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This guy is a proven AHL player, with only about a season's worth of NHL time. 26 years old. I feel like the Canucks could use him. I really don't like how Green underutilizes players like Bailey and Podkolzin, but is very willing to put a defensively liable Rathbone out.

Sounds like Baumgartner sucks, right? @King Heffy

We're just gonna pass it around.

I don't understand why we had to bring Green back. The extension was sooo bad.

Rathbone isn't waiver eligible.

Rathbone is worth waiting for. He's just not NHL ready now. I don't get why he gets countless chances to be a defensive liability, but podkolzin has a tight leash. Absolutely trash standards.

Dunno why he's still in the lineup. Needs AHL time, been calling that all preseason. Coach Green obviously thinks there's value for him to stay in the NHL,, being a defensive liability.

He's been gifted so many opportunities. He better score!

And what adjustments have we seen with Green? All kinds of talk in those Canucks videos, but execution lacking.

Once again, we are outshot, even though we're in need of goals. Why? And Chiasson inexplicably gifted PP minutes.

I'm telling ya. There's not much accountability with Rathbone and Green. He's clearly not ready for the NHL yet. I don't understand why we play a rookie when there's schenn and hunt waiting in the wings.

There was nothing wrong for Jersey to turn their unknown draft pick for what should've been a legitimate NHL starter. The Canucks were outright hosed in this trade (at the time). We had next to no prospects at this time. Without Horvat developing as he is, we would lack a top six center, in addition to the massive holes on defense and goaltending! Incredibly incompetent management by a certain GM, who essentially handcuffed himself and the team's future.

Much of this information has either been forgotten, or manipulated to reflect how 'good' the trade was. At the time (not hindsight), the trade was awful. Here's why: A known quantity in Schneider was the price for an unknown high draft pick that was not #1, 2, or 3 ranked. A known quantity for an unknown. Moreover, Horvat apparently had skating issues that could have prevented him from becoming the player he is today. But as you said, Horvat worked his ass off with a skating instructor, so he turned his weakness into a strength. In hindsight, the trade is lopsided for the Canucks, but this was a massive gamble that the Canucks were lucky to win on. Imagine if Horvat didn't pan out. Schneider would have been gone and our near empty prospect pool would dry up. Yikes.

I very much appreciate your insights on this. Thank you! I know I'm not the only one who really enjoys reading them, even if there is the odd disagreement!

I thought we weren't supposed to take a GM's public word for it, but we're supposed to believe what the journalists say about stories. My bad.

Uh no. Even the Sharks demoted him to the AHL.

The public space also spoke about Gaudette and him being patient zero, while also falsely suggesting that Hughes was on IV. The media has its motivations for pushing a story - and you know this

It's hard to take you seriously with this kind of commentary. As much as people have complained about losing Gads/Juolevi (I had pretty high hopes for Juolevi myself), they are/were not cornerstone pieces for this team. They should have been nice pieces to supplement. Given that you made no mention about OEL/Garland, as well as the other prospects, it's kind of hilarious that the focus is entirely on the negative with no mention about the positives.

Bingo. There seems to not be a possibility where Dahlen doesn't screw the Canucks. This was 100 percent on Dahlen.

Coaching has been a major question mark for me this season, more than ever. Green's teams have almost always had a lackluster second period, similar to what we saw last night. This has obviously not been addressed in so many iterations. Another aspect about Green are the too many men penalties. Though this has likely been addressed recently, it is no coincidence that Green's teams have been consistently ranked as ones who generally take the most bench minors. I see a total of 36. And to be fair, he's in the same category as several well-known coaches as well, so it's not necessarily fair to blame Green's systems per se for the TMM penalties. His worst two seasons were also the most recent, however. (Minus this year). Green also has his favourites. The fact that Gadj had little playing time, while Chiasson was essentially gifted PP minutes is reflective of his many coaching decisions. Chiasson did a lot of the "little things", but no result. I don't blame Chiasson for not scoring; I'm sure he wants to score more than anyone else. However, this is on Green for gifting him minutes that he doesn't deserve. Moreover, gifting a roster spot for a guy who didn't even PRODUCE in the preseason at all. His one goal this year was a complete fluke off his skate. Lastly, the way Rathbone is being used. Last night's game shows several poor defensive coverages: Appleton's breakaway because Rathbone let him by, and on the same play, the rebound because Rathbone overskated the puck/Appleton. Had Demko not cleared the puck, Rathbone's positioning was virtually nonexistent. Additionally, the second goal last night was due to Rathbone backing up too much and letting the pass get through. There was also the poor defensive coverage on McDavid during Oilers' game where Rathbone gave him a completely open lane. You see, any other defenseman would get benched for these defensive lapses, but Rathbone still got more minutes/PP opportunity than Juolevi ever did. That to me says A LOT about Green as a coach. Rathbone is not producing right now, nor is he really generating much offense, so what is his role on the team? He's a defensive liability and needs more refinement in the AHL. Just because he's on his last year of his ELC doesn't mean he should be gifted a roster spot. Here are the Too Many Men penalties Statistics taken from https://morehockeystats.com/coaches/toomanymen# 2021-2022 1 TMM penalty so far. 2020-2021 2019-2020 2018-2019 - surprisingly, he was among the lowest here. 2017-2018 - on the lower end

Benning said that some players were demanding a spot, but weren't ready for it. He stated that Dahlen requested the trade, so the team accommodated his request. JP Barry did not deny any of the comments, even acknowledging that trade talks did come up in their discussion. Dahlen didn't even spend one year in the AHL before bolting. When Dahlen made it to the Sharks, he had the opportunity to make their poor roster (they were a bottom feeding team at the time). Yet Dahlen was sent down to the AHL (again). This confirms that the Canucks were right to send him down to the AHL. Also, when Dahlen went back to Sweden, he went back to the same tier Swedish league, producing marginally improved numbers. Several years later, he's finally made his NHL debut. Before this time, neither the Sharks nor the Canucks really benefitted from the trade. There was no such impact player that came out of it.

My god. If true, Canucks sure mishandled Juolevi on this one. That said, I am really liking Lamikko. Ah, thanks for the clarification. This may be why Rathbone is kept up, plus the extra 500,000 cap if/when he is recalled.

You should get your hindsight checked out.

I like Juolevi, but Lammikko is extremely underrated. I think he's done so much more than any of the plugs we had last season.

Totally agreed. Rathbone is really showing his holes. I mean I saw them in the preseason. Canucks need to send Rathbone down before his 9 games.