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  1. Just want them to play like they deserve to win but things happen out of their control An offside no-goal puck over the glass costly penalty A deflection off a giraffe and they end up on the wrong side of the scoreboard
  2. The part that we never want to think about. That if we don't get any in those top 6, they will be playing on other teams. Other teams will get significantly better. This happens every year we miss on our picks. I hope Lekkerimäki doesn't fall into that club as well. In general, NHL hockey is getting younger, faster, more skilled............on all teams. That part we forget. Yes, we now have Pettersson Hughes, Demko, but other teams have many great young players and prospects coming up too. Much more than in the past. Its not so much getting younger and better, that is a must, its getting there faster and cheaper than your rivals.
  3. Its been a comedy of errors on this team for a very long time. A mixture of bad management, but also just weird and terrible luck. Not sure how much was bad luck or bad pro scouting, but all the players who were playing decent when they signed during the last decade, only to decline overnight when they got here. coughLouiecough. Even since JR. He comes in just after the owner decides to upstage him by hiring the affable Bruce Boudreau. Then a weird kind of "luck" as we go on a winning streak, complete with a theme song for the miracle coach, who may even get us barely into the playoffs when all hope was lost! But that kind of hamstrung JR's ideas of a big early overhaul, especially for head coach. I'm sure the owner was patting himself on the back about his brilliant coaching hire. Also in JR's time, a slew of defensemen injured, including new ones that were supposed to help this season, Poolman and Dermott. Boeser not bouncing back after he re-signed. Demko not looking sharp early this season. Got injured, and then happened to be all ready to come back double bubble Demko just when we needed to lose games. Then another kind of reverse luck we finally get rid of Boudreau but as you said, let him go too early (actually too late) . I always thought that he should play out the season at that point. We'd have an excuse to be losers at least (no structure!). And have a great chance at Bedard. And worry about changing coaches in the off season. But in hindsight, I really like Tocchet, and if JR had waited, he may not be available at season's end. As well, it gives both the coach and players a better shot for a good start next season. Give them homework assignments for the Summer. But yeah, as far as the draft, we probably would have tanked hard under Bruce, instead of starting our retool early and new coach bump late in the season. But, like someone once said, It is what it is.
  4. I gave you a pint o beer emoji because I agree with the just of your comment. But IF we would have done the right thing and began a rebuild back then, it really wouldn't matter all that much who was captain. Someone mentioned Shane Doan who Benning was courting at the time. He would have worked in that role even better as a father figure to all the new draft picks, and extra picks and prospects that Benning had gotten for us in that alternative universe. Of course even the alternative universe Benning would probably have given Doan some ridiculously long, expensive, OEL type anchor contract and self-sabotaged the rebuild anyways. But Horvat would have shone more here if JB had done the right thing and began a rebuild just as Bo was being named captain. Because instead of captaining a declining and disappointing team over his tenure, full of disgruntled veterans older than him, he would have presided over one that might have been a laughing stock for his first years, but slowly gotten stronger as our prospect pool grew and improved. Bo would have been the steady as she goes, calm, perfect "older brother" captain for a team of rookies learning to play right. Anyways. just an unfortunate mistake or misspoke. I think it was somewhere in between. He wasn't meaning to diss the city or fans, it was mostly about hearing the excited playoff bound Long Island fans, but he may have felt a little hurt there wasn't enough vocal fan outrage here over trades talks surrounding him. Or that Miller was signed first. (And a-hole fans like me actually praising that move). Either way it was just dumb, which also raises flags about how smart he is to even say that out loud. But he's also built enough credit for me to forgive him and move on. I won't be booing him when he returns. He knows he made a mistake. I also think he will clarify his statement at least once more, with more context, before the night he returns. Honestly though, I'd care a lot more about this issue if was from a player I admired more. He just never had any big moments here for me to lament about him leaving. I wish him well.
  5. Oh...here's the thread about Bo's comments! I get that Bo probably thought, or didn't think, that he was only speaking to the arena. At least in that moment. And "Vancouver" meant the new JR management crew here. I can understand he never meant to badmouth the city or fans. But for me, it raises other red flags. It does question his intelligence in general for allowing those words to exit his brain and to a reporter. Not book smarts, but leadership smarts. Funny how that was probably the most controversial thing Bo has ever said in his NHL career. I would have welcomed THAT Bo more here. A chip on his shoulder. Wearing his emotions on his sleeve a little more. It came to a point where I couldn't tell if Bo had any emotions. His post game interviews were so painful. Even after a win, he didn't look much different or sound different than a loss. Win or lose, he'd roll out the cookie cutter response of either "Yeah...I thought everyone played well" or "Yeah...we've got to play better". And the same expression which said "I'm bored, can I go now?". I have sympathy for him in the sense that he was sentenced to the purgatory of a Jim Benning managed team for the most part of his career. Where he had to go to those after game interviews where his team lost more than they won. And I can understand Bo's lingering anger towards this management. In his mind he has been a loyal soldier for years, and taken on the difficult role of captain in a rabid Canadian hockey city during a difficult time, and watched as management chose Miller, a fairly new acquisition, over him, basically. But the flip side is that.....uh.....he was CAPTAIN during that dark age of JB. He had a lot of ice time. On the top lines. He had the ear of the room. I don't know, I always thought he had been so groomed to be the captain.....no matter which team he had been drafted to...... because he looked the part. And could deliver all the standard responses to questions like a seasoned politician at a young age already. But he was always missing something IMO. Like he had this dream of one day being a captain of an NHL team, and once he finally fulfilled his dream, he didn't know what to actually do with that position. That he used his position as a kind of security so that he could coast at a 50 point pace. ie. just enough to not be the first one to ever be criticized. Which JB helped him out with by his horrible pro scouting and signings which polished the shine on Bo's game. It makes me also question his emotional intelligence. I heard reports of a final offer as high as 7.5 x 8. But most sources were more certain it was 7 x 7. If he let his envy of Miller's contract get to him where he wouldn't accept any offer less than Miller, then that's his choice. He could have had a guaranteed 49 million $, added onto whatever he's made so far, to his bank account. Remained an NHL captain, living in the most beautiful Canadian city, not having to uproot his family to the other side of the continent, and still earning more money than he could probably spend in his life. A team with young blood on the rise and finally a more optimistic future. He chose money. And I think that is in part why he still hasn't let it go. Because he also perhaps, underneath it all, regrets his hard core negotiation stance to at least some degree.
  6. Burroughs is so Unsung, they don't even think of him for the unsung hero award. No disrespect to Joshua, great for him personally, but Burroughs brings more to the games, and is on the ice for quite a bit more. Stands up for teammates, rarely makes a mistake, tough on the puck, very durable, and is the choice Tocchet trusts with Hughes, even its temporary. All for $750,000. And crap treatment from management with no new contract offer. At his price, even a bit of a raise, I'd love to see him stick here on the 3rd pairing next season. Maybe to babysit OEL. But its like he's invisible. Reporters never ask about him. It would be sad if he just had to leave his home Province with not a word. I guarantee another team will grab him before next season.
  7. "they have little other options since they have backed themselves into this corner. " "They" I would interpret mostly Benning and co. Benning rammed this team towards a quick fix retool for years....almost a full decade...when we should have started from scratch with a full rebuild, at any time during his tenure. But Benning pounded in the final spikes towards that retool mentality with the Miller and OEL trades. Now maybe there was one last chance when JR first entered the scene. But I can understand how a new Pres/GM would be hesitant to cut short the miracle run we were having with Aqua's new coach he just hired. It would have been difficult then too, even without the Brock or Miller or Mik or Kuz signings. So JR and PA just kept backing up into the corner. It might work. It might not. But it shouldn't take more than a couple of years to find out if it will. A rebuild would probably work eventually, but there is no garantee in how long that will be. It could be 10 years. At least this approach....IF...it does work (we are contenders for a few years) it will happen while I'm still alive. And this college UFA way of filling the young, low cap, prospects may be the way of the future. Added onto snatching players who other teams just can't afford to squeeze onto their own. Also you obviously want a high draft pick, too. But as players can develop younger these days, more skill, more size, private trainers, no summers off, finding an unproven college kid who is ready to play in the NHL is not as difficult as it used to be.
  8. Might as well be optimistic. I agree. First thing was to to accept it will be a reTOOL no matter how much the rebuild or bust fans and media personalities wanted that to happen. Then it becomes how well they go about fulfilling this strategy. At least they have a plan vs the day to day no-plan plan, of Benning. It seems that Aqua has learned his lesson, thank gawd. And realizes that you have to invest in experience and then listen to that experience. This new group understands that you need quality AND quantity. Sometimes who you thought was quality doesn't fit, but you find a diamond in the rough in your quantity. Benning thought he was the smartest man in the room. (and maybe he was as all that was left was Weisbrod) He fired anyone who he thought may actually be smarter than him, and show him up. And so he went all in with tunnelvision on trading quantity for what he predicted as quality, foundational, final pieces. And when that predicted quality doesn't pan out Gagner, LE, Gudbranson, OEL, and a whole sea of Granlunds along the way...you are hooped. I like that we have more possible great prospects now, even if they are already in their early 20s. It definitely makes me way more at ease trusting this management group just watching them work so far. I'm stoked already for next season just on who they have added (and dealt away) the last half of this season.
  9. "the selfish liability who was clearly mailing it in he played as for the first 3/4 of the season much like last season" Balderdash Miller has been above a point per game his whole time here. Just went to stats. As of today, 294 points in 279 games with the Canucks. Every player will have off nights. But that rarely happens with JT. I thought his big criticism was that he got into games a little TOO much! Another indicator to counter your assertion of Miller being a "selfish liability" is that he put up his 99 point season 2 seasons ahead of what most players would consider his "retirement contract". Unlike Bo who waited until the season before his own retirement contract to crank it up to 11 for his big payout. (And has since come back down to his average play). Miller has been above a point a game producer no matter what. And most teams have at least one contract that may not age well....in exchange for the veteran leadership for the present. Its a balance of gambles. You pick young prospects, spend money and time training and developing them. And then sign to an NHL contract. its a big investment and gamble. You pay up front for that gamble and hope it pays off. On the other end of the scale, a well balanced team also has players who are paid market, hopefully below market, when they are in their peak, knowing you will have to "manage" that contract later on. OEL was always a mistake from the get go. He was already declining rapidly when we traded for him. Not too many Canuck fans weren't puzzled by that trade at the time. Especially after finally seeing the end in sight for LE's disastrous contract. And only one year left for all the three amigos to play out.
  10. https://twitter.com/HabsOnReddit/status/1524207673029414912?s=20 If we win I imagine Gary will be as shocked as he was when Montreal won the first pick. Here he thought he had the Coyotes all set up for the #1, .....didn't go as planned.
  11. "If I had my choice..." But you don't. Same with the lottery.
  12. You are right well, other than the V. Their best idea out of a bad bunch. The one great thing about the V logo is precisely because you can't decide if its a logo or a background design. a logo and jersey in one! Brilliant! Never been done before as far as I know. Waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time though for many to appreciate.
  13. I always wondered why the skate was not just level. Like gliding along the ice. Perhaps they were trying to give homage to the very early Johnny Canuck weird running on the ice style of skating that the old minor Canucks had: I added new colours and leveled it horizontal. Couple of colour mixes with the official colours. I think this probably would look better once you got used to it.
  14. Well, that might be the difference in your tolerance for religion. I endured it for about the first 18 years of my life. As soon as I got out of high school I left home and felt that I had escaped a kind of cult situation. Off to sin city Vancouver! I stated that I'm not out to want to ban religion as it does wonders for people in a lot of ways. Once you submit yourself to the idea of an invisible all powerful being that only wants the best for you, life is grand! Especially if you've had a rough life. Or just feel you need more structure, or to be part of the community of church where everyone else is there for similar good intended purposes. It a positive experience in a lot of ways. I get it. Most of my extended family whom I love and see regularly, are still deep into it. And I was just taking your word for it that there are anti-Christian posts in the thread. I never saw any, but I wasn't looking too closely either. But if its mostly Christians, not all of them but the more right wing extremist ones, that are expressing the most intolerance, they can't then whine about being spotlighted. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of criticism for that speech. In a more broad sense I believe that the most extreme forms of Islam, Christianity etc. where there is actual violence, sexual exploitation involved, is the tip of the iceberg. And that it would not be able to exist without the "kind, generous, caring and respectful human beings" that make up the bulk of the iceberg below the water line, who give credence to the lexicon of their church. It gives the extremist organizations enough of a cover to exist. Without one of the established Gods to use, these more violent, bigoted groups would not be able to hide under a twisted version of righteous spirituality. But that is a fragile topic I probably shouldn't get into. I would add that those people who have those qualities you mentioned can have those same qualities outside of religion. Believe it or not, this was a huge mind #$%& for me to find out when I left home. I would surmise that they are simply good people regardless if they happened to be born into a Hindu, Christian, Islamic, or Atheist family. Many have intolerant views not because they are bad people, just simply from a slow indoctrination over the years in their particular faith to where this bigotry is simply accepted. Many times twisted into a "no we actually love them more than you do" vibe. Because in their minds they are not really gay and are miserable and only choosing to be that way because........could it be......oh I don't know.....SATAN!?
  15. Thank you. Should have Wiki'd it myself. Well this origin explains why the only white people saying it are the ones using it sarcastically or in a demeaning way. Look, I understand that what the right wing mean by using it that way, is to say as the Wikipedia article states..."that the term is used to mock "overrighteous liberalism".[40] In this pejorative sense, woke means "following an intolerant and moralising ideology" But to that I would counter with.....Who is defining what is "overrighteous"? or "intolerant"? or "moralising"? Is wearing a pride night practice jersey acting in any of these three ways? Or even protesting on the street for equal treatment by the police? Or wanting marriage equal rights? To me, it seems like those who use the term in a derogatory way, use it as a backlash against anything they don't want to hear, or think about that makes them uncomfortable. And feel threatened by those who "force" them to have to think in new ways. And maybe even.....shudder....empathetic to other less privileged, or represented, situations.
  16. It depends. Are you a Christian who is part of a group that is susceptible to disinformation and the bigotry and/or ignorance? Then you should not feel victimized by being ostracized by those who do not share those ugly traits. Some Christian denominations are not disrespectful to other sexual orientations, because that's how God created those individuals. Why would they disrespect God that way? Nor are some antagonistic against medical science and doctors. Some actually believe that scientists are an example of God's amazing creations to make such brilliant minds to be able to come up with vaccines and cure diseases etc. Praise Jesus! I grew up in a strict right wing Christian family. My sister and her husband are full on Trump cult members. Which is another topic...how any self described Christian would think Trump was some kind of example of a good moral leader for them.....baffling. But I know all about living in a culture where you think you are the chosen ones. You have all the answers. You are right and everyone else is wrong. You pretend to respect others, but really you despise anyone who is different. You hate government because they are always giving others rights that you thought were only for you....the chosen. And something about any government run program = communism, no matter what good it says its doing. I left that circus right after high school when I moved out. From my experience I think all religions are cults. Some are just bigger, more organized cults. But I'm also for freedom of religious cults. I think some people need an imaginary friend to get through life, or keep them from stealing, or cheating on their wife, or keep them sober, so fine. Whatever works for you. But just don't come banging on my door, or spouting bigotry and intolerance around me. Keep it in your church.
  17. Not to get off on too much of a tangent, but I've never understood why being "woke" is a bad thing......unless you believe in sticking your head in the sand and refusing to wake up and see that the world is changing. Why one would be proud of being asleep about what's going on I find odd. Not all change is good, but being more accepting of others differences can only be a good thing for general peace in society. Its not only humane, but smart. I don't believe the word "woke" was even a thing in the progressive community. Maybe it was coined in some random liberal message board or blog but it was never a word that liberals championed. The first I ever heard the word was when it was being used in a negative way. I think some right wing pundits latch onto what would have been just another obscure weak abbreviation catch phrase made by some unknown blogger. Then they redefined it to mean something it wasn't meant to represent, and then tried to paint everyone even moderately open to gay rights with this new definition. Happened with "defund the police" too. Which actually meant more like "fund the police in a more balanced way, with a greater portion going to community work and de-escalation training, more of the budget for mental health, etc" but that was just too long to fit on a biscuit. If the far right down south, or the Crybaby Convoy up here, want to call me "woke", bring it on. I'm happy to be woke over purposely ignorant and "sleep". This is what the world has come to....some folks actually admire leaders who preach being ignorant and holding onto bigotry from the past, as an admirable quality.
  18. Reading through this thread, a little late. But this is probably the best decision they could have made. Wins don't matter anymore this season. Too bad they didn't just sit him. Would have been still a red flag if he was missing. But he could have just said "family reasons" again, and at least it wouldn't have been so glaring. It has to be an all in or nothing. Kuz should have been made to understand that whether he was worried about family back home or not, if he refuses to support the idea of Hockey is for Everyone, which means EVERYONE, he's out. I don't judge him too negatively as I don't know just how much pressure is put on him or his family back home. And also I give some weight to growing up in such a bigoted culture its difficult to learn overnight about the importance of inclusiveness that western democracies try and support. This is all new. All I hope is that he may learn and change his opinion by same time next year. Also, even more important, that his megalomaniac President has fallen out of a high rise window by then, and maybe, just maybe a more progressive and democracy revolution is fomenting there.
  19. Okay I'll take this as literally my favourite players, not the most exciting or most talented. 1 Alex Burrows 2 Pavel Bure 3 Todd Bertuzzi 4 Trevor Linden 5 Sedins 6 Elias Pettersson 7 Kevin Bieksa 8 Gino 9 Igor Larionov 10 Cliff Ronning
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