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Canucks End of Season Media Availability @ Noon
Nuxfanabroad replied to Rush17's topic in Canucks Talk
Did someone ask Green why he horse-whipped 19 pack mules across the Sahara, while leaving several sleepy camels back at the oasis?! -
When does it roll on to Osaka? Or U'all just blowin' smoke?!
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...but then you see TBay, & none of this matters in the end. 'Cos who's gonna stop them sob's anyhow?
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Hell attach LouiE to Quinn Hughes & trade him to NJ for a boatload. I'd prefer that to dealing TD!
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[Report] Mikael Granlund to test free agency
Nuxfanabroad replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Y'know a team's development could be arrested, trying to carry two Grans? -
[Report] Mikael Granlund to test free agency
Nuxfanabroad replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Trades, Rumours, Signings
In light of economic uncertainties, I believe it'll test him! -
In summary: I have long not understood puck coaches' reluctance to use healthy depth. To me this was a prime example. You take a big, rangy C like Graovac & put two speedsters on his W's, like Jake & Motte..you tellin' me that guy can't give you 2 effective(4th line) games of about 9-12 shifts? Rubbish, I say. Then, in game 7 you got Beagle & Sutter only having played 4-in-7. HUUge diff for their bodies, in their 30's. Then apply that principle for Bailey, maybe spelling Brock & TT(mid-series). The basic concept is you're loading your lines with extra energy for the denouement(game 6 or 7) when everyone is wearing down. Mac & Bro LouiE could have also subbed for Rouss, Pearson types. In an old restaurant gig, mgt(meetings) would explain how adversity/trouble can be shifted into opportunity. Decades later, this capitalistic-propaganda still washes over the brain! :^) After the rescheduling, Green shoulda' taken the whole gang in the room, & given the big us-vs-the-world, grand speech. "This is what we're gonna do boys..wear'em down with our youth & depth! Every key vet give me one game off, & you'll understand when this thing goes deep. When game 7 eventually arrives, we ROLL with the gm 6 St Loo lineup. We'll beat these arrogant b*stards with their own medicine! yada yada" Was obvious the players gave every ounce of energy they had. Team(& situation) they were overmatched. Therefore, we required a boldness in strategy that the coach(es) were apparently not quite ready for yet. So I conclude in saying I'm incredibly proud/pleased with what the players gave us. It's the coaches who I believe need to deeply reflect, & learn lessons moving forward. These arrogant, bully-b*stards were ripe for the picking, & I'll always believe we could have pulled it off!
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Yeah, but the books were balanced after EP's artistry is gm #2. We had 2 or 3 days sitting on our duff to map out the course from there.
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Thanks, & then consider(cos' it's sometimes fun to ponder these things), how the reactions would've been... Say we still lose game # 3. Then Thatcher comes in & stands on his head, winning game 4, by a 3-1 score. Suddenly Jacob(who presumably is then healthy & rested) is thinking..'Wow! I'd better pull up my socks & win game 5, cos Thatch was lights-out!' THEN(here's the kicker)..what are the Vegans thinking, at that moment?! OMG..these guys don't have ONE 'tending-monster..they F***ing have TWO! Meanwhile, we got one drama queen pin-cushioned by De-Bore! & one other guy that might fly off the handle. ..ahh, it all could've happened
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Agreed with you SP7. I've been posting on the assumption that JM will(deservedly) want no uncertain, ambiguous terms. Also assume JB will want to preemptively nip a Lu/Cory scenario, in the bud. If JM is such a swell sport he will accept reasonable term/$ with no special clauses..well then Hell yeah! Keep'em both 'til later.
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Are you talking about another poster? Because I clearly stated these things BEFORE game freeken' 3. That's what I've been saying for 10 days now. Even bumped the thread I've been referencing, for everyone's convenience. & it's no longer "easy" to say this.. at all. I reallllly wanted Van to beat this arrogant cast of Vegans. I would gladly stand wrong/corrected right now, IFFF Green's hard-headed approach actually bore fruit! I'd LOOOOOVE to be flat-out wrong about this. & lastly I'll repeat that I do like Green..but he went full-amateur here. This series was lost through poorly chosen rosters(in my mind), between games #4- #6.
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Canucks lined up for 5 games in 7 nights - what’s the goalie scenario?
Nuxfanabroad replied to EP40.'s topic in Canucks Talk
I keep referencing this thread in today's Canucks Talk discussion. The two should be side x side. -
I am partly suggesting there's long been an organizational-reluctance with fresh faces, to have much faith. AV & WD were like this too. Then we(fans mostly) are always noting we have one of the most onerous travel/scheduling/time zones etc...scenarios of all the 31 teams. We often lament(here on CDC, esp GDT's) the lousy 3-5 mins these kinda guys get in recall situations. So guys like Graovac & Bailey wind up as an even bigger mystery box than Demko was. In Grao's case, with that multi-month injury it's somewhat understandable. But you're talking a very fresh 6'5" C who has a lot(like another contract) to play hard for. Then Bailey was putting up hatties last Fall/winter like a mad-man. These guys each had dozens of game-exp in the show. They might well have contributed a good push. Then finally as a coach I'd sell this to the group. "Boys if it does go 7 I'm rolling with the lineup that doused StLoo. Only some of you guys will be extra rested & sharper!" Then factor in how worn-down the bottom-6 must've been after hackin & whackin through the other 2 opponents. I didn't expect much change on the blueline(maybe an extra game/two for Benn). Mostly we'd been distributing mins well, & the position is just too tough to throw a youngster in vs a physically-amped opponent like LV. I sincerely wanted to discuss these ideas in the Aug 29th thread..but it seemed heresy just to mention using depth. Not one poster responded to the notion I'd posted then. Does seem folks are quick to reply/admonish(sometimes) when one looks back in retrospect. Then next season we'll go back to whining how Billy Schmucker got 3:57 in his mid-wk call-up...
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The 'ifs' exist before the roster is drawn up, or the game played, as well. Was it just Green who decided the roster? Maybe he'd discussed it extensively with JB & asst's? I don't know if such talks would occur? Not sure whether it's a singular or collective-call. At the end of the day, if they want players to learn from gaffes, so too must coaches. I don't see it as needless reflection, but a lesson they'd damnwell best learn from(finally). Use your depth.
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Pls go back to that thread(5 in 7 strategy, etc...). It's Aug 29th(BLM break thing) day before gm 3. I said tell Jacob gm 3 is his; TD gm 4 is his. Five apparently agreed & +'d this suggestion. Furthermore, every other fr*ckin' coach in the same situation used their other 'tender. It wasn't an earth-shattering notion. Sorry. No revisionist-history here at all. Go read it. They dropped the ball. & don't anyone call me a bad fan for BELIEVing! Lost Vegans were good. Not saying we WOULD have won. Nope. But I am saying I believe we would have won(had we trusted our depth). It's all moot..no one now will ever know.
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Not trying to re-write the past wk, or jump into DeLorean & go back in time. We lost..oh well. But there's definitely lessons to learn here. Torts was pretty good at using bodies, but of course he'd ground up the whole roster into mincemeat first. So he's a different animal from a diff planet. But AV, WD-realbad & TG all have this tendency. Call up some schmoe for a Nov-Jan appearance, & you'll prob see the poor bloke in the stands. Should he dress, the guy plays 3:42 & gets benched for sneezing funny. It's predictable & tediously traumatic to watch transpire! Turn over a new leaf for the love of the puck-Gawds. We no longer have to worry about our pawned-off 1st. Coach & play brave, bold, fast & furious. Roll with youth & depth in the yrs to come. Maintained this before, during & after the fact.
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Ironically that's who we hoped Boeser becomes! No regrets for '82. The Miracle on Manchester(Kings) made Van's Finals possible in the 1st place. They were lucky to get that far. THIS roster had some '94 magic. This team could've gone farther than any of us imagined. They need some 'outside the box' thinking, with this incredibly taxing scenario.
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Big difference. That's on-ice execution. Every human is prone to brain-f*rts. T'was mighty painful, no doubt. Loved Schneptsy too. This is planning roster for freeken 5-in-7. This series was possibly lost off the ice. I'm just your avg poster, glorified armchair-coach. But go back 10 days to that thread I referenced(5-in-7 what should we do). In b & w on page 1 I stated they NEEED to make some depth-calls & go with TD for game 4. Aug 29th..go take a gander.
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We're not dealing the cards, nor choosing the sched. THAT is the hand you're dealt. Our responsibility(that is, coaches), is to choose how to play out that hand. With all their decades of experience, this was a monumental oversight. We should be in rd 3; instead we're talking about vague and/or intangible matters such as gained experience for youth. Could have gained even more!
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Yeah, I believe we would have beat the Lost Vegans if we'd started using our depth(esp fwds) from game 3 onwards; as well as putting TD in net for gm 4. I bet Thatcher would have won that game #4. His 3 game brilliance makes this a reasonable statement. The team played very well that tilt, offering more run support than he seemed to need. numbered pts: 1- We could have been probably tied at two games, maybe even UP 3-1(after the wknd). & most likely had BOTH star goalies rarin' to go. 2- We should have asked for 1 game off from a list of guys(Sutter, Beagle, Rous, Pearson, Toff, Gaud) inserting Mac, LouiE, Graovac & Bailey, between games #3- #6. This would have ensured all our 4 lines were fresh as daisies. 3- I tried to start discussion on these ideas in that late Aug thread, running into that good ol' wall of disagreement. 4- I like Green as a coach, agree with 85-90% of his work, thus far. But this was a mistake. I really HOPE the franchise learns here. But who knows when we'd ever have to go 5-in-7 again?! For a physically mammoth-taxing sport like PO-puck, in these conditions, it wasn't even a Fr*cking choice. You have to use some depth here. They keep saying, "Well we want to be honest with our players, & see they're honest with themselves..yada, yada." I say to the coaching staff. Take this approach too. Be honest. This was a mistake. Stop stroking the shoulder of marginal vets. Use your whole team.
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A decent case can be made for either talented 'tender, but next yr we could roll with the kid for only 1 million smackers! That's bang for the (Nuck) Buck.
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2 teams I hate, from a country that just causes global-turmoil. Don't even think I'll read the f***ing summaries. Season's done for moi.
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Not the end of the world if we fall back a little, next season(since we hold all key picks). So Don't! attach picks/youth to dump excess. Be patient & work around it. That said, I've seen enough of the Abby-airhead. No prob if they move the guy, out east pls. Want more speed, youth & size. Stecher is an exception. Would run with him long-term, but ask he learns/accepts subbing as 4th liner(at times). We need to roll 7D lineups on our bxb's & long, multi TZ trips. He's committed & versatile; could learn to adapt like Bulldog used to. Let CT & JM go get deserved big contracts. Prefer a big, deeep blueline. More like NYI's & Canes feature. Willing to deal a couple young stars to see this fulfilled. But Petterson is key. Lock him in, A$AP! Also bring back The TREE! Rathbone should be the last one. Stop bringing in smaller D-men. We take too much crap. Need a bunch of redwoods back there.
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As mentioned, Demko passed this test with flying V colours. 3 games with the season on the line. Obviously over-matched, with NO margin of error, as the team couldn't even handle getting down a goal. Prob never been a young 'tender (league history) to have aced a pressure test to such degree. Hasek would've been patting himself on the back. On Jacob. Again, he was a part of the Trev Linden haul('98 trade bringing in Bert, then Lu, then Jacob..with even more pieces from the original NYI return). This was extraordinary. As much as we hated Keenan, this deal fleecing Milbury led to milking an asset for a BONUS two decades! I was hoping we might turn JM into a pick one day, & Trev's karma would turn that into another star. But 32 yrs ain't too shabby. Hell, JM could've been waiver-nabbed a long ways back, & none of us would have even realized what was squandered. So now feel we ought to appreciate ALL we received from a brilliant 1988 choice, & simply move forwards with the young star. As he deserves, Jacob should get a monster contract when he signs. & it'll likely be a top team(perhaps Avs or Canes?)