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  1. I heard about this missing woman. I had a really bad feeling about what happened. It seems like Iain is guilty.
  2. Bodyguards =/= Depp Can't think of a situation where getting $&!# on (actually) in bed - involuntarily - wouldn't make you a victim. Can't think of a situation where getting punched out wouldn't make you a victim. Victims can also be aggressors, but let's not water down what Amber Heard did - and she IS an abuser. Whether she was actually a victim is a question mark, considering the lack of evidence and the fact that she was caught lying so many times. I'm not saying Depp is a saint. I'm just saying that it's wrong to think of Depp as pretending to be a victim.
  3. Stupidity has no bounds, I guess.
  4. Yes, this is a great thing. Decriminalization is a good first step to treating actual drug addicts. If people need their stash, then let them have it, but we should also think about how to address the issues about their drug usage as well. BC is actually showing that it's progressive in mindset.
  5. But it's not overrating players. This analysis was an internal look at our own players, and there wasn't any reference to other teams. OEL is a decent piece to this team, but we need more depth, that's for sure.
  6. Are you saying that Horvat wasn't seen that way? That's totally not true. Horvat was compared to Ryan O'Reilly 2.0 as a comparable on draft day. Lots of leadership and lots of tangible tools.
  7. And Gaunce would probably fit the idea of 'character'. He seems like a nice dude, but he just couldn't even cut it as a fourth line center. I don't know how that other poster thought Gaunce was "highly touted". He never was. He was a serviceable player, potentially, but he never played a style of game that was considered high end. A big part of that reason was his skating. Imagine if Horvat had been a Gaunce 2.0, and we traded our only sure thing (Schneider) for an unknown 1st round pick that ended up busting. Yikes.
  8. Nothing more than him kicking the tires of all candidates. Green is definitely not the most qualified to run an NHL roster, given how there are many others available, with a far better resume.
  9. If you're using the hindsight excuse to excuse Gillis' regime, then you shouldn't be analyzing anything. Shinkaruk was the only one who had a top ceiling potential. Jensen was top six or bust, and Gaunce was lucky if he was going to stay in the NHL. That much was clear. I really liked Shinkaruk, and I think it was his injuries that derailed his career. Rathbone, Woo, Dipietro - come on... these three were already better than Gillis' crop of prospects. This doesn't even include Demko (a 2nd round pick), a goalie, that Gillis never hit with any of his picks. Though Demko isn't a prospect, you have to include all of the players under Benning to actually compare the two regimes. What about Hoglander? We also have to include Klimovich too, who is/might be comparable to Shinkaruk in terms of potential. I've NEVER heard of Gaunce being highly touted Find me a scouting report that actually praises him. He was a bottom six forward at best, and he didn't even pan out when the Canucks were hurting for centers. Gillis didn't have crap at any point in time. There were so many long shots with Gillis, whereas Benning actually had promising prospects. Rathbone FYI >>> Hutton. Rathbone was a 3rd round pick. Did Gillis draft anyone outside of Hodgson, Horvat, Connaughton, and Hutton? You really have to be wilfully blind to see that development was extremely poor under Gillis. Using excuses to defend Gillis is just dishonest commentary.
  10. That's hilariously not true. It's mindblowing what people remember (or choose to remember). Gillis' years for prospects were absolutely TRASH. Not only did he not draft players, but he also traded away a ton of draft picks that could've done something. Of course, people only remember the glory days, but not the prices we had to pay for depth. https://thecanuckway.com/2016/03/28/vancouver-canucks-mike-gillis-destroyed-future/ The Vancouver Canucks were one of the best teams in the league with Mike Gillis as their GM. But, he destroyed the club’s future. When the Vancouver Canucks won straight President’s Trophies as the National Hockey League’s best regular-season team in 2010-11 and 2011-12, everything was fine in British Columbia. Well, aside from that day in the 2011 Stanley Cup Playoffs. So what is it that makes Canucks fans cringe when they hear the name of Vancouver’s former general manager, Mike Gillis? Gillis was the club’s GM starting in 2008, until Canucks owner Francesco Aquilini relieved him from his duties on April 8, 2014. During his six-year tenure in Vancouver, Gillis led the team to two President’s Trophies and a Stanley Cup Final, and he was named GM of the Year in 2011. Now two seasons into the Jim Benning era, the club still suffers from what Gillis did. Not because the Canucks lost Game 7 against the Boston Bruins that sad day in 2011, but because he failed to prepare the club for the future. Benning attempted a “rebuild on the fly” that has finally turned into a full-on rebuild like that of the Edmonton Oilers or Toronto Maple Leafs, rather than that of the Detroit Red Wings who have reached the post-season for 24 straight seasons (and counting). Why? Because the club drafted close to no NHL-calibre players in the Gillis era. Drafting under Mike Gillis Today, the club’s top rookies and prospects are Jake Virtanen, Jared McCann, Thatcher Demko and Brock Boeser — all drafted by Benning in 2014 and 2015, respectively. More from The Canuck Way = In the Canucks’ first Gillis draft, in 2008, they selected centre Cody Hodgson with the 10th-overall pick. Out of the top 10, only sixth-overall pick Nikita Filatov has appeared in fewer NHL games. Filatov is also the only player from that group who has recorded fewer points than Hodgson — including the four defencemen. Vancouver drafted five other players that year, with second-rounder Yann Sauve being the only one who played in the NHL — for eight games. The following year, Gillis drafted centre Jordan Schroeder 22nd overall. Schroeder has 104 NHL games to date and is collecting more air miles between Iowa and Minnesota than goals. The Canucks also selected defenceman Kevin Connauton and forward Anton Rodin that year, but like Schroeder, Connauton is not with the club anymore, and Rodin was just signed to give it another try. Gillis had four more first-round picks which were used on Nicklas Jensen, Brendan Gaunce, Hunter Shinkaruk and Bo Horvat — and stole Ben Hutton in the fifth round in 2012. Jensen is now Emerson Etem, Shinkaruk is Markus Granlund, Gaunce, Horvat and Hutton are all in the NHL. We give credit where credit is due. But, you will likely agree that Horvat is the only player of that group who really deserved his draft position (ninth overall). Getting one top-six player out of six years of drafting is obviously far less than we should expect. Considering that Gillis gave up Cory Schneider for the Horvat pick, even that selection is debatable. --- If you thought this group of prospects were bad... LMFAO... our cupboards were empty under Gillis. Outside of two high first round picks, Gillis couldn't pick anyone of significance. (Hogdson, Horvat, Hutton, and maybe Connaugton who never played with us). LOL. We didn't have a single prospect coming up that had some kind of exciting future.
  11. That is a hilariously inadequate description of what happened. Contrary to this myth of Gillis picking low, Gillis has actually picked very high on two occasions - one was Cody Hodgson (right when Gillis took over), and Bo Horvat (traded away a goalie asset for it). It should also be mentioned that Hodgson was a pretty good pick, but with the way things turned out in the end, we ended up offloading him for some insignificant pieces. Strike 1. Bo Horvat is undoubtedly a good player now, but he was not necessarily a sure thing. His weakness at the time was his skating. For us to trade a sure thing (Cory Schneider) to get an unknown high draft pick, that is a huge question mark about "asset management". To expand on this, the way the Luongo/Schneider situation was handled, Gillis managed to worsen our goalie depth because Luongo was supposed to be traded away for Schneider. Imagine if Horvat turned out to be a Brendan Gaunce (another Gillis draft pick)... it's absurd to assume that a 9th overall would certainly make the NHL. We know there are no guarantees. Let all of that sink in. On top of this, it's not like GIllis didn't have first round picks. As mentioned before, Gaunce was one, but he also had Niklas Jensen. Although both of these were late first round picks, are we just going to make excuses for how player development was under Gillis? 2013 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2013 Entry 9 1 Bo Horvat C London Knights [OHL] 572 170 196 366 188 2013 Entry 24 1 Hunter Shinkaruk L Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL] 15 2 2 4 4 2013 Entry 85 3 Cole Cassels C Oshawa Generals [OHL] 2013 Entry 115 4 Jordan Subban D Belleville Bulls [OHL] 2013 Entry 145 5 Anton Cederholm D Rogle Jrs. (Sweden) 2013 Entry 175 6 Mike Williamson D Spruce Grove Saints [AJHL] 2013 Entry 205 7 Miles Liberati D London Knights [OHL] 2012 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2012 Entry 26 1 Brendan Gaunce C Belleville Bulls [OHL] 148 11 12 23 59 2012 Entry 57 2 Alexandre Mallet C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 2012 Entry 147 5 Ben Hutton D Nepean Raiders [CCHL] 437 19 85 104 168 2012 Entry 177 6 Wesley Myron F Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL] 2012 Entry 207 7 Matthew Beattie R Exeter [N.H. H.S.] 2011 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2011 Entry 29 1 Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 31 3 3 6 10 2011 Entry 71 3 David Honzik G Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 2011 Entry 90 3 Alexandre Grenier R Quebec Remparts [QMJHL] 9 0 0 0 2 2011 Entry 101 4 Joseph LaBate L Holy Angels Academy (Minn.) 13 0 0 0 21 2011 Entry 120 4 Ludwig Blomstrand L Djurgardens Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2011 Entry 150 5 Frankie Corrado D Sudbury Wolves [OHL] 76 3 5 8 40 2011 Entry 180 6 Pathrik Westerholm L Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1] 2011 Entry 210 7 Henrik Tommernes D Frolunda HC [SEL] 2010 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2010 Entry 115 4 Patrick McNally D Milton Academy [Mass.] 2010 Entry 145 5 Adam Polasek D Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL] 2010 Entry 172 6 Alex Friesen C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 1 0 0 0 0 2010 Entry 175 6 Jonathan Iilahti G Blues Jrs (Finland) 2010 Entry 205 7 Sawyer Hannay D Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL] 2009 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2009 Entry 22 1 Jordan Schroeder L U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 165 18 24 42 14 2009 Entry 53 2 Anton Rodin R Brynas Jr. [Swe-Jr] 3 0 1 1 0 2009 Entry 83 3 Kevin Connauton D Western Michigan University [CCHA] 360 28 52 80 188 2009 Entry 113 4 Jeremy Price D Nepean Raiders [CJHL] 2009 Entry 143 5 Peter Andersson D Vastra Frolunda Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2009 Entry 173 6 Joe Cannata G Merrimack College [H-East] 2009 Entry 187 7 Steven Anthony L Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 2008 Entry Draft Num. Round Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM 2008 Entry 10 1 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Battalion [OHL] 328 64 78 142 68 2008 Entry 41 2 Yann Sauve D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8 0 0 0 0 2008 Entry 131 5 Prabh Rai C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 2008 Entry 161 6 Mats Josten-Froshaug C Linkoping HC Jr. [Swe-Jr] 2008 Entry 191 7 Morgan Clark G Red Deer Rebels [WHL] Player development and drafting were clearly pitfalls in Gillis' administration. For a guy that did so much for the Canucks, he sure hasn't been able to find another executive job elsewhere, which is pretty rare. Sure, part of it was the way he was blackballed, but when you look at the actual results, Gillis was probably a difficult to negotiate man, so no one (except Florida) was usually interested. Gillis sucked, big time. Of course I acknowledge that the Canucks went all-in and the Canucks had some great seasons, the point out of this was the cost in doing so. This fanbase often forgets what it cost to go all-in. We were certainly still paying the price for depth not that long ago. Gillis had next to no NHL prospects infused into the lineup when he left.
  12. How many draft picks did Gillis flub in his tenure here? Then look at what Benning inherited versus Gillis. Yes, every GM starts with something, but Gillis left his successor with a lot of bare cupboards.
  13. If you were to ask me, I don't think it would've mattered. I'm not saying the league was necessarily 'against' us, but I'm also saying that the inconsistencies of the league have cost teams like the Canucks. I think the reffing is pretty terrible in many cases, and it's not due to the game being too fast for them. There are some obvious, obvious penalties that happen in front of them that don't get called. Moreover, the punishments that are dishes out for things that are potentially dangerous don't end up being serious enough to help deter future cheapshots. I can't name a player that was akin to a Scott Stevens, but the league is definitely not doing enough to curb dangerous plays, especially hits from behind, particularly around the corners. That being said, players also need to be responsible for themselves for not putting themselves into dangerous positions. The Sedins were very tough players, and it's really time that we stop associating them with weakness. They were never the problem, period. Having someone whose a capable scorer AND enforcer might not have been enough. Penalties would be called on THEM for 'retaliating', but not for the initial penalties. In summary, the league is seemingly getting worse at understanding the game.
  14. The team didn't lose because of the Sedins at all. This is a terrible myth that keeps getting perpetuated by this fanbase. Look at the amount of abuse that the Sedins took, then look at the penalties that weren't called when things happened to them. It sounds conspiratorial, but being punched several times like that SHOULD'VE resulted in roughing penalties. The reality was that the refs put their whistles away when it came to things involving them, but the refs seemingly had NO PROBLEM calling the other stuff.
  15. I don't know about King, but I guess he's a nice dude. I've got nothing against him. I just don't think he's anyone special either.
  16. I think it means that Green can't actually hold players accountable... I mean he benches rookies for mistakes, but doesn't do the same thing when a vet gives the puck away.
  17. If true, what does that say about Green who had five seasons to evaluate this? Doesn't this say a lot more about that coaching staff? It's pretty damning stuff. I thought Green's preseason camps were famous for making ppl throw up...
  18. Cue the scapegoating in this fanbase. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault here. These people getting fired have little to no influence to players getting injured while playing INTENSE hockey. Look around the league and injuries are prevalent in almost every team. A lot of it is just luck. I'm telling ya... when JR gets fired in the future, all the pompoms that are raised for him will suspiciously turn to rifles, just as they are about to shoot the soon-to-be executed.
  19. What same message? This regime has barely done a single thing, and you are talking about them like they've had significant time to execute their plans. Benning said all the right things early on. That can't be denied. How that narrative had changed over the years...
  20. Who cares what you think is toxic? You are not the most eligible person to be making statements about toxicity. LOL.
  21. Dazzle

    You are a legend.

  22. If they're bottom half, why are they doing so well, given the circumstances? Some people only want to repeat the info that they want to believe.
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