torts is a bit overstated. Torts EXPECTS accountability in his players - and Laine has shown little proof that he cares about the other sides of his games thus far in his career. Of course it wasn't going to be a fit. The problem is with Laine. It's not Tortorella's fault that Laine is lazy.

    Laine is easily 3 times the player that Virtanen is right now, yet you can't help but want more of those tantalizing skillsets that both players have.

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    [GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Calgary Flames l May 13, 6 p.m. l SNP | WHY ARE WE HERE EDITION

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    18 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

    Juolevi’s lazy, unfocused play on the second Calgary goal is really not good for a guy who is at best a marginal nhl player.

    "Lazy and unfocused play" is a bit harsh for a player that really hasn't had much time to show what he can do, not to mention doing it under a mediocre defensive coach. He went around the wrong way. Big deal. He'll learn from that.

    How many times have we seen Hughes make a stupid pass? A lot. Better trade him because he's a "giveaway machine". /sar

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    Blackhawks player from 2010 championship team suing team for sexual assault by coach

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    Holy &^@#... this is a bombshell revelation.

     

    Brad Aldrich, the accused, is already convicted of sexual crimes. Looking through the 2010 roster, I'm thinking it's a depth player that wouldn't have the sway power of someone like Jonathan Toews. And I wonder if the accuser talked to other teammates about this incident, though the article did say the "team" did nothing. It's really unclear what they meant by that.

    [Trade] Canucks trade Adam Gaudette to Blackhawks for Matthew Highmore

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    45 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

    Lol.. a contradiction?  Well, when you deliberately decontextualize what it is your're reading, of course you'll arrive at that conclusion.  It's quite clear that I'm speaking from a point of comparison between his season last year and his season this year, and not his career value as a whole.  The fact still stands that his value dipped this year from where it was last year and a decision was made on that.

     

    Who said anything about Benning being an incompetent drafter?  My whole thing in this thread has been about his bootlicking fans who act like he's a genius.  I've been commentating on those who say he's a genius for drafting Gaudette and now say he's a genius for trading him (for virtually nothing), pointing out the inconsistencies in their logic.  I haven't said anything about Benning's drafting ability.  Seems you're projecting again..lmfao.

    Actually, there is nothing inconsistent about criticizing a prospect/player. The only thing consistent is you going after a certain GM, even if you're on weak ground. Gaudette is a good pick, no matter how you slice it, and if you were to look at that draft year in that round or later, you'd be hard pressed to find someone else better in that spot.

     

    That being said, he no longer fit the team. Do you really have that much of a difficulty separating the two dimensions?

     

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    [Report] Rangers have Fired David Quinn

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    13 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

    One has to wonder, despite what JB has said in recent months, if the Canucks are waiting it out to see who exactly will be available before making a final decision on resigning Green? 

     

    For me, firings like this show actually how patient our franchise has been with it's present coaching staff - Quinn didn't the same level of patience in NY it seems, or perhaps they have/had higher expectations there? 

    Yeah, it's really interesting.

    The hilarity of this fanbase is that we are given a stable ownership, stable leadership (not very many GM/coach firings), and guess what we do? We have people demanding that someone buy the team away from Aquilini, and there are tons of fire Benning/Green proposals, particularly the Benning one.

     

    One has to wonder if people here realize how bad Buffalo has it. We absolutely should be grateful that the Pegulas are not running this show.

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