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We have plenty of talent for the AHL already. He can technically go to the AHL but would probably be better with a year in Junior. We'll have to wait and see who picks him up in the import draft.
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Pretty fancy meat and potatoes...
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This is how I think we should be spending later round picks, drafting for more risky but higher potential upside. It's much more exciting that Mackenzie Stewart and Kyle Petite. Enjoying the European highly skilled players though, we need some of them to turn out to complement all the hard workers and physical players we've been picking in higher rounds. I'd echo others' points about being interested in this pick despite being a 6th rounder.
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Here's hoping. And they all have a limited chance to even play in the NHL ever. Doesn't mean we have to be excited about it.
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I'm not a huge fan of our picks so far, but I like them at the same time. I do like the descriptions of Zhukenov being able to play with skill at high speed so hopefully he can fill out a bit more to enable him to be successful in the pros. Definitely an offensive talent. We're really going to have to step back from everything else to evaluate the draft itself, and then see how these players develop over time.
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Interesting pick, seems like he should have options for more offence but hasn't really produced at any level. Good skater, can move the puck, and has a majority of assists to match with that while also having played at high level with the Ivan Hlinka and U-17 tournaments. Seems responsible as well, good in his own end, but I still keep wondering how he hasn't found more offence somewhere along the lines with his skill set. He's young, and has a little more time to develop as a result, so we'll see where this goes.
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I'll just repost what I put in the draft thread: Good skills, but not as good a skater as I'd like being a smaller power forward. Going the NCAA route as well, so he'll be a few years before we see him in pro.
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You're right, I and others have said that before. Yet still people complain.
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The pro-Virtanen crowd brings up Nylander and Ehlers as much if not more than the anti-Virtanen crowd (and of course there's a lot of people in the grey area between those two poles) anyway, why don't you just ignore it when people bring it up if you're offended.
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We won't be in the next two years in my opinion. Maybe after that when the Sedins retire we're really that bad that we're back in the top 10 for picks perhaps, but then that'd mean there's a gap while we draft that replacement for the Sedins skill and wait for them to develop. Seems like a backwards way of thinking, especially if you're suggesting we'll be back to having that high a pick yet still think drafting character/physical/hard working guys with our recent high picks like Horvat, Virtanen, etc. was the right choice for us to continue to be successful. And that's a large assumption to think Benning sees Nylander and Ehlers in the same light as you and only one-dimensional skill that wasn't even that good. Another possibility is he wanted the home town boy, or that he preferred the overall style and less risk of Virtanen versus wanting to go for a higher upside.
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That'd be pretty lofty expectations for him to have the career the Sedins have, but there are very few prospects anywhere that would meet that anyway. I doubt 2011 had much to do with it, even if stylistically Benning seems to favour a North American style game. Then again, Taylor Pyatt at 9th overall in the same draft as the Sedins didn't guarantee anyone else a cup either, and he was projected to be a little better than he turned out to be as well. Nothing's a guarantee, and if you have a chance to draft high end skill and won't likely see another pick as high in awhile, you should think long and hard before passing on it. This last bit is going to be a shock for some of the rah rah fan boys around here. Horvat did very well and 25 points in a rookie season is great, but he was also sheltered somewhat and as his role increases we'll likely see that sophomore slump. That's not to say he doesn't rebound and continue to get better afterwards (or maybe he doesn't even fall back a step) but it's also possible he doesn't really get that much better offensively with added responsibility and maybe he does fit better as a 3rd line center. 30-40 points would be pretty good in that case every year and he'd likely be a very solid player sought after at the deadline and finish his career having played for a few contenders as a top rental pickup. Virtanen is in the same boat. He has yet to have that same type of season like Horvat did, not breaking out with more offence with the Hitmen, and not having a chance yet to do it in the NHL. Maybe he doesn't, and certainly he's not guaranteed to have the same path, but he could still be an excellent player even if he doesn't. But then again, he could never quite materialize to that potential as well - except some people don't want to hear a measured opinion (note I didn't say negative).
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Don't hold your breath, it's all about the eye test - even if the eye test of many people on CDC has them believing Sbisa only hits once every ten games, Garrison never hit the net while he was here, etc., etc. Kind of like how anyone can state their opinion on a player with nothing to back it up. At least he's trying to provide something that has statistical evidence to support his opinion.
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And that's what I wanted, knowing we weren't likely to get as high a pick again in following drafts. Virtanen could become a 1st line all star and Nylander could bust, but if we aren't trying for home runs now and again then it makes things just a little bit harder. As much as Ehlers has a lot of skill, I didn't think he was a fit for the Canucks since we didn't need to get smaller on the wing. It's taken as long as it has to get a winger for the top 6 in Vrbata, but I'm still more comfortable with what we have there that I wanted to find that top end down the middle. Even if Nylander might not end up as a center, he'd at least have that experience and would bring that high end distribution game that we didn't realize how much we'd miss once the Sedins do retire. And Virtanen is great, don't get me wrong, but he hasn't run away with it in his draft +1 year and shown us it was an infallible pick. He has lots of good qualities that can and will help us, but there are lots of questions on that top 6, offensive upside for being picked 6th overall.
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Licking the ice? I don't even... Apparently there's plenty of butt-hurt whining going around from both sides.
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I thought people would all have realized this by now (well, except for Apollo, who's clearly been riding the overly positive train for too long). Even retaining 50% and getting virtually nothing in return (barring a cap dump swap) still leaves a team with an older, deteriorating, coming off an injury goalie with a $3M cap hit for two more years. He's just not that attractive a solution for any teams at this point.
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Good thing we aren't deciding it then. But I'm all for discussing the possibilities.
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He's always held a decent standing with me, but since he's not a flashy prospect some people have decided he wasn't as good. But, he has a solid shot, is very smart around the rink, and works hard. That's why he's done so well in his first year pro, not a tonne was expected of him and he's really worked at it.
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He was noticeable, but wasn't effective in all areas like a more established top 6 winger should be. I didn't expect him to put up a bunch of points, but to make a basic comparison he was about as effective as Ferlund was for Calgary - which if you take away the hitting and forecheck wasn't incredibly impressive. I'd like to see him impress for more than just making it to the 4th line if he gets a spot, but if they feel he's close and could contribute further up the line up later in the year I wouldn't be upset if he made it. Otherwise, going back to juniors wouldn't be a bad thing so long as he's used properly and allowed to develop more with his offensive game while keeping an eye on his defensive positioning. "Son, you can do anything you ever dreamed of, you're ceiling is sky high." Whammo! But seriously, we can project where a prospect might end up career-wise. Maybe he exceeds it or never gets close, but it's just trying to think realistically.
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So you're saying Calgary didn't make mistakes in how they handled him? Burke's comments are just the first thing that comes to mind. And I didn't make any assumptions, just commented on what he was missing that could have been holding him back despite the reasonable stat line you yourself mentioned.
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http://www.uticacomets.com/calder-cup-playoff-notebook/
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Maybe you can refresh my memory and provide me a direct quote to the rule you're thinking of. Don't worry, I'll wait. But here's a hint in the meantime:
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He was missing something all right, and that's a proper team to play for rather than Calgary who made mistakes with him along the way.
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He's ill, no injury.
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If it was just one game a week, then sure, apart from minor changes. But with two games a week you want to space out the play a bit more, especially if you have older players who could rest and young players who need more time. Is it too many changes though? It certainly worked putting in Koffie last weekend.
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He is getting points, but he's not exactly been dynamic offensively in the AHL. Don't get me wrong, different players contribute in different ways and Gaunce has a solid shot, is smart positionally and isn't afraid to get dirty to score but I'd say he's unlikely to be a top 6 player.