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On 6/4/2023 at 11:33 AM, Fred65 said:
Let's hope they recognize he has a future and not do another Forsling on him
Forsling was traded much early on and it ended up being a horrible trade for Vancouver, to say the least. Benning's worst trade by far. At least OEL and Garland are usable. Clendenning was utter trash.
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12 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:
I am not into doing favours for any of the scumbag King's teams of the Sutter era.
You sound like King Heffy right there.
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12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Interesting hire.
As an Assistant he was part of some of the worst clubs in NHL memory. Not a terrible record with the Colorado eagles but otherwise I am wondering if the Ducks are looking for a shot at Kiviharju or Celebrini with this hire
I don't think Anaheim is going to do too bad next year. They have a bunch of excellent prospects because they know how to draft, probably one of the best crops. Anaheim is going to dominate for the next few years because of it. This coach has a ton of experience with developing players, with what it seems like, so I think this will be a GOOD fit.
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7 hours ago, Gurn said:
Just can't see Ray, and Cammi, covering the same team.
Management already sacked one gal for alleged leaks to media.
There is a difference. Ray is an established commentator and Cammi, well, she's the assistant GM. There has to be a significant amount of trust.
The other gal you're mentioning was just a bad hire from the very beginning. The red flags were right there and they hired her anyway.
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9 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Typo, got was supposed to be not. Thought the rest of the sentence may have made that clear, but I edited it now.
He very infrequently plays that hard nosed style he's capable of. Far to often he's just spinning around the outside and taking muffin shots from bad angles. If he was getting under players skin and driving the net, like he's more the capable of, every night he would be easy to like. But he's not that player nearly enough.
Garland has scored quite a few goals in front of the net (usually deflections). He's spinning away from defenders using his size and speed and he's difficult to knock down.
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13 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:
I don't think it's reasonable to put too much merit into preference at these types of tournaments. Players get drafted way to high every year off these principles. Garland is what he is, and personally I'm not a fan. I don't like his style of play when he's got playing hard nosed antagonistic style, which is something that in his time in Vancouver he hasn't done nearly enough. To me, he's a fancy perimeter players that puts up points, but doesn't do anything particularly well.
Maybe he gets judged harshly because he arrived in Vancouver in one of this franchises worst trades, but I'm ready to move on.
Wow, I don't know what to say about this. I thoroughly disagree. How can one be a perimeter player and be a hard nosed antagonistic style? That sounds contradictory.
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4 hours ago, YearoftheNuck said:
I said it before, and I’ll probably say it a hundred times more lol, to me Silovs has the look of a consummate pro. His movements, his positioning, and his reflexes, all look to me like that of a special talent. I’m by no means a goalie coach or anything, but I played goalie all my life and from early on I’ve seen something special in Silovs.
He doesn’t look to me like one of those guys that just got hot for a bit, like Martin in last year’s season, rather Silovs looks like he can have sustainable success.
I think we’re all seeing now why Ian Clark was slamming the draft table demanding that we pick this guy
For what it's worth, he played amazing against Canada in the WJC. He had something like 40 or 50 stops and kept Canada to just 2 goals. Amazing performance, despite their loss.
Now, we see why he's a brilliant prospect pick.
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2 hours ago, Provost said:
He probably will… the NHL is great at recycling coaches, they need a few chances at failing before they are given up on.
It is funny that the team proved it wasn’t the coaching after the initial Boudreau bump, and started flailing badly again.
Tocchet has a similar philosophy and coaching style as Green. He even says so publicly and that he sees the game the same way and talks to Green regularly about coaching and hockey stuff.
I don't think so. I agree that he talks to Green about coaching and hockey stuff, but we were at least competitive in those games with Tocchet. With Green, we had so many bench minors (too many men) and a lack of genuine accountability. Tocchet has shown in his small sample that he holds every player accountable. Green gave free passes to certain people.
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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Willie D got another gig. Don't think Green is any worse than him...
He is worse than Willie D. The amount of talent that Willie D had pales considerably compared to the teams that Green had. Remember, Willie D did not have a Pettersson or a Boeser type of player. It should be noted that he had more wins than Green did, percentage wise. That is NOT good.
Moreover, Willie D has had more success at the lower levels. Green? Yeah, it was Benning's fault for keeping him way too long.
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48 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:
Green will never coach a NHL team ever again.
Pretty much.
51 minutes ago, bh90 said:But Travis Green has a .588 winning percentage in the playoffs.
Winner
Too bad none of his teams, minus the bubble one, would've made it to the playoffs. Lol.
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21 minutes ago, Alflives said:
All coaches want to win. They will play guys who they think will help them win. OJ was a bad pick and a guy who never had the internal drive to be an NHL player. When things got tough he checked out. Weak.
Green has no record of winning lol. All his AHL and NHL tenures have been losing records.
Of course they all want to win, but bad coaching = bad developing.
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17 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:
No we don't need project players. Chances are we roll snake eyes. Give me a solid tough 2nd or 3rd liner. Playoff tough.
We already tried this experiment with what's his name from Boston.
If you left it to Green, he'd leave our prospects to rot.
Juolevi, Gadjovich (ouch, he would've been useful), Kole Lind.
People say our drafting sucks - they don't. When you have an unproven coach (Green has no winning seasons, regardless if it's AHL or otherwise), that is crap.
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I really think Beauvillier was a good pickup. His play surprised me. I don't want to trade any one of these three because I like them each for separate reasons.
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8 hours ago, Gurn said:
Apparently he did, last year.
I was responding to this new situation of him being in the KHL. I stand by this. He has no value now.
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9 hours ago, The King of Kings said:
but does the Canucks holds the right og Kravstov?
Even if the team doesnt want him, they can trade him for something
He has no value.
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7 hours ago, King Heffy said:
Not sure if you've been living under a rock there, but his dad was murdered by Russia's Nazi government and it's fairly hard to get out of that hellhole. The situation there is much worse than under Gorbachev and if he actually wants to stay there I would have serious questions about his character.
There is nothing Nazi about Putin's government. For shame that a certain self-identified Jewish poster was condoning this.
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5 minutes ago, stawns said:
It means they gave up a drafted prospect who plays a very Tocchet kind of game for a couple months of a player who didn't play much and then bolted.
Yeah, some of management's trades and acquisitions have been good, but they also have made some pretty questionable moves.
Kratvsov was a worthwhile gamble I guess, but he really didn't do much while he was here, so maybe he knew that he wasn't cut out for the NHL.
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On 5/12/2023 at 2:12 PM, Warhippy said:
He was one of my two picks last year. BPA has done the canucks very little in the way of help over the past few decades. Virtanen was deemed BPA by a few lists. Juolevi was BPA on a number as well. The issue with lists is when we see that redraft 5 years later we get the idea that the people making those lists hit far less than they miss.
Grabner was the BPA in 2006. Postionally though we needed a big bodied RW/RHC and RHD but passed on Lewis, Stewart and Giroux
2007 with the Sedins and Kesler on line we needed a quality LW and RHD and grabbed BPA Patty White, passed on Perron and Subban
2008, still needed RHD, RHC and an LW. Took BPA Hodgson and passed on Karlsson
2009....still needed RHC, RHD and LW and took BPA Schroeder over Johansson Palmeiri and O'Reilly
If you go way WAY back to numerous draft threads on this very forum. The BPA chosen by Vancouver has consistently not been the best choice over one of the more positional needs.
Bischel is a safe pick to be a 4-6 defenceman at his floor and that's a good thing for any team
Grabner was not BPA. He was a reach from somewhere in the 2nd round, but was a great pick, in hindsight. Few players did what he did, while on the Canucks and on the other teams.
He just didn't much for Vancouver.
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52 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:
I like Lockwood but we have bigger fish to fry than an oft injured borderline 4th line player that tries his best.
Not being harsh but you can find comparables on the open market for close to league min.
I learned that first hand when I was crying about Motte and realized we were ok without him
We weren't okay without him. Our PK immediately sucked without him. Sure he wasn't the only reason for why that was the case, but he was an integral reason.
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1 hour ago, guntrix said:
When are we going to have an honest conversation about all these misses from this management?
Really want to see the Canucks win in my lifetime but I'm having my doubts.
It's a bad trade in hindsight. There was way too much hype in the drafting pedigree.
Also, quite a few Ranger fans feel their prospect development is crappy, which includes Kratvsov.-
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We officially lost this trade. YAY. /sarc
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Canuck fans - never change - the obsession with Benning is unreal.
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1 hour ago, Baggins said:
In hindsight terrible Ballard not working out here. But moving Grabner I fully expected. He ran out of chances and was waiver elligible. Better to move him than lose him for nothing. Rathbone and Hoglander are in that position this year. Too good to clear waivers, but are they good enough to make the team? Depending on offseason moves Hogs might have a chance at making the opening roster. Rathbone I believe will be moved.
The way I looked at the Grabner trade is it was basically a 1st for Ballard and waiver elligible Grabner for taking a cap dump (Bernier). The first was the main part of the trade because if Grabner didn't show he could be lost to waivers. I didn't mind that trade at all. I really liked Ballard when with the Coyotes but didn't see much of him after going east. But as I said, Ballard just didn't seem the same after his offseason hip surgery. I didn't care at all what Grabner became after, and still don't, because it wasn't going to happen here. He would have been lost to waivers here just as he was in Florida. Because he showed up to camp in poor shape (yet again) and was outplayed by others (yet again) in preseason. In 10/11 Grabner had 52 pts in 76 games while Raymond had 53 pts in 82 games. He was really just another Mason Raymond. Who fans here included in every trade proposal. NHL career Raymond had 251 pts in 546 games (.46 ppg), Grabner 276 pts in 640 games (.43 ppg). Yet so many still moan about moving him like we lost some superstar. He spent his career playing for bad to mediocre teams for a reason.
It was a terrible waste of a draft pick - period, and it looked worse that the same GM who traded for him decided to buy him out. This demonstrates an example of poor pro scouting, even though Gillis was also the one who helped find players like Tanev.
Florida may not have benefited much from the trade in hindsight, but it still was a poor use of a draft pick. Speaking of which, Gillis never found anyone (!) in the first round, aside from high draft picks like Hodgson and Horvat. We couldn't even grow our own depth players, except maybe Hutton.
Gillis spent a lot of our treasure chest and never was able to draft with the picks that he did have. He's a GM who had some great years with playoff teams, but he's definitely not a GM you'd want to rebuild a team around. Some people say that Gillis had a plan to rebuild, but was thwarted or interfered by Aqua. Yet how do we explain why he couldn't draft depth players using 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round picks in any given year? That wasn't on Aqua. That's on Gillis and his team.
Gillis did have a few mid to late round 1st round picks, Gaunce and Jensen being one of them. I actually liked Jensen, but again, he didn't amount to anything. He also had some 2nd rounders. Somehow though, we didn't get anyone else except Connauton (who was traded away before he played)
Let's remember the great playoff years under Gillis, but let's also not forget the reality of it. He really wasn't good towards the tail end of his tenure here.
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14 hours ago, Baggins said:
Ballard had Hamhuis and Edler ahead of him. You can't ignore that Edler was better offensively and Hamhuis was better defensively when looking at Ballards ice time. But Ballard also wasn't the same after his hip surgery. He looked absolutely awful to start the season here. Even prospects were blowing past him in preseason. Were you coach V would you have given Ballard more ice time than either Hamhuis or Edler? I wouldn't.
As to being a "one sided" trade, Florida lost Grabner to waivers without playing a game for them. The 1st was Howden who was a bust that played 94 games (17 pts) for them over three seasons and wasn't qualified leaving as a UFA. Plus Bernier who was a cap dump in the deal that played 68 games for them and walked as a UFA. Florida really got nothing for Ballard. The only winner in the deal was the Isles who picked up Grabner off waivers. Which would have happened had we kept him.
Grabner was forgetable. But who blundered more us or Florida? Florida wasn't that good and Grabner was cut to be sent to the AHL but was claimed off waivers. We were a cup contender with our entire top 6 coming of career years. Grabner repeatedly failed fitness tests every camp here. Because of that, and being waiver elligible, he was trade bait. No contender is going to move a top 6 forward coming off a career year to roll the dice on an unkown that can't show up to camp in shape and ready to compete year after year.
Even when you look at McCann did we truly blunder? How long are you supposed to wait before it's not a blunder? We traded McCann to Florida. They traded him to Pittsburgh. They traded him to Toronto. Toronto didn't protect him and he was claimed by the Kracken in the expansion draft. That's a whole lot of blunders before he finally established himself as a top line player. The simple truth is you have to trade something to get something. We traded a potential top 6 forward for a potential top 4 d-man. Both were young, and neither came with guarantees. Lacking a crystal ball you make trades based on what you know in the here and now.
You gotta admit, trading Grabner and a 1st was a terrible trade, regardless of what happened. People often talk about how Gillis made moves, which he did, but rarely do they comment about the bad trades.
He also bought out Ballard, the same player that he traded for.
There's no question that Gillis brought in great players during free agency, but there were some absolutely awful trades and drafting under his watch. Look no further than the fact that he only drafted three usable players throughout his tenure - Hodgson, Hutton, and Horvat.
Gillis did good things, such as pushing out playoff teams. The Canucks were 1 game away from the Cup under his watch. Yet his legacy was his drafting and lack of development. Over 5 years of drafting and not a single player remained, except Horvat.
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[3-Way Trade] Blue Jackets acquire Ivan Provorov; Flyers acquire Cal Petersen, Sean Walker, Helge Grans, 2023 1st-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick, conditional 2024 2nd-round pick; Kings acquire Kevin Connauton, Hayden Hodgson
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Every coach has limitations. The players themselves have to do the rest.
RT feels like Green - a losing record coach. If Boudreau, a winning coach overall, can't make that team into the playoffs, the team has to go.