Ray_Cathode
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Does anyone have a 100% success rate in their draft choices? I think we'll need still more good young centres before we have a serious contending team.
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There is some truth to that, like Morrison with Bertuzzi and Naslund, but teams who were strong down the middle did give us fits, even then. Or, it may have been scoring depth that was the issue. For myself, though, I think that strong centres are the backbone of the team - they make your defence look better if they have better coverage, and the wingers look better because of their play-making. If Pettersson can be an effective centre, he would be more valuable for us at that position.
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Skating isn’t learned in games, it’s learned in training, power skating, etc.
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Well, Chris Tanev was in a league even lower in Ontario as an overage and didn’t do too badly.
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Not really: “As of January 2018, the IOC had sanctioned 43 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Olympics and banned them from competing in the 2018 edition and all other future Olympic Games as part of the Oswald Commission. All but one of these athletes appealed against their bans to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The court overturned the sanctions on 28 athletes meaning that their Sochi medals and results are reinstated but decided that there was sufficient evidence against 11 athletes to uphold their Sochi sanctions. The IOC said in a statement that "the result of the CAS decision does not mean that athletes from the group of 28 will be invited to the Games. Not being sanctioned does not automatically confer the privilege of an invitation" and that "this [case] may have a serious impact on the future fight against doping". The IOC found it important to note that CAS Secretary General "insisted that the CAS decision does not mean that these 28 athletes are innocent" and that they would consider an appeal against the court's decision. The court also decided that none of the 39 athletes should be banned from all future Olympic Games, but only the 2018 Games. 3 Russian athletes are still waiting for their hearing which will be conducted after the 2018 Games. From Wikipedia A reading of the following gives a greater indication of the level of Russian cheating and lack of co-operation into the investigation: http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/russia-resorts-to-bluster-to-defend-itself-from-doping-allegations-without-refuting-any-of-the-damning-evidence
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They weren’t punished, they are playing, but not as the ‘official’ Russian team. Of course everything in Russia outside of Moscow is ‘official’, in Moscow official means doing whatever it takes.
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The existing prospect pool is unlikely to positively affect our defence in any significant way. Of course, with the deep pool of quality D available in this draft, it could have a positive effect a couple of years hence. Also, getting younger, more skilled and faster at center CAN have a very positive effect own zone coverage. The zamboni would be a positive change for Henrik in his own zone - so there is that. I’d rather Demko came up after we have improved our defensive play.
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Maybe Tryamkin just refused to take performance enhancing drugs - didn’t the inquiry show that taking them was mandartory for Olympic athletes: -https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ban-russia-from-the-olympics/2017/11/30/e968dd10-d556-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?utm_term=.28527e1140e5
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Any chance this is a punishment for speaking out against the coaches at the world juniors?
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If it means losing prospects to waivers, don’t bring back the Sedins or Vanek, waive Gagner - even if we have to pay him big bucks to play in the AHL (if he clears waivers). Let’s stop pretending we aren’t in a full rebuild. We are. We cannot afford to lose prospects to provide a retirement home for has beens.
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How about Hyman Matthews Nylander? Cagguila McDavid Draisaitl? Domi Dvorak Duclair? Mantha-Larkin-Athanasiou line earlier which had an average of 22.3 years old I think your objection is irrelevant with regard to facts. Many young players now days have been very well coached and many are also extremely fit compared to earlier times.
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Do you mean as opposed to the disaster that is already happening? N/it arguing for that particular line though.
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I seriously doubt they will put a player in whom they want to cultivate offence on a line where offence goes to die. In addition, Sutter’s role has been entirely defensive, which means playing against the other teams best offensive line - that would hardly be ‘sheltering’ Pettersson’.
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We have collected some good talent, and this year it looks lIke we have a chance to collect some more - hopefully a couple of the good young D available in this draft.
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Stevens wasn’t playing against Colin Campbell’s son.
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The unbiased Colin Campbell: http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2010/11/15/colin-campbell-exposed-says-marc-savard-is-biggest-faker-going-berates-officials-for-picking-on-his-son/
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Things can change in a hurry in the KHL, like when your team stops paying you.
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Opinions are worth exactly what they are based on; if they are based on nothing, they are worth nothing.
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If the Sedins aren’t playing top six minutes and PP, I don’t see how they could be effective or useful. They are not very good in their own end, so that leaves young guys with almost all the own zone starts. That puts our guys we are trying to break in slowly under a lot of pressure - better that our third line be of the likes of Sutter, Granlund, and Erickson. If they stay, the youngsters won’t be playing - which could be okay, they could develop them in the minors. If we manage to trade Vanek, and (unlikely) Gagner that would give us one or two spots. Still, a good enough young player could be good enough this fall to force the Canucks to push out a vet by trade or waiver.
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When the heck did Horvat ever get 60 points? The best he has done is 52. Pittsburg was much more than a 'good team', they were. and maybe still are an elite team - how else would you describe a team that goes multiple times to the final? And winning several times? Last year Crosby had 89 points and Malkin 72 - if Horvat was on that team, where would he be? First line? Second line? Oh yeah, third line on a team that wins Stanley Cups. What the hell has Backstrom ever won outside the regular season? He has never won a Stanley cup, nor even been close, Getzlaf WAS a very good center - WAS, but the year they won, he was not the top center on his team, Andy McDonald was - but the reason they won was on the blue line - Pronger and Neidermeyer - they had two of the very best D in the league. Oh, by the way, getting back to Horvat's 52 points last year: 2017 Points fromm the middle: Edmonton: McDavid 100, Draisaitl 77, Eberle 51 Minnesota: Staal 65, Koivu 58, Coyle 56 Pittsburg: Crosby 89, Malkin 72, I guess Horvat's 52 would put him about here. San Jose: Pavelski 68, Couturier 52, Thornton 50 Toronto; Matthews 69, Kadri 61, Marner 61 (Bozak 55) That positions him right in their for third line. See the flaw in YOUR argument? Like many in Vancouver, you seriously over-rate our players - it is just like when Toronto had crap teams, but the leafs fans raved about their players - like Sundin - well, we saw what he was about when he got here - a sausage in a skin way too tight. We are 4th from the bottom of the league - and that is after adding a likely Calder runner-up. We just lost to a team ranked lower than us, and we are healthy, 4 to zip. Calling Horvat a number one center (and many have even referred to him as a future captain), is just not realistic - Horvat hasn't really done anything to deserve that yet. I'd like to think he might, but putting a weight of expectation like that on a soon to be 23 year old kid, is just not right and not fair.
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Elite D are harder to find and often take longer to develop Elite D can influence the game more than at any other position - they also affect how good your goalie looks - IF they are elite both offensively and defensively. We have never really had one in Vancouver (except maybe for Paul Reinhart - and by the time we got him he had a bad back). Just think Detroit with Lidstrom... and then without, LA with Doughty and then without, the fact that Edmonton (for all of their talent up front) does not have one, or Chicago now that Keith and Seabrooke have past their prime. I agree that, this looks like the year to draft one - or, if miracles can happen, two! A high first round pick and a middle of the first round pick could do the job. Interesting to find out what Tanev might mean to the right team.
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My point is that people here have been treating him as a number one center. I don’t see it. He is a Couple of months away from 23. Boeser, by the way, is two years younger, and does not have the advantage of four years in the NHL. He is what a player destined to be an elite talent looks like - barring injury. Putting the pressure of elite expectations on Horvat, I don’t believe, is fair to him. Could he become that elite, number one center that takes his team to the Stanley? Maybe, but very unlikely. He sure doesn’t look like a Crosby (or a Malkin), or what Toews looked like a few years ago, or any other elite center. I think we are asking too much of him for that - but I do think he could be a great difference maker when we put some elite players out in front of him.
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That is the sum total of your argument when your points have been refuted?
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Perhaps, when we put players better than him around him.