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  1. Yeah that makes sense about the lottery only applying to the first round. Still, I think extending a changed up lottery for the next two rounds, for non playoff teams, would be interesting. Still seems a little too weighed in favour of losers for every round like it is. It would be another way to discourage tanking. And reward teams like ours...if we do finish as one of the top teams to miss the playoffs...for at least trying, unlike some other teams.
  2. Here's a random question, brought on by too many years of Canuck Luck at the Draft. Wouldn't it be fairer in the draft if there was a new formula for the second and third rounds at least? That is, now when a team wins the lottery and picks first, they also win the lottery in every other round. ie. they get to pick first in the second round too, and then first in the third round, all the way down. And conversely of course, on a luck starved team like ours, who usually move DOWN from even their allotted position, they are also in that lowered position for every other round too. Many times the players in the bottom of the first round are not much better or removed from the top ones in second round. To me I question why the lucky winner of the lottery, and even the other tank-happy teams bad enough to be in the top 5, should automatically give you dibs to the top picks of the second round. Its how Carolina can pick Svechnikov in the first, and then take Drury in the second, or how Dallas can pick Heiskanen in the first and Robertson is there for them in second. There should be a new draw after the first round lottery draw, just between non playoff teams again, for position in the first 16 picks of the second round. Perhaps still using a formula of lottery odds, this time almost the opposite though, with the non playoff teams that picked closer to the bottom of the first, have a greater shot at a higher second. Same in the third round applying the formula to the positions of how teams landed in the second round. After that, perhaps go back to the first round order, doesn't really matter as much by then. This way the "winning" team at the lottery still gets their first overall pick, and the other barrel scrapers that also pick high do not change their order. But at least the teams that did not have a good year, but still finished in a mid/lower draft position, at least have a better chance to find a good serviceable player with their second round pick. (Ideally they'd get a mid range first but then a high second to even it out somewhat). This would not only promote parity, it would be one more thing to dissuade tanking. A graph from a study between 2000 and 2009. Adding the second and third rounders together, they make up almost as many players who make it from the first round. Pick positions for those 2nd and 3rd rounds would be determined at the same draft lottery day for first, so deals could still be made after that with that info in mind for GMs. And think about how more exciting and unpredictable those rounds would be, and how trades would change based on that.
  3. Come on boys! Lets get the team down to the 16th spot at the draft! I mean......just win baby!
  4. I have. Jim is dead....Long live Jim! But don't ask a snarky question if you don't want a snarky answer.
  5. Nope, just a couple minutes actually, after I noticed this idiotically titled OP was still on the first page. Although thanks for the kudos....as it would be quite the feat to not only predict Putin's invasion before it happened, when everyone was saying he wouldn't dare. (Like people were saying a draft genius GM wouldn't dare empty our prospect cupboards to where after eight years we are now rated #29 in prospect pools) But to also then create a smart ass, (and brilliant) analogy based on that prediction, and then sit on it for some future date on a hockey message board and add it to end a dying thread, just so I can get a rise out of a Benning Bro. But thanks.
  6. A review of Putin's management of the invasion of Ukraine....He Did Well!
  7. I know Petey could really care less about it, but IMO Petey deserved the belt last night. Quinn was good in the game, and was a delight to watch how patient he was with the puck in OT scoring, but come on, Petey was doing all kinds of things out there all game long offensively and defensively. Not that it matters much in the grand scheme of things. So does the last player get to decide who he passes the belt on to?
  8. At this point I don't know how anyone can justify signing Boeser to a multi year deal @ 7.5 million. I just don't understand his decline. He was such a spark plug when he arrived. All Star MVP. His shot from the circle was like having a mini Ovi. Almost guaranteed every time. And he was faster in general. If I didn't know any better I think it has to be some kind of nagging injury. I always wondered if he's ever come completely back from that horrible back injury into the open door on the bench. The only other alternative is that he's just gotten worse...just as he's going into the typical prime years for NHL forwards. That argument just doesn't make sense. Hes no Lazy Jake. Its not that he doesn't have the determination, and a great attitude. Its puzzling. His loss of not only production, but almost more, his details in the "little things", is sorely lacking. Losing puck battles, giveaways, lack of speed. All of that leans towards some kind of physical impairment. In some ways, this may be a good thing as it means he could actually recover from it. But if we could get a higher first, or a lower first/high second and a prospect, we could save that cap space for Miller.
  9. Hope Keeper gets back here for another shot. What a bad stroke of luck in preseason practice, snapping the tibia and fibia in his left leg.
  10. So try telling any of the teams that make it into the playoffs this year that they are not contending for the Cup. That they should just be lucky they made it to the post season, and just let the REAL contenders take it from here. Look, I get where you are coming from. I gather you mean they wouldn't have been top tier contenders, and no one would have picked them to win, if they'd made the playoffs in '16, '17, '18 ... But they would still be contenders. Long shot contenders. What else would you call them? I think its all semantics. All that said....IF by "contenders", which I have yet to see a JB quote for this, Jim was meaning "squeak into the playoffs, and count the year a success" Then I would ask you WHY? If you believe that Benning saw the team as being miles away from ever achieving anything post season even if we got there, then WHY would he even go that route? Why dump picks and prospects for support players? Why dip into the FA market to sign LE to a 6 x 6? Why as you describe his motive..."make the playoffs and anything can happen"? (Surely by "anything" you don't mean contend for the Cup though right?). So why would a GM sacrifice so much of the farm, especially from a position of already being depleted of good prospects, push a lot of his chips in, spend right to cap, year after year, if he deep down, only expected them to barely make the playoffs? Is that good GMing to you? Living "day to day" or season to season? Where he dumps more potential prospects, buys out more contracts from his last failed foray, and trades for and signs as FAs, another slew of overpriced vets. So he can try and squeak in again, earn his boss some first round playoff profits, and call it a season? Are you endorsing this kind of "live day to day" GMing for your Vancouver Canucks? IMO good riddance. He was in way over his head. And had no clear direction at any time. I don't believe he'll ever get another GM job in league again.
  11. I agree with your first paragraph. I looked for a quote from him about contending for a playoff spot back then, but I can't find one like that. Maybe you can. But even if thats the case, to me, any GM saying his goal is the playoffs, infers that that once in the playoffs, they will be contenders. Not the top rated contenders, but contenders none the less. A Cinderella run to the final is not unheard of. Maybe just different semantics. What he did say was “this is a team we can turn around in a hurry.” And since we had just been President Trophy winners a couple years before, that implied we'd be back in the game, contending at a high level. The whining I was doing about trading Forsling wasn't about Forsling. It was whining about Benning. Obviously JB didn't know then one way or the other how long Forsling would take to develop and how far he'd go. The criticism is in his attitude and seemingly 180 direction spin to what we were all expecting from a 'draft and develop' GM. He had 2 first round picks for the 2014 draft thanks to the Kesler trade. He subsequently traded away one first round pick in McCann and kept his other draft guru special...Virtanen. Demko was a good pick, (one promoted by his nemesis Judd Brackett) Then mismanaged his Tryamkin pick with the help of his rookie coach. He also traded away a second, for Vey. That was all in his first draft. But about "tanking guarantees nothing". If by tanking you mean building through the draft. IMO its more about management of those draft picks. Edmonton proved just bringing in all the old boys club from the past as managers doesn't always work. Picking forwards and then refusing to trade those prospects for help on defense, or goal was a mistake. But I think it works more often than it doesn't. It takes a smart GM and a willing owner. It does take some luck too in the draft lottery. Which we are due. And it doesn't have to be scorched earth either. It can be a mix of retool, rebuild. Its about getting that balance right, which is different for each team. JB just got that wrong. He should have balanced towards more draft development and patience into his philosophy. On a team that was in some kind of quasi rebuild, it is unconscionable to understand that over the 7 and half years, Benning ended up not only not adding to his draft pick totals, and/or prospects from those picks, but less than what he normally would have gotten. This wasn't a contender...as you rightly pointed out. We needed an army, as the late great Botchford yelled to deaf ears back then. Who today would be a full fledged force to keep us perennially competitive with a full stable on the farm
  12. i call BS on this. Canucks fans have to be the most patient fans in the NHL. We’ve all gotten conditioned to it. Which is not necessarily a good thing. But because of that most true fans have waited so long that we’d swallow another 4 or 5 years IF it garanteed contender status and a sustainable one. i especially call BS on fans not accepting a rebuild when JB arrived. He was introduced as the draft develop guru. It was more that fans with our green and blue coloured glasses, really really really wanted to believe the wisdom of the new draft guru when his conclusion was, not long after arriving, that we actually were closer to being a contender than he first thought. Draft Schmaft! Trade Forsling…trade McCann…. Trade 1sts….. trade 2nds……we are soooo close! No need to even retain our allotted number of picks. The impatience was not on the fans, it never has been. This is a smart hockey market. It’s been with ownership. the alarm bells certainly started going off for me after a few years of watching JBs hamster wheel spinning. Botch was right back then. We should have begun to build that army with new recruits. Fans here would have got behind it as long as there was a clear direction. even today, most fans are so jaded by now, We’ve hung in there this long that we would wait another 3 4 5 years if we saw a little commitment by ownership.
  13. As the much CDC maligned Jason Botchford shouted out to anyone that would listen after the 2018 season: ” we need an army!” Sure would’ve been great if the last regime would have taken that advice back then and put a priority on draft and develop. Water under the bridge now. It’sa good point about the support players. That second tier is vital. Even if the “plan” then was an annual retool instead, at least don’t #*%# up in your pro-scouting. If JB could have batted even .500 on his FA signings, where most new acquisitions play above their cap value instead of below, we’d be in better shape. Because it’sa domino effect. Getting rid of bad or overvalued contacts hamstrings a GM to take on other anchors. coughOELcough. Continually running on a hamster wheel. Because we have neither a solid support core, nor a stocked prospect pool, we may have to sacrifice Miller, Bo, and Boeser to the hockey gods and, better later than never, start to build that army. Just sucks that we will be wasting prime years of Demko, and Miller.
  14. Yup. Canuck fans have been here many times. The end of the season where its all silver linings! Backhanded ones at least. Fun to watch them win. I cannot cheer against them during a game, no matter what the stakes. But....if they lose, we go up in the draft. win win.
  15. I don't know if they even practice this, but ffs, going into next season they simply must address the obscene number of times they simply hand the puck back to the opposition in the D zone. Maybe its just bias watching, but I don't see other teams have half the problem with this that other teams do
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