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Here's the full list: From Dec. 22-28, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.8% of cases. From Dec. 15-28, they accounted for 54.7% of hospitalizations. Past week cases (Dec. 22-28) - Total 15,429 Not vaccinated: 2,185 (14.2%) Partially vaccinated: 249 (1.6%) Fully vaccinated: 12,995 (84.2%) Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 15-28) - Total 117 Not vaccinated: 64 (54.7%) Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%) Fully vaccinated: 53 (45.3%) Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 22-28) Not vaccinated: 337.3 Partially vaccinated: 96.4 Fully vaccinated: 283.7 Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 15-28) Not vaccinated: 14.9 Partially vaccinated: 0.0 Fully vaccinated: 1.1 Since December 2020, the Province has administered 9,368,643 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines. .......... Of COURSE most of the new infections are in vaccinated folks. It's because by now the vast majority are sensible and are vaccinated, sooooo that's who's getting it more. It's about hospitalizations. Keeping the curve flattened. I don't know why we even bother trying to explain facts to the flat earthers in here. I think some will just always believe they and their paranoid idiot circle are in the right no matter what anyone tells them. And their YouTube and FB algorithms will continually feed them covidiot ranters high on their 15 min of fame
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Yeah. I understand they still don't know everything about this new variant. Or even the base COVID 19 virus for that matter. But by all accounts, it is less severe. So, I'm just speaking out of my @#$ but maybe this is the exact variant we need at this particular time in the fight. That if we are "too" successful in suppressing Omnicron, and another more deadly variant sprouts up, we will still have many people that have not gotten COVID at all yet, and are more vulnerable to get the worse variant. So if we are going to all get it eventually, perhaps Omnicron is Mother Natures gift in a way? Just thinking out loud.
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I'm a PRO vaxer, as most know from my own posts. Pretty dumb to dismiss what the vast majority of medical experts say, who are 1000x smarter than me. But I do think there has to be a time when a less severe variant like Omnicron goes through most of the population. We are being told that eventually everyone will get some version of it. I don't hear too many shows where this is discussed. In that, we actually do achieve "herd immunity". Where so many of us have recovered, even if with hardly any symptoms because we were vaccinated, and developed our own antibodies against it. So theoretically, there should be a time when we treat it like having a bad cold. And we look at the a-holes who come to work, or school, and are clearly sick with coughing and runny nose etc...with the same level of distaste, but not outright fear, whether it is a cold, or if its COVID. ie...we still take them off the Christmas card list, but don't freak out like they brought the Black Plague into the building. And in many ways, this Omnicron variant, being a more mild version, is the perfect candidate to ease us into herd immunity. I'm not suggesting purposely exacerbating it, or stopping the mandates, just maybe more of an acceptance of it being here now, and dealing with it. Am I being radical in thinking this? We mostly have done what we set out to do.....flatten the curve. So as not to overwhelm our hospitals, as well as kill off all our health-issue vulnerable people and very old. Hurrah for us! No thanks to the selfish, deluded, creed of anti science dumbbells who worked against that goal. (And you just know that they will be the first to say..."see? everyone is fine...its not that bad...we were right!") WOOOOOOOSH. lol. But does anyone else think that half the people that wear a mask, outdoors, walking by themselves even, are using it mostly as a kind of face scarf in this cold weather? Also as an excuse to be more anonymous perhaps. I can see the mask becoming more of a staple for many folks going forward.
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Shocking to see that the majority cheer for other teams. As of this minute in your poll. Maybe its just arguing semantics, but the words "cheer for" is an act that can only be performed for one team, IMHO. ie...if you "cheer for" two teams, and they are playing each other...wouldn't your head explode? As you put it, I will love watching some teams play over others because of the talent and playing style, like Colorado, and favourite Canadian stars like MacKinnon, Crosby..and if the Canucks are out of the playoffs, I usually adopt a team temporarily to cheer for. But no...if the Canucks are still playing, I do not "cheer for" any other NHL team. That's impossible.
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1) And pretty remarkable in that Gillis only traded away one 1st round pick, and that was in the Cup run season, when we were on the top of the league, to bolster defense with Ballard, While JB has now traded two 1st round picks, multiple 2nds, and we are no where near close to being a contender 2) "Benning was instructed"....That right there should make any Canucks fan uneasy. If any GM prospect is told that if he wants the job he has to take his instructions from the real estate tycoon owner as to how to manage an NHL hockey team, and has any sense of self worth, he should not accept the job. And if he already has the job, he should leave like Linden did. Either way it shows JB to be a weak leader. Another sign of a weak leader is getting rid of all other voices and opinions and make decisions in isolation with your buddy Weisbrod. 3) Not ALL in. We still have Rathbone, Lockwood, Dipietro, Woo, and a promising Klimovich. But we can't afford to trade away any more prospects. No second round pick this season, but at least our first is still intact. We've depleted our cupboards pretty thin, no more room to pilfer from. And we have our obligatory risky long term contract in OEL, that a lot of teams have, but most NHL teams can only afford to carry one of those kinds of contracts. So that hand has been played as well. JB pretty much pushed in whatever chips he had left. Its going to take a lot of creativity to keep building but have enough to keep the core and find more help on defense. I'm just happy that a real GM/Pres is in charge now. Who won't allow himself to be led around by his nose. I have waaaaay more confidence in Rutherford. All of your we "might" have done this, and we "might" have picked them, is pointless. We might have picked McAvoy, or Nylander, instead of Juolevi, who it was rumoured JB swooped in and put his foot down to insist the Canucks pick. We "might" have finished even lower with a real rebuild going on, and taken Makar instead of Petey. And maybe Svechnikov instead of Hughes. Would that be so bad? It goes beyond ifs and could've's. at the draft. That's all hypothesizing. It was a confusion on what kind of rebuild or non rebuild we were on. What kind of team culture or identity we were building...or not. Continual roster overhauls. The re-starts, buyouts, borrowing from Money Mart on the next cheque. to fill the roster on a reliance on a perpetually failing pro scouting department. JB was a disaster that held the Canucks back and has delayed any new run for the Cup. Blew our first window with our young core on ELCs, and has hamstrung Rutherford with a task in cleaning up enough space to keep a decent core now that we have to pay them, and have enough to round out the support players to build towards that second window, while not draining more of the prospect futures to do it. But I'm still optimistic. A creative, well connected GM/President can do miraculaous things, so I'm forever hopeful. JB may have scraped together a decent roster finally, but at a price, in cap and in years spent. But I'm grateful for that at least. I could never believe they were as bad as their record was. If the team can keep up the good play, I'm excited about the future. Out with the old Jim, in with the new Jim.
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1) Blaming Gillis, who was crafting a Cup contending team, and didn't have high picks, for leaving the cupboards bare...and that we have to still give Jim more rope, more excuses, 8 years later because of that hole in Gillis's reign, is like hearing desperate whining from any ruling political party about the economy being ruined by a former PM, or President, after a new leader is already deep into their second term. Its way past being valid, and should be embarrassing to use. 2) Yes, yes there was. The fear of the unknown. The Sedins and that core had 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 to try again to reach the SCF. What's the definition of insanity? After all that, signing LE in 2016 to 6 x 6 to keep the "quick turnaround" going. 3) Yes, yes we do. But at what cost? JB was a gambler. He won some good hands, but lost a lot too. He's been robbing Peter to pay for Paul for years. Each time we lose more chips. I was actually impressed with his work this off season, and the team he managed to scrape together this season with what he had left himself to work with. He went all in with what he had. Cashed in his second 1st rounder, and another 2nd. Taking on a risky contract in OEL, which may cause headache down the road. As will our bare cupboards in the prospect pool (Gee, I remember another GM who was criticized for that). But yeah, if you scrape the barrel, and trade away more pieces for the future, take on NHL ready-to-play FA contracts, over taking time to develop your own picks, any GM should be able to put together a one off. A team that looks great at the moment. The challenge now for Rutherford is to find a way to keep most of our core together, and still build for the future. JB should have been replaced years ago already. Way before he thought it was a great idea to re-sign Travis Green. Just because we had sub par coaching, does not excuse the sub par managing over the last 7/8 years.
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What do you think; how will the pause affect the team?
kilgore replied to Rubik's topic in Canucks Talk
I think so too. Normally, one might think its not so good to interrupt a team that's on a roll. But in this case, the pros outweigh the cons. On a team that hasn't had any real time to practice with the new coach. Now that can happen. On a team with players, especially on D, out with either injury or C protocol, this will give us the best possible chance with a relatively healthy roster. -
[Poll] Should the NHL Pause the season till January 1st
kilgore replied to VegasCanuck's topic in Canucks Talk
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I think neither is right or wrong. Green didn't really have a system. At least not a well thought out one. Look how much he'd put his lines in the blender, sometimes within 5 minutes of the game if it wasn't going his way. He coached by the seat of his pants. He coached mostly afraid to lose. We'd get behind by a goal, in most games he coached this season, and so he'd revert to a defensive shell game. No one is saying it was a SUCCESSFUL defensive system, but that was his go to most games. Skate backwards and allow entry into our zone. I guess to be extra cautious about letting the puck carrier get behind them. Then work like heck to recover the puck and dump it out and try and chase it down. And then combine that strategy with mixed messages to your offensive minded young players who then had to switch from a static defensive posture to skating fast and passing fast, and shooting fast. Back and forth, all game long. No wonder they looked tired a lot of games. Physically and mentally. The PK took that static approach to another level yet. So when the PK was over, they'd have to switch systems in their minds 180, to the Green offensive system. There was no flow. From standing still to high octane rushes. Then back up and freeze again. There is so much more fluidity with Boudreau's system. Attack and be active the whole time you are out there, so if and when there's a turnover in your favour, the whole lineup on the ice is ready, moving, and probably already skating up the ice.
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COVID SUCKS!!!! Whether you are a science denying flat earther, or one so paranoid that you wear a mask even driving alone or walking along the beach. (which even I think is a little whack) We are all Canucks. In both senses of the word. We are all Canadians (mostly I assume) who have to get through this together. I'm hoping that the flat earthers dwindle in size as time goes on. And they see that vaccinated people are not dropping like flys after a year with it in their systems. But dang I'm impressed with their fortitude of delusion. The moving goalposts they engage in. If its not that the virus is hardly more dangerous than the common flu, its promoting some perceived danger with the vaccines themselves, to that its really about big gov telling them what to do....even if its for their own good. I'm now understanding that there will always be a percentage of the idiocracy in any society, that will continually just move the goalposts to be able to pretend they were right all along. Even if it means we all suffer longer. That this percent of the population just can never admit they were wrong or allowed themselves to be misled about something. They are too smart for that. So the rest of us will have to pick up the slack for them. Like the rest of the Canucks had to pick up the slack for LE. Its just the way it is. Sorry, its not a COVID thread. Just venting about the game being cancelled. And realizing how we'd all get back to "normal", and scheduled hockey games, if everyone just did their part. No matter how painful, annoying, uncomfortable, patient, lonely, one has to endure for now. it is what it is.
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Yup, that's how I remember it. I think most fans who followed the team with any regularity, were kind of expecting a rebuild of some kind when JB came in. Most had already heard Tort's quote by then about the core being "stale". And probably agreed. Most were all just expecting the hammer to drop. Then......miracles of miracles.....this highly touted new GM, who helped Boston, the team that beat our a** in 2011. Heck it worked so well bringing back Messier and Keenan, why not try it again? Not that JB helped draft any of the key players on that Boston team. He came just after. the Marchand, Kessel, Lucic draft in 2006. This is who came in while he was AG: 2007 Hamill ----------GP 20 Cross -----------GP 3 Reul ------------GP 0 Goulet ----------GP 0 Ostricill ---------GP 0 Knackstedt -----GP 0 2008 Colborne -------GP 194 Sauve ----------GP 0 Hutchinson -----GP 58 Arniel -----------GP 1 Tremblay -------GP 0 Goggin ----------GP 0 2009 Caron -----------GP 157 Button ----------GP 0 Macdermid ------GP 10 Randall ----------GP 0 Sexton ----------GP 0 2010 Seguin ----------GP 396 Knight ----------GP 0 Spooner --------GP 90 Cunningham ---GP 40 Florek -----------GP 0 McIntyre --------GP 0 Trotman ---------GP 0 Chudinov --------GP 0 2011 Hamilton --------GP 217 Khocklachev ----GP 9 Camera ---------GP 0 Ferlin ------------GP 0 O'Gara -----------GP 0 Vorden -----------GP 0 2012 Subban ----------GP 1 Gryxelchek ------GP 0 Griffith -----------GP 32 Payne ------------GP 0 Benning --------- GP 0 Hargrove ---------GP 0 2013 Arnesson ---------GP 0 Cehlarik ----------GP 0 Fitzgerald --------GP 0 Blidh -------------GP 0 Sherman ---------GP 0 Dempsey ---------GP 0 Not too impressive. A few hits, but a lot of misses. Who knows how much influence he even had with those picks, but I don't understand why anyone in Vancouver ownership or media thought he was this genius drafter. But anyways, we all were led to believe that. And his first pick was.....Virtanen! Off to a rockin start. Only after Linden convinced him that he needed a new amateur scouting department and director in Judd Brackett, who could work 24/7 on amateur scouting did things start to come around. With Judd's specialty in Eastern American leagues we pilfered players like Boeser, and Demko who were picked lower in the draft. When JB came in, most fans believed the hype in the media, why wouldn't we? We were excited to give this new highly touted GM from Boston a chance. So when this presumably knowledgeable hockey man came out in one of his first press conferences and said he thought he could turn the team around quickly, no need for a strip down, and don't even say the word "rebuild".....we naturally were excited that we were wrong! That this hockey team building expert said we don't need one! Wooo Hooo! Playoffs baby!!!! We Want To Believe! I don't have to regurgitate what happened in the next 7 years.
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Sorry Coco, seems like you are getting piled on. But I just have to say this. If Millers "intangibles" are so easily replaced, why can you only name one other Canuck, Garland, who has these elusive "intangibles"? And imply we have one, so....we're good? And Garland only came onto the team this season. I think you are vastly underestimating what those intangibles represent for a winning team to keep on winning. And how easy it is to replace that. You are right, its up to management. I do trust this present management to make the smart decision regarding Miller. They may see it as you do or as I do. I trust them to judge as experienced hockey people. The window isn't static for sure, but JB has basically pushed us into this position by maxing out the cap, signing or taking on new players to multi year deals. And not having a lot to hope for coming out of Abbotsford anytime soon, which is now one of the oldest, vet laden teams in the AHL. No its not going to irreversibly damage the psyche of the team if he were traded away, but its just another deadly stab at the heart of the team's chemistry on a team that is barely afloat confidence wise, and just now finding its legs again. You can say all you want how they are professionals and they should just suck it up. but in reality, like when you strip away important pieces like a Tanev, along with the other pieces in that infamous summer, it does have an effect. And to remove such a loud, passionate, physical, and productive force on the team? It has to. It also has an effect on players not being comfortable with management, especially if there is lack of communication, and it affects things like if other players even want to play here. Did Schmidt leave because of the schmidt show? Yes there is a dollar value worth, cap hit worth, but there is also other types of worth. An NHL team is not like a machine you can just unplug one piece and replace it with another and it will all be back to normal. A piece with those 'intangibles' is worth much more than one which doesn't have them, even if they are a few years younger. We need Miller, and Motte, and Garland, and add to that even more players who have those kind of intangibles that truly shine in the playoffs. When you have them, you hold onto them.
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Interesting how a team like the Rangers, who did an honest rebuild, was honest about it with their fans, and now see the benefits with their prospects and picks they kept, and traded for to stock their cupboards, entering their early prime, and contributing, and that they can now afford to actually take on a Miller as a key veteran support player for their, hopeful, playoff runs for presumably the next number of years. And we, who never got a proper rebuild, have now overshot that first window and have to give up a player like Miller to NY instead of us being able to use of what he brings to the game for any playoffs we hope to get to.
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You put the "nuts" in Coconuts. Sorry I had to. The thing is, sure, most players do regress, at least somewhat, after say 32 or so. You are right. And the same will be true of Miller. But its all about how much, and what part of his game. And does he still bring intangibles that would be difficult to replace. And is what he brings back into the dressing room and on the ice worth losing on the risk of replacing him with someone else who can contribute as much? and in so many areas? I say ...no. He doesn't have to be our leading scorer in the future. In fact, we are probably not advancing much if he still is years from now. Hopefully Petey in particular, but also up n comers like Hogz and Podz, Garland and Hughes, should fill in our scoring. What Miller brings is irreplaceable. Tampa Bay must really be deep to have been able to let him go. Although they did get a pretty good compensation. What a find! Nothing against Bo, as a person or as a player, but I honestly wish JT was our captain at this moment in time. I'm glad he at least gets to don an A this season. There is something very special about JT, much like Alex Burrows, its hard to put down on paper. Its desire, dedication, passion, confidence, which all players have to some degree, but certain players just have these qualities instinctively as part of their DNA. This is our window. Rushed into it by JB management IMO, but what is the point in trading our leading scorer NOW? We are not in rebuild mode....again....yet. You also have to think about what yanking Miller out of our lineup will do to the chemistry, and confidence of the rest of the team. Look at what ripping Tanev and Marky, and even Stecher, off the team did to the team psyche. Even if you get back something you think is more talented like Schmidt > Tanev, it doesn't always work out chemistry wise. So IMO, even if we end up over paying MIller on any new contract's tail end, or have to buy him out, he is too important to this teams psyche and development in the next five or six years to not have him here. At any rate, we don't have to think about this until this time next year. If he's showing signs he wants out, if gawd forbid, the team goes back to stinking up the joint, or his own play declines noticeably, then we can entertain moving him. Yeah I know, he'd have less trade value if that happened then than now. But that risk of losing some of his trade value is worth avoiding losing what he could bring to this team and its chances at actually winning their first Cup. Miller is exactly the kind of player you hunt for if you are a playoff team. If he's still producing and leading the team emotionally, along with Garland, who is another special kind of player, then of course you find a way to re-sign him. He's just too important to this team.
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I hope this new management team can figure out a way to keep together, re-sign: Demko Bo Miller Petey Boeser Hughes Hogs Podz I'd love to see how a real GM manages to find creative ways to keep all these players together for the next 6 or 7 years. But,....if that is impossible because of the cap not going up, or some other issue, why is it between Miller and Boeser? As most seem to be proposing. If its one of them, and its preferably one of the ones on the older end of the scale, is it sacrilege to suggest it be Bo? The way he has been playing of late, his value is probably quite high as well. I'd hate to lose him, and I'd prefer we keep all of those above. But on a true contender, Bo would probably be invaluable as one of the final pieces, especially that he doesn't have to be "the guy". If it were between Miller and Bo, I'd sadly trade Bo, and then give the Captain C to Miller.
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Paul Maurice resigns as Jets head coach
kilgore replied to aGENT's topic in General Hockey Discussion
Interesting take. But in hindsight you may be right. It was also coming down at Green from Benning, this play not to lose MO, and to him from Aquilini. Benning was so eager to please and entertain the owners fantasies about the team being on the brink. So he did what any team on the brink does...not worry about building for the future, just add a few more plugs instead each off season, for the depth to take us as far as possible to the promised land. And Green, also on his first NHL coaching gig, knew what was expected of him, not to lose, so played those plugs over keeping prospects up and developing them, in mostly vain attempts to squeak into the playoffs. Benning and Green together, didn't have half the integrity of Maurice. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at San Jose Sharks | Dec. 16, 2021
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Petey's not the only one coming back from injury, into the season, and having trouble finding his legs. Or hands or head. I've noticed its not the same old Motte we knew and loved before injury. Not yet anyways. He'll get there, as will Petey. Some players, some injuries where you can't work out as well, take longer than others before you get your mojo back. -
[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at San Jose Sharks | Dec. 16, 2021
kilgore replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Keep it going boys!