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9 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
You knew it, a lot of us did
Indeed. Why would any organization decline to use publicly available data to better themselves. You better believe someone in Canucks management kept tabs on it for fan sentiment, media used it, and I guarantee some player at some time couldn't resist checking it themselves.
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I just want to point out that some fans live outside the province. I've been a fan for 3 decades, but in 2000 I moved to Alberta for work.
As one can imagine, trying to be a fan out here is a challenge when everyone is a stanch supporter of the Flames or the Oil. This was my link to other Canuck fans so I felt like part of the Canucks community from afar.
So the question is: How long before I'm a Flames fan? With the help of CDC, I've avoided it for 23 years...
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HIGHLY disappointed. Almost beyond words. I always thought this was something that most other teams didn't have that helped us be a community and feel like part of the team, of sorts.
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I've been quite impressed with this game. Convincing win. Goaltending was strong, as was team structure and defense.
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Just now, RWJC said:
Agreed but not many teams can fit the Myers cap hit of 6mill. That’s the biggest hurdle imho…what the cost is to shed that
Yeah, the actual teams that will be interested in absorbing that are few. But at least it's good value for the team that would acquire him, so although I understand other GMs wanting to weaponize their cap space, I still think it's a smart move for a rebuilding team to take on a vet like Myers who should be stable enough on a crappy team for 1M. I think there is enough value there that the Canucks wouldn't need to add. I hate seeing the team send out assets PLUS sweeteners. That's why when people were/are taking about giving away picks to take Garland, etc, I'm like... heck no. He DOES have worth - even it it may not be equally proportionate to salary.
If Myers has no takers without hurting our futures, I say we play the season with him. He MAY still have a bounceback season, and may hold value at the TDL. Although I know everyone involved wants this to be the turn-around year for the team (and it still can be), it's unlikely all the new and old players will gel immediately and that we rise to the top of the league this season anyway.
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There is certainly a road to see our D finish its improvement. As of tomorrow (?), Myers' bonus will be paid and he should be entirely movable - maybe even for a small asset. Then move one of our extra top/middle 6 wingers or package them with Myers so that one way or another, we get our 1b to compliment Hughes. (Whether that be Pesce or someone similar who maybe isn't seemingly on a decline already)
If Allvin manages to make this happen before opening night, my confidence for success this season would jump from "guardedly moderate" to "high". -
50 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:
Without going down the rabbit hole that is the butterfly effect, wouldn't that roster be about $15m over the cap?
Well, yes, of course. But that's always the way the NHL goes. If you are a team fortunate enough to keep drafting legit players, eventually you're going to have to move on from them due to cap space, but they end up getting replaced with solid picks to keep the joy going. So no, we wouldn't ACTUALLY have that lineup. But if we had to trade, you'd hope they'd trade for a younger asset or draft pick who would (over the course of development) turn into a solid player which could be played on an ELC for 3 years. I only added those names as an example of what kind of assets we could have amassed if the right picks were made.
50 minutes ago, HKSR said:When I look at Virtanen with the Hitmen, I saw a player that was physically more mature than his peers, and so that made a difference in him producing in the WHL. But when you actually look at his production, he had that 1 good season of 45 goals in 71 games, and a PPG. The other seasons he was at most a 30 goal scorer ... in the WHL. Not sure why people expected him to score 30+ goals in the NHL. I figured 20 to 25 goals would be his absolute ceiling, but he didn't even reach those numbers.
With Juolevi, I saw a #1 defenceman that anchored the blueline for the Knights and the Finland teams. He had all the tools to be that bonafide #1 anchor defenceman. He simply couldn't translate it to the NHL (injuries had a lot to do with it). I felt Juolevi's ceiling was much higher than Virtanen.
I also considered the fact he was physically more developed, but I don't think that actually turned out to be a problem for him. Even in the NHL he WAS still quite strong, speedy, and could throw a hit... but all only when he wanted to. Which is to say, rarely. He lacked a bit of skill and a LOT of hockey IQ required to hold down a key role, but I thought a 2nd line role was at least possible, and at WORST, I thought he'd be able to hold down a 3rd line role as a guy who doesn't score a lot, but is a bitch to play against. He became neither.
In the end, I think it's a good example that 110% effort and dedication are required when reaching this level... regardless of one's toolbox. And coincidentally why as much as my 11 year old son has some skill and talks about the day he's an NHL player, I know deep down he doesn't have the personality and mindset to make that a possibility...
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1 hour ago, Citizen Erased said:
I thought he had retired.
He doesn't retire until first day at camp. Then he passes out on the ice....
1 hour ago, HKSR said:Such a disappointment... I think it's more disappointing how Juolevi turned out than how Virtanen did.
Not to me. Juolevi just wasn't ready to begin an NHL journey. Ultimately he wasn't skilled enough, and clearly was not in good enough shape. The only extra disappointment here is that I was happy we drafted a blue chip defenseman because we really needed that boost from the back end and it never came.
Virtanen, on the other hand, HAD the tools; he was always on the cusp of breaking out. Yes, he also came to camp out of shape but if he just committed himself, he would have been fine and would have had an NHL career. Instead, he f'd around and found out. To me, that's far more disappointing to see a guy throw his career away than a guy who was destined never to have one in the first place.
Either way, those are two *major* flubs which made it that much harder to become a competitive team again. If we made difference choices in a parallel universe, we could have had:Kuz Pettersson Mik
Fiala Miller Boeser
Beauvillier Suter Podz Garland
Joshua Blueger Podz
Hogs, DiGiuseppe
Hughes McAvoy
Cole HronekSoucy Myers
Wolanin, Hirose
Cest le vie
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He will probably see some time as an injury fill-in this season and carried as an extra, but I also feel he'd benefit more from playing in the AHL, or even back in the SHL (if that's even contractually possible).
Truthfully, for a 6th round draft pick and limited ice time and who had to adjust to the NHL game, his 16 points in 68 games shows quite a bit of promise. That said, it looked to me at times like he was a bit overmatched at this level and could use some high-competition seasoning to put it all together. -
While I knew a Hughes would be involved before even looking at the proposal, I didn't expect it to be the other 2 brothers coming to Vancouver.
As sweet of a marketing wet dream as it would be to have 3 Hughes' on our team, if Huggy was ever to be united with his brothers, it'll be Quinn going the other way. If it ever does become a consideration between NJ and VAN, you better believe Vancouver would be wise to over-ask for payment, in hopes that New Jersey wants the 3 together so bad that they are willing to sell the the farm to make it happen. As they should; players like Quinn (and his bros) don't come around often.
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Nope.
First, a lot depends on this year. Speculation is that Petey wants to see how this year goes, and a lot of changes were made. If this season doesn't right the ship, this team will continue to be in the flux we've already been through for some time. A lot of things need to go right, and goaltending has proven to be key to the success of this team especially.
Second is tied to the first, whereby strong goaltending is a must. A GM doesn't bet his teams future on a prospect or a maybe. He has a ways to go still before relying on him as our goalie of the future is a reasonable risk.
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40 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:
I agree, Miller was an excellent candidate. His voice will be heard both on and off the ice, since he is a big part of the leadership group.
I also thought Miller would be the best choice. He's very vocal with both teammates and the media, and probably presents better than the soft-spoken Hughes. But he IS a bit of a loose cannon, and if there is any truth to him rubbing people the wrong way in the locker room (no pun intended) then that's a quick way to cause a divide through the team. The Canucks need to get it going, and cannot afford another mulligan season or more drama.
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Somehow, our smallest guy being the captain seems... off. I know, it shouldn't have a bearing... but I envison little Quinn as an elf giving it to a big guy like Myers and it looking almost comical. Guess you earn respect by your play, and he's earned it.
But really... he gives it his all, is passionate, has a strong structured upbringing, os accointable and ilikeable, and an amazing player to boot.
I think it's a fine choice. Even if I quite expected this to be Peteys team.
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They obviously feel very highly about him. I haven't seen him play enough to make a judgement myself, but that's a MASSIVE contract to pay for a small sample size.
On the flip side, if he projects as they clearly think he will, that contract could be a steal halfway through when 8m is considered the minimum for a good defenseman. -
4 hours ago, higgyfan said:
How so? Prior to last season, he's had very similar #s since he was signed in Vancouver.
I agree that he brings a more physical style to his game and would be a great fit on the 3rd line.
He will likely be rusty, but he will get up to speed soon enough. He's always been a good skater.
His shot might be compromised a bit.
I'm happy for Pears and am hopeful that he will bring a more qualified game to the 3rd line.
I'm pretty sure he was the kind of player to go many games without scoring, and then put up a bunch in a row. That's game to game, which is what I was primarily speaking about. But even per season, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. Look at his scoring pace per game by season:
In 18-19 with Penguins, he scored at .32 ppg. His first few games with the Canucks to close out that year, he went up to .63. Almost double. OK - fine. Different team, different linemates, different structure. That doesn't necessarily indicate inconsistency. And in his first full year with this team, he ran a .65. So his season was consistent with his short stint the year prior with the team, but if you factor in that year's performance with the Penguins as well, he did notably better than the year prior. But alas, 20-21 he went down to .35... almost half the production. He recovered the following year with .50 - which constitutes more than a 40% increase, only to then go back down in 22-23 to .36 ppg. So his record is almost a perfect up/down/up/down/up/down pattern, and not by negligible amounts.
We're talking up to 50% swings here, with only one year where it didn't follow the up/down/up/down pattern, and that's only if you fudge the numbers by including only the portion he played on the Canucks. I'd say that's pretty inconsistent!But we can all agree that cap implications aside, it will be nice to see him back on this team again.
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No guarantee of goals so far this season.
That's probably a good thing...
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43 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikheyev
Garland Miller Boeser
Pearson Suter Beauvillier
Joshua Blueger Podkolzin
Hoglander
Hughes Soucy
Cole Hronek
Irwin Myers
WooBrisebois
The issue is who do you want to lose to waivers?
Hoglander? Woo? Ratbone? Brisebois? The issue is it basically forces their hand to waive a young player regardless of camp.
I don’t see any way they don’t trade a forward before opening night.
That's objectively a pretty good lineup. That 3rd line could be far more productive than most.
Yeah, I don't know all the ins and outs to work around the cap, but it seems likely someone has to go. Though I would say that Myers may look pretty attractive to a team with cap available as well, though one could argue that as a 3rd pairing d, he's actually a good fit to stay.
And I feel guys like Podz and Hogs should now be seasoned enough to hold down a 4th like role, so the logjam really is in the forward position.
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After such a long absence, I would be surprised if he returned the Pearson we knew. He was already inconsistent, but I imagine a season of working his hand won't feel so great.
With that said, if he's not the player we lose to cap compliance, it sure would be nice to see the Pearson from a couple years ago on this team. His physicality especially on the boards is underrated and while he's no star, does provide secondary scoring.
I expect him to be rusty and hope his shot recovers, but he could end up a solid addition to the 3rd line if he can manage to heal and get back up to speed.
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It was indeed a bad d, poor structure (including back when Travis was coach), and Demko playing poorly for a solid portion.
Assuming this team doesn't just fall apart as we've seen in years prior, it will be relying on a good amount of scoring and therefore hopefully more play in the other end. The D when called upon should be notably better - although I'm still craving a proper partner for Hughes...
Reliance on Demko *should* be far lessened. But if this is expected to be a playoff team, he's gonna have to be clutch at times. Besides in the bubble when he was otherworldly, he hasn't seemed that consistent. Injuries don't help. He needs to be.
As for Petey, which the thread is about, he will be key, and needs to be the offensive beacon the others can follow. I have a feeling that being a contract year and just his own drive that he's going to have a monster season.
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4 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:
And people cried we gave up a 1st for him smfh
I would suspect that perspective had something to do with:
a) Benning having a problem with giving up draft picks when rebuilding teams generally try to collect them (we also gave up a 3rd) and
b) Prior to Vancouver, Miller had not shown himself to be anywhere close to a point a game player.
Personally, I liked the trade because I've always loved the way Miller played and had wanted him on our team for some time prior. But it was a lot to give up on a hope he would improve. Improve he did (beyond my expectations) and that price seems like a pretty good deal now. But hindsight is 20/20, right? -
That's a lot of cash, but I was predicting 13m flat, so that seems about as expected in my mind.
So, based on that, what does Petey insist on?
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I actually like him as a target, and wouldn't at all mind him on the 4th line WITH Joshua. I believe there'd be room and a relative need for both to help offset our smallish team. Of course, it would require a better forward being moved out, but that has been the running expectation anyway. As I understand it, if Pearson comes back and Poolman remains on LTIR, we're still 1M over the cap. If that's true and we were to move Garland (5) or Beauvillier (4), and bring in Comtois, that would put us 2-3 million in cap space available which could be used to either combine with another player moving out to bring in a true impact guy, or simply wait until TDL to pick up some depth.
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Not sure what their cap situation looks like now with their top 2 centers gone, but I actually liked Chaisson in our team and they could do worse. He is what he is, and I felt bad that cdc ragged on him for not being more while on the Canucks.
The dude is versatile if nothing else, and could be a cheap and consistent, if unspectacular option to regain some center depth. It's still a Zacha or bust situation in any event for Boston.
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I think Jersey would indeed want all the Hughes brothers. Think the marketing potential!
But in order for that to happen, it's up to the Devils to present a trade offer that is so much overpayment that Allvin would have no choice but to accept trading away the best defenseman this club has ever had. I feel assets brought up in recent posts are pretty much what they'd need to offer to make it happen. And even WITH all the assets coming back, NJ still gets the best player of the bunch, and the Canucks will be once again struggling to find their #1 quarterback until one of either Nemec or WIllander hopefully step up to fill that role.
I say Siegenthaler, Nemec, Mercer, 1st rd pick for Hughes and Garland.
Kuz Petey BoeserBeau Miller Mercer
Podz Suter Mik
Hogz Blueger JoshuaAman, PDG, Stud
IR: Pearson
Siegenthaler Hronek
Cole Myers
Soucy Mcward
Wolanin, Bris, Juulsen
After a couple of years:Siegenthaler Hronek
Soucy Nemec
Hirose Willander
(Trade) Canucks trade Pearson to Montreal
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Actually, I like the trade. It helps our cap situation, mainly. It also moves a winger, of which we have (had?) too many, and gives us an NHL-experienced backup. His numbers in Pittsburg were actually quite decent.