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March 6, 2023

Does anyone know where I can find the Canucks cap space number for next season (with the assumption that mgmt doesn't sign or trade anyone)?

March 6, 2023

I wonder what management thinks about his teammate Gabriel Seger.

6'4. Right-hand shot forward. 27 points in 25 games.

March 6, 2023

Mikheyev - Pettersson - Kuzmenko

Beauvillier - Miller - Boeser

Podkolzin - Karlsson - Garland

Hoglander - Aman - Kravtsov

Joshua/Studnicka

Hughes - Livingstone? Johansson?

OEL - Hronek

Wolanin - Myers

Brisebois/Bear

I honestly think our forward group has enough depth to be a competitive team. Still need 1 more RHD and perhaps 1 more LHD. Also need to get rid of at least 1 big forward contract.

March 3, 2023

1 hour ago, Odd. said:

So apparently Friedman shot this report down? Servalli also reported this morning thst the ask for Miller was something like two 1st rounders.

???

March 3, 2023

Apparently Friedman shot down that report of the Canucks rejecting a supposed offer of multiple picks?

Didn't Servavelli report this morning that the ask was two 1st rounders anyways?

Something's not adding up.

March 3, 2023

2 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

QH says nobody on the team wants a rebuild but rather a retool and he supports it.

We need a bit more help doing so but so far we are closer to making us a playoff team with more to come.

This coming draft ten players should be able to make the NHL,we should be getting a top 10 pick which will help.

Livingstone and others in the off season will help.

We could see this team turn the corner sooner then later.

Don't forget about Johansson!

March 3, 2023

4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Petey will be a UFA in the summer of 2025. The cap is projected to be $92,000,000. 12% of that is $11,000,000. That will be his floor. I don't see him signing for anything less than that. Canucks should have locked him up for 8 years on his last contract. They probably could have had him with the BO contract. New Jersey made a great move with Hughes. Same with Buffalo and Thompson. Good for Petey though. The 3 year bridge was best for himself...

For all we know, Petey could've been pushing for the bridge contract himself.

I'm sure he knew himself he wasn't playing to his full potential at the time and bet on himself.

March 3, 2023

4 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

It's a long shot, but my hope is Livingstone might have the chops to play with Hughes. If Schenner can manage it, I am sure this guy can handle it. At the very least he'll have a chance to prove himself next season. Assuming he signs with us. Then we can slap Hronek alongside OEL who is a fine top 4 two way guy at this point in his career. Then we can use Bear and whatever jobber they slap on 3rd pair LD. Rathbone's last chance with us possibly.

I don't want to get my hopes up too much, but I'm wondering about the impact a good transition defenseman like Hronek could have on OEL as a D-partner. Would make zone exits much easier and make his play less...*ahem*... chaotic...

March 3, 2023

1 hour ago, Pure961089 said:

And signing aging players has worked out so well for the Canucks. You know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over for over a decade and every year expecting a different result. But it’s a mute point anyway. Petey and Hughes don’t want to be part of a rebuild.

Then that's all you need to justify management's current approach right now. End of story.

Has the execution of the re-tool so far been great? Hell no. But you better bet your ass hoarding draft picks is not the way we're going, so either buckle up for the ride ahead or sell your season tickets now and we'll see you back in a decade.

March 2, 2023

1 hour ago, iinatcc said:

There's one solution to fix all this then. Tear it all down including Pettersson and Hughes.

What you say is true but it just means we are stuck in this vicious cycle of being bad or mediocre because Canucks try to patch a team to support Pettersson and Hughes. Maybe it would be best to do a full rebuild w/o any pressure of doing it during their primes.

I blame Benning for not tearing it down properly right when he drafted Petey and Hughes - that was the very last window for a rebuild.

It's too late now. They're in their primes and way to good to rebuild. Only option left is to re-tool to build supporting pieces around them.

March 2, 2023

Just now, Ilunga said:

Panarin,Trouba and Fox, the players they traded for made it clear that the Rangers were the team they wanted to be traded to.

I wish that happened with us.

Apples to oranges. Can't compare what the Canucks and Rangers are capable of in terms of attracting players.

UFAs and college free agents are lined up outside the Ranger's front office every year.

March 2, 2023

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

They've been good on the small moves, you can see purpose there. It's the major moves where they seem to be clueless

And this is when Rutherford realized his mistakes and had to backtrack by saying Canucks need "major surgery" instead at that press conference.

March 2, 2023

1 minute ago, TripleSedins said:

Slick and Savy GM work by Detroit you cannot argue they didn't get the most for the player. I think it's a hockey trade given the current market.

A few points to consider:
1.Not pulling the trigger on Hronek likely means losing that player to another team

2. Not many RHD available in the first two rounds

3. We have other players to move for picks

4. Canucks fans don't like trades where there isn't a clear cut winner. Two savy GM's went head to head and Detroit timed it perfectly..

This is another consideration.

We're calling this a deep draft, but is it deep for RHDs? All I see in the first round so far are Reinbacher, Sandin-Pellikka (who's under 6 feet) and Dragicevic. Even if we assume all three are blue chip prospects, how long are they going to take to develop into legit NHL defenders?

March 2, 2023

Just now, RWJC said:

I don’t think it’s directionless at all. I think it’s calculated but uneasy for fans because they just don’t trust ANYONE to run this team effectively. I think most ppl bitch about this roster while totally taking for granted what we have as a core now, how f**king fortunate we are to have the two guys we have lead in their positions at such a young age.

You have no choice but to build on that.
Every GM and their dog would love to have our core as their base canvas. PAJR have the experience with Crosby and Malkin and Letang to realize the importance of insulating your stars and getting from and giving them support to excel. It will happen here too.

the problem I have is the PTSD that some folks can’t seem to shake off, to a point where they can’t even process what process is being blatantly f**king spoon fed to them and then act as though it’s a criminal act to follow through on directive.

These f**king guys know how to run a club, more so than anybody we’ve had in the last few iterations. Pedigree exemplifies that.

so, rather than continuing to be a laughing stock fanbase that thinks they know more than the people who achieved the ultimate success multiple times in this sport, I would hope that some ppl realize that there is a method to it, especially when it’s made f**king clear in every interview, and that it takes time and willing partners and patience and circumstantial opportunity to improve a club that was left in dire straits (save for our youth core) by previous regimes.

doni like this move for Hronek? Yeah, I have to, because I don’t think he’d be available to us for this price or less any other time. I think we just jumped on a very good opportunity/asset, one that we’ve been waiting on for f**king seasons now to acquire. Some Fans need a reminder rad to how hard that has been to come by for us, and maybe be a little bit appreciative that this mgmt team is giving it a real shot at rebuilding while keeping the superstars happy and potentially this team in a medium term competitive window. That the best you can ask for as a fan, yet sooooo many ppl take it for granted. It’s f**king annoying.

Yeah I don't know where these conclusions of "directionless" are coming from. The re-tool was pretty clear when Rutherford said in a press conference a few months ago that they'd be targeting players in their early-mid 20s.

They want players in the same age group as Hughes and Petey.

March 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, combover said:

Fair enough

but with what prospects and with what depth are we even close to a playoff team which should never have been a goal in the next 3 years. Capped out and well below average with no signs of changing.

I would argue our forward depth is actually already competitive. It's the defence that's the problem - hence the Hronek trade.

March 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

That's what a rebuild is........they drafted a good young core and now they have to build around it. The mistake they made was not trading miller at peak value and then signing miller and boeser.

The path was clear in front of them and they didn't take it. Now it's going to cost them to find their way out.

Yup. Agree.

Let's see if they can remedy their mistakes.

March 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, combover said:

If they don’t want to be part of the rebuild yes. There two player last I checked we need 23

we should have rebuilder 10 years ago but guess what we had two players so we didn’t.

what we have is a sht mix. You can’t actually think this team that’s actually worse will be better next year. Lol

A ten year rebuild or a forever refool.

I picked rebuild ten years ago i pick it now again

this team doesn’t even come close to being a cup team so who cares if two players need to be traded for a windfall of picks and prospects.

but hey I want to win a cup some rather watch and are more worried about pete and Hughes as they continue to lose.

I'll have to agree to disagree.

I was all for a rebuild when had just drafted Petey and Hughes, but that ship has sailed now. I'm now prepared to wait and see what current management can do out of a sub-optimal situation.

You don't start a rebuild when you have a forward who has now proven himself to be the best we've had since Bure and a defenseman who is already the best this franchise has seen in its lifetime.

March 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Totally. Some folks finding it hard to compute that times have changed and so have certain windows.

Buffalo is a golden example of a rebuild...

but guess how long that took. Only now are they breaking out.

March 2, 2023

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

And I can't believe people don't want to see Petey and Hughes win here.

Or actually think ownership would accept such a move.

There's no point in yelling for something that will never be accepted.

March 2, 2023

2 minutes ago, combover said:

Bandaid and projects won’t make us winners

we tried that it didn’t work.it won’t work this time either.

we have no depth no prospects we aren’t good enough we need to build this team with draft develop it works it’s proven.
this way I’d a failure it’s proven

So what do you want to do. Sell Hughes and Pettersson? That's the only way you tear it down. Otherwise you piss away their primes and we wait another 10 years to ice a competitive team.

I don't understand you folks screaming for a rebuild. Our last window to do that was in 2017 or 2018 when we drafted them, but unfortunately Benning decided not to.

March 2, 2023

10 minutes ago, Provost said:

I agree and have said as much repeatedly. Once we missed the boat on trading Miller last deadline for assets and cap space that could have turned us into a fringe playoff team this year with actual NHL calibre prospects in the pipeline… I think we missed the boat on Petterson and Hughes in their club controlled years.

Why would Petterson want to sign here is there isn’t a light at the end of the tunnel or unless we way overpay him? We could be faced with moving him as a rental next deadline. Hughes isn’t much longer than that, nor is Demko.

If we traded them all for picks and prospects, we then have a critical mass of cheap ELC players coming in for 2-5 years and producing beyond their cap hits. That is how you build a contender.

Perversely, whatever castoffs and bad contracts we take back in deals like this probably end up performing better in the standings than this capped out squad.

I think the conclusion is, as long as management view Petey and Hughes as the core of this team, a legit rebuild is never happening. A legit rebuild is only legit if you sell Petey and Hughes now.

And that is why we might as well embrace this re-tool and see what happens.

Rutherford's "major surgery" wasn't a rebuild. It was trading off some assets to pick up 23-25 year old players and build around Petey and Hughes. I bet you they regret signing Miller and are desperately trying to get rid of that cap to pick up other players in their early-mid 20s - not draft picks.

The best-case scenario now is that Allvin somehow manages to pickup prospects that are on the verge of breaking out i.e. Morrow, Jiricek, etc, but we all know how difficult that would be. Who knows, maybe Livingstone and Johansson become our saving grace.

March 2, 2023

Just now, Provost said:

It is really annoying how JR keeps repeating that he understands the impatience of Canucks fans and wanting to win a Cup.

He doesn’t get it at all. You can just see the responses to this trade as showing where the market is.

Most people are upset about acquiring an excellent young RHD because it cost us high picks. An impatient fan base loves this deal.

Most of us know Hronek doesn’t turn us into a contender, and likely not even a playoff team. Good player, bad timing. Keep the picks and build a pipeline so you have a chance to actually compete in a few years and not just fight for a wildcard spot at best.

I think the more important question is, how patient do you think Petey and Hughes are? How long before 2023 draft class prospects become formidable NHLers?

If you don't think Petey and Hughes will want to stick around then, might as well lean harder into the idea of a rebuild and sell Petey and Hughes now while their values are sky high.

March 2, 2023

You know, by this point, just ride out Boeser's remaining 2 years.

Maybe he plays better next year to up his trade value and if he doesn't just let it expire. Same goes for Myers' contract.

Better than retaining and giving up assets to dump cap. Remember when Benning couldn't just wait 1 more year before trading away Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel's contracts and giving up assets and taking on OEL's contract in exchange? No thank you.

March 2, 2023

Just now, 24K PureCool said:

I was always on board and advocating selling Petey and Hughes right now to kick is into a hyper drive rebuild.

Always said the best thing that can happen to this team is Petey demanding a trade outnof thos tire fire. Hughes would follow soon afterwards wanting to play with his brothers in NJ, though I think that will be inevitable anyways in a year or two unless we make the conference finals somehow.

That's a bold idea, but good luck pitching that to Aquilini. We can debate how much ownership has interfered over the past decade, but I would make a huge wager that they'd intervene if that was proposed.

March 2, 2023

1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said:

Then we will be right back in this place in 5 or 10 years with diminished assets in Pettey and Hughes.

They are just spinning their wheels avoiding the inevitable.

Your concern is valid. Especially since management messed up in the first place by signing Miller and Boeser to extensions.

But also, you really have to think: do you think Petey and Hughes would want to stick around waiting for 18 year olds to develop? How old would they really be by then? If they don't develop in time, you might as well sell Petey and Hughes while their values are sky high right now.

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