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I dont care about the zoom call. I wonder more why the GM and AGM are out scouting rather than letting their scouts do that while they try to get a handle on other things that need to get done.

Honestly, Benning supporters should just take the L on this one and move on. We have now seen Markstron, Toffoli, Tanev, and Stecher leave, Gaudette traded, Tryamkin allowed to walk, and the common denominator in it all is the cap mismanagement of Benning, overpaying a bunch of players and giving them ntc that, in the current environment, dont need to be full ntc to make the player unmovable. Our roster is terrible overall, we are at the cap max, there is many millions of dead money, and that is with our two best players still on ELC contracts. Cant wait to see the contracts handed out to Edler and Sutter.

That seems pretty specific for Diamond to be lying about. Also, it flies in the face of the cap reality of this team.

Nothing in what I said is hyperbole. OEL and his horrible contract at the expense of negotiating with his own ufa players says hi.

You cant overpay on a bunch of veteran contracts and then lowball younger and arguably more valuable players to that degree. Agents poke holes in that approach so easily. Was Tryamkin the end all and be all? Of course not. But he did bring the type of game the Canucks sorely lack on their defense and have very little of in the prospect pool. Could he have been the type of player that would have thrived with Hughes going forward? Maybe. He is big, strong, skates well, has a decent offensive element to his game, and is not afraid of doing the dirty work. There is nothing to suggest Tryamkin was asking for a long term deal. It was reported (maybe even by Diamond) that they had presented 1 or 2 year options and no one has suggested anywhere he was asking for 3 million.

I think what some of you are purposely avoiding is Benning himself said what Tryamkin was asking for was something they were willing to do. Diamond said the offer they got back was nowhere near what they wete asking and that Tryamkin would have to wait for additional cap to be cleared to get what he asked for. Look at it from Tryamkin's perspective though. Accept a lower offer now or wait and hope Benning would clear cap and sign him. Benning is notorious for chasing after shiny objects. What if Tryamkin waited as Benning wanted then Benning traded for OEL or re-signed other players using up the cap. There was a big risk Tryamkin gets left without a chair when the music stopped. I dont see how anyone can not at least agree that cap mismanagement is the culprit here. A million here, 500k there overpayments on several contracts would more than make up the difference to be able to sign Tryamkin.

What difference does that make? If he is on ltir his cap isnt on the books and he is likely paid by contract insurance, not the team.

So what is their internal cap number? Seems to be since they operate at the nhl salary cap that would be what it is.

I dont think you understand what the actual message is about the cap here. Benning has seemingly already internally allocated any cap space he is gaining and would have needed to move out more to fit Tryamkin in. Given his complete inability to move cap out I can understand the player not wanting to take his word on it.

Funny how his agent has said for months he wanted to come back and it was his number one priority. And yet no one should believe him because it looks bad for Benning? Honestly, him signing a 2 year deal doesnt mean he didnt want to come back. It just means he didnt want to get lowballed or wait for cap to be cleared. It seems Benning has already internally allocated any cap he is gaining this offseason.

No, I am just going on all the public info available acrually. And if you are ok with Benning overpaying by "only a million" on several contracts and cant see how that chain reacts down the line then its probably not worth having a conversation about it.

Last year has zero to do with this years contract situation though. I am talking about what happened this year.

You do know the contract situation happened yesterday, right? Last year is irrelevent.

Lol there is zero chance there wont be a 2021-2022 nhl season. I have seen zero reporting or quotes from anyone suggesting it is even a possibility. Please provide quotes showing this to be something that is possible.

Lol show me one quote from anyone saying there wont be an nhl season next year. You are trying to use last year to defend a &^@#up this year when an nhl season is a certainty. This is some olympic level mental gymnastics, even for you.

You should go listen to Diamond on Don and Dhaliwal earlier. He gives his side pretty clearly. Just as he did yesterday as his comments were widely reported then too. Why should people take Benning at his word and not take Diamond at his? That seems like pro-Benning bias actually. The totality of the information out there right now points pretty clearly to Benning and the Canucks cap issues leading to this result.

Benning's comment is very carefully crafted. Technically it is true but with a bunch of context missing. Being willing to give a player what he asked for IF you can clear cap and expecting the player to wait for cap to be cleared to see if you can is some pretty big missing context.

According to Diamond they did not agree to what Tryamkin had proposed and werent comfortable waiting until cap was cleared. Diamond has been pretty adamant the Tryamkin wanted to return to the NHL in general and the Canucks specifically. He has been very consistent in his comments for months. I see no reason not to believe him.

Then if you listen to what Diamond has said, it seems that is not exactly a true and complete accountimg by Benning.

When did I advocate to overpay him? Benning himself said they agreed with what Tryamkin and his agent presented. I havent seen what that number was. Diamond said they could only agree to it after Benning could move out cap but that the current offer to sign before that happened was too low for Tryamkin. I dont know how that points to anything other than the cap situation getting in the way of a fair deal for both sides.

I wish people would apply giving the benefit of the doubt to the players like Tryamkin, Gaudette, etc instead of just demanding it for Benning. Look at the comments being made based on assumptions about Tryamkin. But if anyone uses actual info thats out there to say anything negative about Bennings role in it then its out of bounds? Come on lets at leadt be fair here.

I have seen people slagging on Tryamkin for stringing the Canucks along or not demanding a trade. This seems to show it was more the other way around and Benning was happy to lowball him and let him walk for nothing rather than trade him to get assets back. Its another bad look for Jim's asset management imo.

This adds a wrinkle.

Was Tryamkin a star? No. But he was the type of dman the team needs and has very little of either in the NHL or in the system. My issue here is what should have been found money for the team at this point, namely a guy whose style you need that you dont have to overpay or give up assets to add, turned into yet another my way or the highway, our cap situation is garbage negotiation that cost us an asset that might have helped the team.

Its not necessarily a failure to me. I wrote Tryamkin off as an option to ever play for the Canucks again when he left. Tryamkin not wanting to wait to sign a contract is not any reason to slag the guy. What has Benning done to earn that trust from him? He dicked him around last year by all accounts and almost cost him a contract anywhere. Cant blame Tryamkin to not want to live the sequel this year. I am not really making assumptions. I am just going by what both parties have said and not trying to attribute unknowns about either parties motivations. Like suggesting Tryamkin was asking for too much money or didnt want to play in the NHL or was stringing along the Canucks. None of those things are facts at this point. They are simply ways to lay blame on the player. And that is to make it seem, like so many times before, that Benning did his best but circumstances outside his control or someone else messed things up. Based only on what has been said by both sides, the Canucks mangled cap situation - which is purely on Benning - is what got in the way.