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  1. I think its no coincidence that this team can take these kinds of leaps just as Petey is getting back to form. As Petey goes, so goes the team. With all due respect to JT. But it seems like more team mates feed on Peteys performance. And when he's on his game, he involves everyone he's playing with and challenges and elevates them. Doing wonders with Hogz and Podz. As well as on the PP.
  2. Just our Canuck Luck that Burroughs is out with injury. Would have loved to see him in there. He and Schenn are the only two Canucks willing to get their nose dirty.
  3. What is this "angry" excuse? One could also say you seem quite angry at Benning critics. What does that have to do with the facts? ie, where the team is after JB? If there is any anger, for the dismal eight years we fans had to suffer through, its not what came first. I was all on the Benning train in 2014. This excuse is also used in the political world. "Its just because you are angry with him/her" What does that even mean? Is there is some God of Anger that just waives their magic wand to make someone feel the emotion of anger....and like Cupid's arrow, its the first person they see (or read about on a message board)?
  4. Blah blah blah Excuses excuses. He didn't have to move everyone. If the Sedins were impossible to move for the likes of such an amateur, and uncreative, and uninfluential GM, they could have stayed with the knowledge that if they did, they would accept the role as the veteran leadership on a stripped down, rebuilding team. (I think they would have been okay with that) We would have to still retain some veteran leadership regardless. It would have started with whomever of that core had more trade friendly contracts they could move first, then working up the chain to apply pressure. Players like Kesler may have even asked out sooner if that was the case. If the GM had made it very clear, as Jeff Gorton did in NY, that the team needed an overhaul, and set that as his mandate, and was actually smart and creative and determined, he could have done much more......IMHO. So I'll put you down as believing in the corralled along into the slaughterhouse theory. No way out. Poor JB. Hearing the cows ahead screaming and all he could do was shuffle forward. Oh look........a LE!.....a Gagner.......a Gudbranson!...... how could he stop?
  5. Good post. I just cannot let JB slip criticism though. I do not accept that there was nothing he could do to foment a rebuild, especially after a few years in. The Sedins and the core were given 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 already after JBs first season, to prove they could still be contenders. Arizona just got rid of a poisonous contract in OEL to a desperate GM wanting to please his owners and clean up mistakes. A more creative GM could always find ways to deal with all the NTCs Gillis gave away. I reject any notion that there was simply no way out for JB. That he HAD to keep going with the yearly re-tool because....fate? destiny? Canuck Luck? You are correct about New York being in a better position three years ago than we have been. I used it as an example to make a point. But we had at least 4 seasons more than they did to get into a similar position. If you balance out that time advantage, even without the lottery win, we should not be so far behind them to the point that its they who are knocking on our door for an important piece like Miller. We are only a couple of shrubs on a message board. Our hockey team's GM should be smarter than us. I would think he also has the connections, the inside tracks, the relationships built, and and expert team around him to share ideas....oh wait, nix that last one with JB. But ultimately, the buck stops with him. And although I have blamed the owner for meddling in the past, it us ultimately the GMs job. If he can't stand up to a deluded owner, I don't want him GMing my team. I refuse to believe, and refuse to accept the excuse, that JB was just hemmed in, and was forcibly corralled and shuffled along into the slaughterhouse and there was nothing he could do. A more creative and open GM would have figured out a way to initiate a rebuild when it was needed, despite the NTCs. Don't ask me how, that isn't my job. We really needed a Rutherford in 2014.
  6. One thing that burns me is that a team like the Rangers, who honestly informed their fans only 3 fricken years ago that they were in for some pain, are now in the running to pilfer a player like JT Miller from us.....when we were the ones who were supposed to have been ahead of them by years in our retool/rebuild. We should have been in their position now. We should have been the ones who knock. For those final pieces to help us into contender status. The Miller trade is touted as JB's best. Seems like simply because he got good value.....for once. He wasn't free. Another first and a third isn't chicken feed especially for a team already depleted of picks. You can say Miller's value has increased while here. Good. He's the exception of JB's trades. But the other aspect of a good trade is timing. The Rangers are where Benning fantasized the Canucks were when he acquired Miller. Its going to just add to the colossal tease other teams will be to the Canucks. Calgary for sure, and now maybe New York too. Bennings legacy, one of them, is losing valuable players we want to keep, and hanging onto over-valued players we should let go sooner. (Starting with the old Gillis core all the way to things like losing Toffoli but re-signing Virtanen) Not because we want to, but because of his bumbling fumbling accidental don't-call-a-rebuild management style continually getting the team into no-win situations. Folks convinced me that JBs manner of speaking, his slow drawl and simpleton type answers to questions. "like, you know, like, we're trying hard." was just that he wasn't a comfortable public speaker. But now I think other GMs probably started drooling when they saw JB's number come up on their phones. Its like watching another decade slow burn. I just want to see the Cup here before I die ffs. Is that too much to ask?
  7. One thing I would miss about Boeser is his good nature. He always tries to lighten the mood, and see humour in things. .... taking jabs at his team mates etc..
  8. The greater the hindsight we have on Benning, the more apparent his gross incompetence. He had his head so far up his backside he was blinded on which way to get out. I wanted to believe in Benning's "quick turnaround". Like the poster in Mulders office on X-Files. But it became clear to many of us who have played/watched hockey for decades, that it wasn't working by his third season in. It seemed like Benning was the last one, if he has ever, to realize that this approach would not work on team who had the makeup of the Canucks at the time. But instead, he seemed to double down almost every off season. Accumulating second tier NHL vets and shedding picks and prospects for a dream of rainbows and unicorns. Bizarrely acting the opposite of what we were sold when he came in as the draft and develop guru. Ironicaly, that is what we needed then. Instead we got a yes-man, and someone who behaved in a way that looked like someone desparate to keep his job by promising playoffs to us and the owners every season with his gambles on trading the future for attempts to squeek into the playoffs each season. I guess it worked out good for him. He was one of the longest employed GMs in our history. And he even managed to do it one more time last off season. Worked so well the other 5 times. Load up on multi year contracts for vets like Dickenson, Poolman, with other FAs, dump a few more prospects, take on a future albatros contract for the next GM to have to deal with, just to clean up some of his past mistakes. One year before they would have expired anyways. Mistake upon mistake upon mistake. Just watching these other rebuilding teams, that actually understood the value in draft picks, and prospects, move so fast ahead of us, is depressing. We shed prospects like Forsling, McCann, Tryamkin, Dahlen like they were nothing. And traded picks away like candy. For players like Baertschi who the Flames turned into Rasmus Andersson for that pick. A D with 27 points so far this season for them. Another gift to the Flamers from Jim. Honestly, if the Flames win the Cup this year, Benning should be on the front float!
  9. "Bo seems more loyal to the Canucks while Miller is the better player. I think it all hinges on whether Miller wants to re-sign and if so, what cost. " This. IMO, MIller is more valuable to the team's winning. And is more of an inspiration to younger players like Petey and Hughes. Or looking at it from the other side, the player who Petey and Hughes would most be upset with leaving. But it all comes down to if he wants to stay here. As an American, and having lived through Bennings incompetence in losing so much of our best veteran core for nothing a couple seasons ago, to the ongoing COVID border issues, I could understand him wanting to play somewhere in the US. Especially for a contending team. But if......IF......he really does love the city, and does see progress in the team, and does want to be a part of the journey towards being a contender here, and if its between him and Bo? No debate. We move Bo. Not for a bag of pucks obviously, we'd still have to get a good haul. But for all the talk of building a "culture" and retaining players with "character" we just can't let Miller go if he is actually willing to stay here. But that is the 8 million dollar question. I definitely don't want JR to be in any kind of hurry. I think we need to wait until the summer to decide on JT. I really don't think you'd get that much less of a return than if you traded him before the TD this year. He may not even know himself about staying until at least the summer, and he looks at the roster, and what JR did since then with it.
  10. I thought the whole Hamonic vaccine hesitancy issues at the start of the season created a ton of headaches for Canucks management, especially because we are so depleted on the back end. His latest injury had nothing to do with that, but its still been way too long to get him into the lineup. All that said, I thought Hamonic was a great choice for BB with the game belt. Personally, I think Motte deserved it, or even Podz, before Hamonic. But I can also see that BB is clever in his use of this prop in that Hamonic needed this kind of confirmation. He scored a goal, and was good all night. Did not have any moments when we noticed him for the wrong reasons. He has been putting out 100% effort since he came back. I think you are misreading his quieter personality with his response. I think it was more of a surprised reaction than anything. This was BB way of solidifying him and boosting his confidence in a dressing room that he has not seen much of this season. Motte and Podz didn't need that at this moment in time as much as Hamonic.
  11. This has happened to me in the past when I've tried to listen to the local radio broadcast voices and use the stream feed for the visuals. The stream is at least a second or two behind the voice. I find that hockey is unwatchable like that. Even if the video is only a split second behind. Of all the major sports hockey is the least able to deal with any delay at all. Because of how fast the game is. How quickly it can turn the other way. How quickly a puck can travel from a players stick to the back of the net. Maybe its partly conditioning but I don't want to know if a player scores a goal when they are in the process of winding up to shoot. Whether its an opponent or a shooter from our team. It somehow takes a lot of the thrill of watching hockey away. Can't explain it totally. But as a fan, I've been conditioned this way. On a regular broadcast we usually can see the puck go in the net a split second before it is announced. Or see a players hands fly up in celebration just as the announcer say's "He scored!". I don't know exactly why it takes so much away from the enjoyment of the experience of watching hockey if the timing is off for the play by play, but it does.
  12. We really could have used Burroughs out there tonight I haven't said that out loud for a long time.
  13. Quick...SN, add to our misery and cut to watch Marky and Tanev and Toffoli win their game.
  14. lol On a night when the Canucks play like dogs......its dog night!
  15. And of all teams its Calgary! We could have not only gotten a good return, but had some control over where they landed. + Madden and a second worstgmever
  16. Its more fun when we are winning and Bieksa can brag about us. Instead of bemoaning us.
  17. Good thing Bo can serve OEL's penalty. We need the D. edit; never mind
  18. This kind of night is exactly when you need the captain to step up. He can't just take the night off even if other team mates are. He has to show by example. Make a big hit. Something.
  19. So is SN ever going to show a replay of the hit on Burroughs?
  20. I love this. How BB shuts down reporters who want to crap all over the team every post game, even after wins. He is exactly correct, they are trying to set him up to answer "Oh we got outplayed...woe is us" Instead he answers: "I don't care if we got outshot, I don't care if we got outplayed, we won the game, and that's the bottom line". lol That is a coaches job. To get wins. He's also right in reminding them that the goalie is a part of the team. I can just hear Travis Green respond to this question. He would either go one way, the baffling answer: "I thought we looked good out there", or he'd go the opposite "No we weren't very good, and we have to play better even though we won. Sometimes you win games you don't deserve to win, and vica versa..." Now you may think BB said much the same about reminiscing about coaching other teams games where they were outshot heavily and won, and outshot other teams and lost. But there is a difference. He never implied they didn't deserve to win. that they should feel bad about that. Now I'm sure that behind closed doors, he may have more choice words for individual player's performances, but to the media he doesn't take their bait. Love it.
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