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  1. That was unfortunate. But relying on the guy to be huge part of the lineup in the first place was the start of that chapter of fail.
  2. Anybody else not sold on Tatar or Nyquist? Only a franchise like Detroit would see them amount to anything. Here, they'd be ripped from day one.
  3. Not sure what's more useless in that article. The ho-hum generic statements made by the Canucks staff. Or Botchford's silly hyperbole.
  4. I had to chuckle at the Horvat=Toews, Shinkaruk=Kane automatic jump to conclusion by CDC after they were drafted. No.
  5. BanTSN

    Anton Rodin | RW/LW

    No nothing's changed. Still to weak to play in the NHL, let lone AHL. Definitely not worth making a 2nd round selection on, but the Canucks were talking about taking him with their 1st round selection. Good Lord. Does anyone really believe this garbage drafting will ever improve? We as fans should stand up and DEMAND better drafting.
  6. Further to the point of not drafting undersized weaklings if you ultimately want to win, i've compiled a list of players to AVOID in the NHL 2014 draft. This is from the central scouting list. Chase De Leo. Too small, not overly aggressive, sheltered on a deep team, and not skilled enough to get over the lack of NHL size to become a decent scorer. Bust with highly-sheltered depth scoring potential, tops. Josh Ho-Sang. Too skinny, not overly aggressive, sheltered on a deep team, and not skilled enough to get over the lack of NHL weight to become a decent scorer. Will spend years to put on weight, will likely slow down in that process, will likely be hurt often, and will likely bust. Nikolaj Ehlers. Too skinny, not overly aggressive, from Denmark, sheltered on a deep team, and not skilled enough to get over the lack of NHL weight to become a decent scorer. Think Anton Rodin, who's also not an NHLer. Robby Fabbri. Again too skinny, not overly aggressive, sheltered on a deep team, and not skilled enough. Another low qualcomp-type player, tops. Spencer Watson. Is a 157lb boy. He never takes penalties. He'll never pan out in the NHL unless there is some miracle taking place. Think Kyle Wellwood, except not as fat. Brayden Point. Another 150lb boy. Pass. Daniel Audette. Son of Donald. Destined to be picked by midget Hab squad. The midget will never win anything, just like dear ol' dad. Kyle Jenkins. Too skinny and not skilled enough to have significant NHL defenseman upside. Tanner Macmaster. 146lbs of pure bust. Will likely not be drafted. Francis Perron. Too skinny to become anything but a scorer against weak AHLers. Olivier Leblanc. Too small for NHL defenseman upside. QMJHL defenseman are generally soft. Seamus Malone. His name is Seamus, for starters, but this guy plays a bit chippier brand of hockey than the other midgets. Might be worth a late rounder. If he puts on some weight you can cross your fingers for a Brad Marchand-type. Alexy Sleptsov. Too skinny and not skilled enough for significant NHL defenseman upside. Future constant minus. Daniel Walcott. Again too skinny and not skilled enough for significant NHL defenseman upside. QMJHL guy. Michael Lee. Ditto. Nickolas Broulliard. Another too small Q defenseman. Ivan Nicholishin. Impish Russian center. Think poor-man's Shirokov. This is just a no-brainer approach to drafting effectively. It's easy. Avoid soft midgets and you come out ahead. The Canucks still draft too many undersized players who are not overly aggressive or skilled. Those type of players never win anything in the NHL. Once you eliminate these guys from your prospect pool, you can then move on to greater heights, like figuring out which big players will be fast enough to compete in the bigs. Or which average-sized players have the skill and aggression to compete in the bigs. Baby steps, folks. 40+ years later and we're still taking baby steps at the drafting table. (Hopefully.)
  7. The Canucks should be BANNED from the draft, as they clearly don't know how to do it. 40+ years of junk.

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    2. KFBR392

      KFBR392

      sedins.. kesler.. bieksa.. linden.. edler.. tanev.. burrows.. schneider.. grabner.. hansen.. hodgson.. they may not all be superstars, but they're all talented players that other teams covet. We aren't excellent at drafting, but saying "40 years of junk" is a little over the top.

    3. Brad Marchand

      Brad Marchand

      What does "constantly" mean, anyway? Constantly as in picking 5'9" players with every selection? Because last time I checked, Subban and Schroeder are the only current Canucks prospects at that height.

      You're always using hyperbole to get your point across. So much so that you're probably doing it just to listen to the sound of your own voice.

      Reply if you want, I'm done.

    4. BanTSN

      BanTSN

      Constantly as in throughout Canuck drafting history. Funny that Brad Marchand is your moniker. That's the type of 5'-9" player we should be looking at. Aggressive enough to counter the size deficiency. Either that or skilled enough. Subban and Schroeder are neither.

  8. Why? Other teams are able to win with vets.
  9. Linden gave his heart and soul to this team, played his entire on a Canuck hometown discount, and is regarded the best Canuck ever. How was it shameful? Really? Again, Keenan ruined this team. He didn't make it better. Only using hindsight does that trade pan out for us, however the WCE didn't do anything in the playoffs but win one round, so what are we referring to? I think more fans need to realize what it takes for great franchises to be great. A great franchise would NEVER trade Linden. It was the most shameful thing the Canucks ever did. At least Burke realized that and got him back for us. What we need to do, again, is to start drafting and developing the players required to help our core guys out. This is what great franchises do.
  10. Trading Linden was probably the most shameful thing the Canucks ever did. What we need to do is start drafting players to compliment our core. Not disrespecting our core over and over again and ditching them for players that other teams are able to draft. What's sad is that people here view the Linden trade as great. It was not great. Nothing about the Keenan era was great. But with hindsight being 20/20, it turned out to be good. Do you know where i'm going with this? Why do we applaud the Linden trade using 20/20 hindsight while excusing our horrible drafting... Because hindsight is 20/20?!?!?! Time to end the cycle of failure, folks. Time to start DRAFTING and DEVELOPING the help our core needs.
  11. Yes, because we have such a history of effective drafting and player development. What, is Jordan Schroeder to lift the cup for this team or something? The cup is bigger than he is.
  12. How? Most regard the WCE as a playoff failure. We want more than that, please.
  13. My thoughts? Well I'm thinking this analysis should have been put in the PGT, along with everyone else's. There is nothing jaw-dropping about any of this OP to make it worth it's own thread. Also thinking that it's never a good thing when non-scorers look like your best players.
  14. However, technically you have 0 cups since 1967. Sooooo...
  15. The WCE era saw us win one bloody playoff round in years, only because St. Louis had the flu. I certainly hope more success than that is 'around the corner.'
  16. I think it's pathetic that a fan would bring up 1967 as if it's a good thing. However, Rob Ford and Justin Bieber are from the same area, so pathetic is typical.
  17. Our need to get rid of our great franchise players as soon as they look like they're in some trouble is exactly what keeps this franchise from being truly great. Did Detroit fans panic when Yzerman's numbers took a huge dive? No. His team gave him piles of help and he went on to win cups. This is just one example. The Sedins are a couple of the best players this team has EVER had. The list of career Canucks in their league is so thin, it's a joke. And yet we want to get rid of them because they're too banged up from all that carrying the team. That, my friends, is embarrassing. They're signed to NMC's and I think they should retire as Canucks. I believe that's the plan. I hope it's the plan. Because we need to break the cycle of embarrassment, like the Linden trade and sending Naslund packing. What the team should focus on is giving their good players some better help.
  18. I posted this in the proposals section, but it probably doesn't belong there as proposals are more specific, like 'trade for Stamkos' etc. And that OP is just too epic. So I made it into a blog. It's my first entry and likely last one for awhile. Thanks for reading if you decide to. The Canucks Should Start Acquiring More Truly Great Players - A History The Sedins are great players, but still down the list of ALL-TIME greats. Bure was better. Probably the best Canuck of all time. Naslund was up there too. ... Is that it? Do you consider Luongo one of the all-time greats? Not sure. Maybe if he won a cup. So I guess that's it. One player per decade, unless you count the Sedins as one player, and honestly they'll likely be inducted in the HOF as a pair. Um, that's not a lot. In fact i'm wondering if that's a league-low. But i don't want to look into it, nor start a debate with homers about whether ho-hum players like Ohlund, Smyl and Snepts are all-time greats. Not to mention Linden. (I get into that later.) I propose that we start acquiring more truly great players if we want to ultimately win a cup. How though? First, we should probably use the draft to do it. Throughout Canuck history we've squandered picks on slow big players and small fast players. Or just plain up wrong players. From day 1 this team has stunk at drafting. Tallon over Sittler, Leach, Macleish. Then it continues on. Guevermont over Martin. Lalonde over Larry Robinson. And on and on. Lever over Shutt. Ververgeart over Lanny Macdonald. Sedlbauer over Mark Howe. Gillis over Wilson. That ancient pattern has sadly repeated itself for this team to this very day. Wouldn't it be better for this team if they simply stopped drafting the wrong players? Over and over and over again? I sure think so. Moreso, I would like it for the team to stop telling us that the wrong player they picked was actually the right player. We're not idiots. We know a good player when we see one, let lone a great one. We've seen plenty a great player come into our arena and dominate us. Secondly, how about trading for some? Or at least stop trading the ones you have away for garbage. Or losing them for nothing. I think the Canucks would've been a much better team if they had not traded Neely away. Heck, Rick Vaive? Maybe the Canucks would've been a much better team if they had kept Bure. And Larionov. Heck, Nedved went onto be a 90pt player. Peca went to the finals. Mogilny was great and all, but not so much for us. He won as soon as we traded him though. Third, wouldn't it be nice if the Canucks could be like these other great franchises who draft great players, make great signings and great trades? Maybe we could sign some great players. The only great players we've signed lately have been expired goods. Remember Mats Sundin? He is one of the all-time greats. But for us? Embarrassing. Why is that? Why is it the Canucks always seem to get players who are currently embarrassing? I think the Canucks should certainly stop doing that if they want to ultimately win. Polasek over Valeri Bure. Remember that? Fourth, hey, maybe the Canucks should keep their great players they have happy. That way they wouldn't all want to instantly leave when they get the chance. I dunno. Maybe just and idea. I guess we're doing that more though. However, we're still not getting enough in the draft, signings and trades. Fifth. How about being able to develop players correctly. That would sure help. Hey, remember how long it took the Sedins to finally become good? To not be soft? To finally be able to score in this league regularly. If you don't remember, it was around six years, and that's only because the league softened the rules to cut down on obstruction. That's a pretty long time to get players who are talented 2nd and 3rd overall picks (we've never had a first overall) to finally develop into decent NHL players. Shouldn't the Canucks get better at that too if they ultimately want to win? I think so. And how about Trevor Linden? We consider him the best Canuck of all time, but he's NOT one of the all-time greats. I think we loved Trevor Linden so much because the Canucks finally drafted a player who looked decent, AND he stuck around, sort of. That only took 19 years. 19 years? Wow, that's a long time. The only other guys we drafted up until then who looked decent were Vaive and Neely, but they had to go elsewhere to be good. Remember how we traded Linden anyway? Remember how we signed the guy who broke him in the playoffs to take over the team? Like a slap in the face? Wow, you don't see any great franchises treat their beloved players so poorly. Do you? Sixth, I recommend that the Canucks stop throwing their good players under the bus. It's pretty darn shameful if you ask me. I think that there are some players they're looking at right now and saying, 'Hey! You're no good anymore! Get out of here, you no good player, you.' When actually they're still good. It's just that they're playing on a crap team. Seventh, maybe the Canucks should stop trading those good players away and instead trade the bad players who make the team crap away instead. I think this ties into drafting and development as well. Maybe stop drafting crap and having crap development. I think that would help a lot. In conclusion, I guess things have been better as of late. Not everything is as crappy as what it was in the 70's, 80's (except '82) and the Messier era. But they're still not all that great. Why is that? Well, because we're still not getting enough great players. We're not keeping the good ones around. And we have too many crappy players in our lineup currently. That's why they're losing currently, and that's why they ultimately haven't won a cup. Just way too many crappy players in our lineups throughout team history. I've suggested 7 things that the Canucks should be doing in order to turn that around. They're all pretty good suggestions i think. And they're all pretty easy to do. Just draft better. (Quit highlighting the wrong players on your picklist and instead highlight the right ones. That would be a good start.) Then start making some decent trades and signings. Easy enough. We've done that before to a degree. Not 'great' trades and signings per se, but some alright ones. (Heck, remember when we traded for Naslund? Yay that was a gooder) And once we got these good players, it's pretty important to help them out in every way, not throw them under the bus. I have a feeling that the Sedins are going to be thrown under the bus after their 4 year deal too. Say SEE ya! after all those years of service while supporting them with garbage complimentary players during a weak retooling period. What's the deal with that? I don't think any great franchise would do that to their great players. It's wrong. We need to stop being wrong. Okay, sorry for the long read, but I think essentially the concept is pretty easy to follow. Thanks for reading.
  19. Ban TSN! Ban CBC! Ban Toronto! They're all trolling idiots!

  20. Kevin Lowe won, like, SO many cups too.
  21. True, but a loss would bring much more hate from the idiots out east. A win would quiet that.
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