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Especially this draft. Depends where we land, but if we are in the top 5, who are all projected as players who may have been rated as #1 picks in other drafts, or even the top 10, all of whom are special players, then we have to keep him. For a couple of reasons. One is that we need help now, or at least we need him to be on the team while he's on an ELC in the next season or two, and not have to wait 5 years of development as that will take us past our window. So the higher up, the most NHL game ready they should be. Two is that we desperately need new top end talent coming up the pike. Any of those top 5 are almost guaranteed to be very good NHL players who will help us sooner rather than later. Even if they are not defencemen. We still need centers. But even the BPA is a winger, he could be either part of a future trade package or be replacing another veteran forward who can be traded for defensive help. Support talent can be had either from later rounds or through other trades. Nothing can replace the value of landing your very own high ranking prospect and developing him yourself. It is the only way to get that kind of elite talent that young, Theres a saying that for any trade, the winner is the one that got the best player, even if the other team got two or three fairly good players. I think the same with the draft. More of a gamble to trade down. We need prospects who are as garanteed as possible to be top contributors on the Canucks in the next few years. Now I would have a different opinion if we were doing a real rebuild. Then I'd probably say quantity over quality. But for a small window retool....go all in on finding the best most ready player at the draft.
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[PGT] Vegas Golden Knights at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 21, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Relative to who? Or just cherry picking on one player? Article on player grades half ways through the season: https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/canucks-player-grades-at-the-halfway-point-of-the-2022-23-season-6378884 Miller is third on the Canucks in scoring with 16 goals and 37 points in 41 games, which is pretty solid, even if he’s not matching his 99-point pace from last season. He leads the Canucks in power play points with 18 and he’s been a big part of why they’re a top-ten power play. Still consistently around a point per game, if a little shy of that. And lead the PP. Not too shabby for a cap hit of 5.25. The whole team fell into a funk. And just like winning is infectious, so is losing. It affected all the players (other than Bo who was gunning for his retirement contract). We have had so few players with the kind of character and drive that JT does. I pray to gawd that he's not going to be badgered out of town from whiny sports shock jocks and negative nelly fans. -
[PGT] Vegas Golden Knights at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 21, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I'm wondering if last nights server crash was Canucks.com diverting band width to the Telethon page with so many logging on to donate etc..... I tried to get onto the regular canucks.com home page and it was also down. The only one that worked was canucks.com/telethon. In that case I suppose we can forgive them. Although its still @#$% that the NHL and Rogers cannot put out for enough band space to handle all of it. This also happens in important games when more are logged in. We are one of the most popular, crowded, NHL message boards. We should not be punished for that. I dread the site going down when we finally get into a playoff game. Too cheap to upgrade the servers for the Canucks fans. -
Pettersson Vs Hughes: Who’s the more valuable piece?
kilgore replied to Odd.'s topic in Canucks Talk
Yeah this is like picking a favourite child. But if I had to.... I look at it this way. BOTH are good offensively (assists and/or goals) BOTH are good defensively But Petey is better in both of those categories. Its a no brainer. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Anaheim Ducks | Mar. 19, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Anaheim Ducks | Mar. 19, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Yet another in the column of Canuck Luck. In the department of Sour Grapes, imagine if we'd been in a playoff spot now, and had this schedule. Be able to solidify and maybe move up from here. Of course its only in years we need to win almost every game that we have a tough schedule to end the season. -
Tank Hard for Bedard - Playoff chances are already Slim
kilgore replied to Provost's topic in Canucks Talk
We need an act of god, or the Hockey Gods, to help us now have a shot at the top 5 picks. I feel dirty wishing injury, so I won't. But some non-serious injuries like broken fingers, or sickness, etc I wouldnt be crying. Maybe some family emergencies thrown in there. Babies being born. Flight mixups. Or somehow have every other game this season be officiated by Sutherland. I know I'm reaching here. Or Since the draft is designed to roughly at least award the worst teams with the highest picks, we don't actually deserve the highest pick because we are not that bad. That's a good thing right? I know being in the mushy middle is no fun, but the silver lining is that we don't have as far to go to get to the top if we are already half ways up the mountain. Theoretically at least, we have proven we might be good enough now to not absolutely NEED Bedard or any of the vaunted top 5. Sacrilegious to say that I know. We definitely are due some luck. We deserve to get a #1 pick at least once in our team's history ffs. But fact is we are too good at this moment, with Tocchet as coach, and with Kuzmenko, Petey, Miller, Demko all playing lights out. We are too advanced in our retool. JR has been a little too successful, too early. I know the timing is horrendous. It is what it is. But being better than predicted, is not such a bad thing (other than falling in the draft). Bedard might have instantly put us over the top, but we already have a core of good young players. Its not "Bedard or Bust!" its "Bedard or we keep building the team with other picks and prospects we acquire" The Hockey Gods never hand the Canucks a free pass, or a #1. We gotta do it on our own. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Anaheim Ducks | Mar. 19, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Who's your dealer? I want what you're smoking -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Anaheim Ducks | Mar. 19, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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Honestly......if that 7 x 7 last offer for Bo was true, we still dodged a bullet IMO. For one, we just needed the culture change, and he was the Captain setting the tone. But more than that.. i think Bo was so pssed off at management for daring to sign Miller first, and then daring to offer him less than Miller, that he spent the summer strictly shooting pucks into a net. That activity was reported as true. He said f it, if you thought I paid less value in back checking, or getting my nose dirty, or even assists in past seasons, you ain't seen nothing. I'm going to concentrate purely on seeing how many goals I can score in one season. Knowing that of all the stats that make GMs eyes sparkle, and fans love, its goals. And it worked! Probably having the free wheeling style cheerleader coach in BB didn't hurt either. Perfect timing for him. I don't think his plan would have worked under Tocchet. Now that his anger has subsided, and the adrenaline that was fuelling it, and he's back playing at a more sustainable comfortable level, and he must also start to give more attention to defence, he is coming back down to his 50-60 point average. I don't see the Bo lovefest lasting too long on long island, not at his cap hit. As a not wealthy pro athlete, its hard to understand why someone like Bo, a captain, who was still well respected here, and was never one of the first to be criticized if the team was sinking, would turn down 49 million to play out his career in one city, where his family had taken roots. One of the most beautiful cities in NA. He would be applauded if he had taken less than he could have gotten on the open market, and the respect from fans continuing if he'd swallowed his pride and taken the 7 x 7. He has now set himself up to have to deal with the pressure of being a new unknown player in strange market, having to live up to being second only to Barzal in cap hit next season.....8.5....for eight fricken years! I don't know maybe I'd look at it differently if I were in his shoes but I'd rather set myself in a more comfortable, less stressful pressure, no moving across the continent to a foreign country to keep playing here for $49 million And whatever he's banked so far, to not deal with the stress coming from fans in years to come. Much like LE, Myers, and OEL must have to deal with. It must take the fun out of playing for them to some degree at least. This trade, our return, might go up there as one of the best in our history,, depending on Raty's development. Along with the Linden for Bertuzzi, Mccabe (who helped land another Sedin) and a 3rd. And Dan Quinn, and Garth Butcher for Ronning, G Courtnel, Dirk, Momesso and a 5th
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[Rumour] Nikita Tryamkin eyeing NHL return
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
The Macaroni Jim's long list of catastrophes, its easy to forget about one or two. Tryamkin was a huge one, no pun intended. The local media, (half are from Toronto) still to this day are so anti-Tryamkin I can't take anything they say on the topic seriously. But I fear that Benning so poisoned the waters here in Vancouver for him I don't know if he will consider it. Especially if you add into the equation that he is available to every other NHL team now. So even IF PA was interested in making him an offer, there will probably be at least one other team that will see his size, and that he also has NHL experience, and be willing to offer more for him. Why would he take less to come back to a stinky town in Canada when he could earn more, pay less taxes probably, in some big American city? I will also temper the excitement of seeing Tryamkin wearing Canucks colours in his posts. IMO, its not the Canucks he is bragging about being a part of, its the NHL. And that is his only team he played for and the only one he has pictures of him wearing an NHL jersey. But I hold out a sliver of hope that he is following the changes here, additions of Russians as players and coaches, a new management team, that he will want to come back here, if offered a position. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Arizona Coyotes | Mar. 16, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[GDT] Canucks @ Coyotes l Thursday, March 16, 2023 l 7:00 pm
kilgore replied to -DLC-'s topic in Canucks Talk
When Boeser and Myers are both on the ice at the same time in our D zone... -
[GDT] Canucks @ Coyotes l Thursday, March 16, 2023 l 7:00 pm
kilgore replied to -DLC-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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[GDT] Canucks @ Coyotes l Thursday, March 16, 2023 l 7:00 pm
kilgore replied to -DLC-'s topic in Canucks Talk
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This is where the author of the article is out to lunch. We don't necessarily NEED the team to make the playoffs next season (although I'm already optimistic even with the changes so far) Its about creating the strongest team, built from using the cap as wisely as possible so that we will not be "competing for a playoff spot" in one year, but competing for the Cup in the next few. At least be in the conversation of a dark horse contender. We should be looking more towards aiming to ice the best lineup for 2024/25. If we wait and buy out OEL before that season, we will save about 7 million in cap space than if we pulled the trigger this summer. Yeah I agree, OEL can be moved down the lineup and played less minutes. And still can be a reliable veteran to step up into the top 4 temporarily if there are injuries.
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[PGT] Dallas Stars at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 14, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Could go either way. Any new team would have to be willing to have one year of 6 mill in cap space dumperooed on them, for a D who ain't worth that. And might throw a wrench into their other plans. But he's a D who's size makes up for a lot of deficiencies and brain farts. He is still worth something so I suppose a team could still be interested in swallowing that if they can come to a more reasonable contract extension to continue after that for a few more seasons. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/tyler-myers Buying him out would cost Aqua $666,667 over two seasons And we'd save $333,333 off the cap next season. Not that much but probably appreciated. Either way we could get rid of Myers. Question is the cap savings worth more than what we could get for him. With his age at 33 and his cap hit maybe no more than a 4th rounder? Third option is that we manage next season still with Myers. Aquilini might rather just pay the 1 mill left and wait it out. Depends if we can improve more on D and still afford his cap for one season. That way, because of Hronek also, both he and OEL can play less minutes next season. They'd both maybe benefit from that. (Well, the team would anyways.) Then Myers is gone naturally and OELs buyout is more palatable after one more season. I have no idea what's happening with Myers. -
[PGT] Dallas Stars at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 14, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I think waiting one more year to buy out OEL would be good. If we honestly think we will not be contenders next April either. If you compare the numbers between a buyout this summer, and a buy out next summer. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/oliver-ekman-larsson We can still save 7 million of cap if we wait a year than if we bought him out this summer. I just can't see us hanging on to him longer than that if he continues to decline. But if we can bring in Hronek, and one more better D, we can regulate OEL to 5/6 position. With less minutes, I think he'll be fine for another season. Depends if we buy out Myers or not this summer. -
[PGT] Dallas Stars at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 14, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
This is the thing. intellectually we know....it doesn't make any difference to the outcome score because of how hard we cheer for either a win, or a loss, during a game. But also intellectually we know.....big picture, that every win takes us further and further away from any shot at Bedard, or top 5 even. Its a battle in our brains. And its not that fun. But if we are sticking to the intellectual path, doesn't it make logical sense to have fun cheering for wins, or more specifically say, a 2 on 1 rush up the ice with Kuzmenko and excited and hoping he scores, than being miserable watching him score? If your cheering at the TV, or not, doesn't make a difference anyways to where the team is standing at the end of the season? I know its tough. I've been grappling with this conundrum. But once you understand...intellectually... that its out of your hands as a fan, you might as well enjoy watching the team improve and win.....even if its at the absolute wrong time as far as the draft. And you can still wallow in depression at the end of the season about your draft position if you want to do that. I get that its difficult to purposely be schizophrenic in how you watch the team. I still am struggling with it. Maybe its easier as a long a fan to achieve this altered state. You learn to cheer when you can with this team. From now on I'm going to cheer for the win extra hard in the GDT! Its more fun, and it don't make no difference no how. -
[PGT] Dallas Stars at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 14, 2023
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I think you have got it backwards about which fans have lost their self respect. Its not the ones who have faced reality that fans actually do not have any special powers or influence on if the team continues to win games or not. Do you mean "complacent" that we don't organize protest marches or "Stop Winning!" plane banners venting about it? Is that what you mean by fan self respect? Because I think that sounds like a pretty pathetic fan. Or the ones who understand that a rebuild, most useful if it was done a number of years ago, is in the rear view mirror now, and enough moves have been made, enough cap money allotted to future contracts, that its clear if we are going anywhere now, its with a retool and building off of the core we have now. And even if these fans believe deep down a full rebuild is the more traditionally successful way, realize its either cheer for the best outcome for the current plan, or get off the pot. Or you'll just make yourself miserable. Or the ones who can see a huge difference in the team's management team from the last one, and understand how vital a competent, experienced, president and GM is to a hockey organization. and can recognize that looking through the lens of management's plan for the team, they have been fairly successful in who they have brought in. And based on their performance so far will give them a reasonable amount of rope before hanging them. Most new GMs get anywhere from 3 to 5 years before the knives come out. (some even get 8) I'm still not sure what yourself and a couple other militant tankers want from other fans that gets you so upset. What can we do to not be "complacent"? Maybe CDC should ban the rest of the GDTs? So any win in future can't be cheered on in real time. Otherwise it may get back to the players somehow that the fans are behind them. And it will only make them continue to play hard and score goals and ruin it all! Or what? Tell us, what do we have to do to not be "idiots"? signed, a very concerned fan- 500 replies
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