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With regard to the Russians playing slightly off the boards, that could be because their rinks are about fifteen feet wider than official NHL rinks. (NHL 200x85, Europe 197x98.4)
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Notice that the movement is essentially rotation. The defenders have to move in order to defend; something that our first unit does not do, they stay on the outside and don't rotate, so that the defenders just come out to them and pin them to the boards - board battles that we consistently lose. if the PP is static, it is easy to block passing lanes, until you rotate, nothing opens up. Movement creates passing lanes, plus it drags players out of position - reversing rotation does the same only moreso. Our PK problems are the reverse of our PP problem. We stay in the middle of the ice and the other team has open lanes to pass through everytime they move. We are dead on the PK because we don't pressure the side boards - we let them find great looks because the enemy PP has all the time in the world. Give NHL players that kind of time and they will do exactly what they are doing - murdering us. It does not help that none of the pairings are intact from last year, and we have had precious little practice time - but even last year with consistent pairings we were at best middle of the pack.
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Amen re Jake - why don't we look at the guys that did not show up again - the one's you listed. We gave up 7 penalties, 5 of which were entirely undisciplined. The reason we got half those penalties is frustration at not being able to get out of our zone with solid possession. Then we have no neutral zone play where we are able to maintain possession - Green has are guys just dash straight up the ice and run into the defence or get checked by back checking forwards. Our D meanwhile is a million miles behind the play so that we are three on five. We do not play as a cohesive five man unit in every zone. The Flames maintain possession because they play as a unit. The McDavids beat us because we don't play as a cohesive unit in the central ice zone. The job of the forwards is to check parallel to the attacking team, closing off their lane toward the boards, funneling them into a defenceman so that he only has to cover eight feet of width instead of half the width of the ice. We just go straight at the attackers in the neutral zone, which is easy for forwards to turn away from. Taking the lane beside them and closing them toward the boards helps to take away the pass and takes away the attacker's space. It also makes big, physical defencemen a valuable commodity - no greater terror than being a forward being channeled into a funnel with a gorilla waiting at the end of it.
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I have some questions: How is it that Tkachuk is not a Brazilian soccer player's name? How is it that refs don't clue into his act? Why do referees all idolize Alfred E. Newman, and why are there centerfolds of him in the referee's change room? Is there a reason when opposition teams bring over an extra player to seal the boards that we don't try a different method of coming out of our zone? Who coaches our defensive zone play? Who coaches our useless powerplay? Why is Pettersson playing like he doesn't give a crap? Have we renewed Green's contract yet?
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With Podkolzin and Tryamkin yew might actually get to see some physical play from the Canucks, rather than just being run over by guys like Lucic, Kassian, and Tkachuk.
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Oops, silly me. My studmuffinness must have got the better of me. I just don’t think there would be much vagrancy in the Canuck crease if he was present - something that is certainly a problem now.
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We also struggle at making exits with solid possession getting out of our zone. In addition, our forwards make very little serious contact in any zone. Somehow, we managed to turn MacEwen into Eriksson, without picking up a penalty killer. I expect Louie back into the lineup because or PK is so completely ineffective. This is nothing new to these coaches. The failure of our PP speaks a lot to the absence of Miller, and also speaks to who our MVP is.
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Tryamkin’s skating has never been the knock on him, regarding him: skates well for a big guy. Scouting report from Elite Prospects: ”A colossal defensive defenceman that skates well and understands both sides of the puck. Displays fluid four-way skating ability and backchecks hard. Very proactive stick and adheres to the physical side of the game. Finds lanes and tracks the puck well in his own end, and will pressure the opposition to make hastier decisions. Great vision and willingness to move the puck up-ice quickly. Possesses a very strong shot and natural puck skills. Very good positionally in the offensive end and knows how to hem the opponents in. Excellent board play and always looks to keep opponents to the outside. [EP]” Dobber Prospects on Tryamkin: “A massive presence on the back end who skates like the wind and possesses a booming shot. Given the right opportunity could become a multi-category stud. Getting him back across the pond will be the challenge.”
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Victor Hedman seems to make out okay.
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You seem to forget that we have already seen Tryamkin in the NHL just two and a half years ago, and there was no evidence of Tryamkin not being mobile enough. The league has not changed that much in just two and a half years.
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Pretty much my assessment too, except for one more thing: this guy is crazy strong, he gives you a shove on the shoulder and it sends you reeling. There are some clips on Youtube of him taking down most of an entire line. Combined with Myers there would hardly be room for forwards to move without getting pushed off balance or pinned.
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Perrault wasn’t exactly chopped liver. Buffalo and Vancouver did get the first two overall picks in that draft, and persisted in having early round picks for years. Vancouver took Talon, but Leach, MacLeish, and Sittler were available in the first round, and Robinson was available in the second. Buffalo managed to put together one of the most exciting teams in the league. Formed in 1970, by the 74/75 season, the Sabres featured six forwards with over 30 goals and three more with over 20. Two additional forwards had 12 goals each. Vancouver, in the meantime, was first in the Smythe, but about to enter an era of terrible management decisions - among which were trading Vaive and Derlago for Williams and Butler, Harry Neale advised Vancouver not to exercise its claim to a former draft pick, Mike Rogers. Rogers, a centre, went on to have three 100 point plus years in Hartford with the Whalers - becoming the highest scoring centre the Canucks had drafted until Henrik Sedin got 112 points in 2009/2010. Rogers remains the only Canuck drafted centre to have multiple seasons of over one hundred points. Then Cam Neely and a third overall pick for Pederden. Nothing can save a team from self-destruction.
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I really liked Woo’s performance in camp. He improved every day from what I could see or hear - his style reminds me of a right shooting Hamhuis or maybe Bieksa without the fisticuffs. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see this kid pushing for a spot in a year or two.
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He can do what Hoglander did: force the team to play him through his performance. That is what Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes, and MacEwen did. That is the part he can control, the serendipity for most players is injury or illness to the guys ahead of you. Miller is Down, Virtanen gets a shot on the first line, MacEwen makes the lineup. Rafferty had a great college career and a fantastic year in Utica - that gets him looked at and may in large part be the reason he is still with the Canucks. Chances are something just given, you have to earn them - like Juolevi - he had to fight through years of recovery from injuries to get a shot, then he had to play well enough to earn it. He pushed Benn and Fantenberg out of the way by being pretty much able to do what they do, as well as what they do, but bring the promise of much more to come. Benn and Fantenberg, at this point in their careers, don’t offer much upside.
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Well, they are paying a lot of money to acquire a franchise... gotta get something for all that dough - and each team will have to grant something for their cut of that pie. Sadly, it allows new teams instant credibility without the chore of building a team and their fan’s expectations. But old teams had to surrender something for their massive payoff in cash. They get to jump the cue. If the nhl teams want to give up less, they should charge a smaller entry fee. On the other hand, Vegas read the situation pretty much perfectly and did a great job of leveraging their assets (their right to pick) into players and draft picks. Same thing for Seattle except that the rest of the NHL will see Seattle coming. Everybody is subject to everyone elses’s scouting.
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‘After all, who is paying his salary?’ That would be ownership - without crowd revenues, especially this year.
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Rathbone has been very impressive this camp, but so have @ number of other Canuck prospects: Juolevi, Brisebois, Rafferty, Woo, Sautner, and Chatfield. The last intersquad illustrated how mobile Woo and Brisebois are, and they aren’t even the prospects known for their skating. If Tryamkin also shows up there will be quite the crowd to choose from.
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With guys the size of Kunz, McDonough, Podkolzin, Tryamkin and Myers, we don’t need skating, we just need them to assemble near the opposition net and let gravity take its course.
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[Official] 2021 Training Camp Thread
Ray_Cathode replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
Hockey players play hockey, goalies play goal. -
[Official] 2021 Training Camp Thread
Ray_Cathode replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Canucks Talk
I played against the RCMP and the Firefighters. The firefighters goalie was Pete Newcombe when I first started playing. Friends of mine in a band used to play at the Canada - Nechako - knew Ian Robinson and Daryl Horlick. I used to play music at the Coffee House in the Knox church. -
[Official] 2021 Training Camp Thread
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I’ve been in the Mac in PG, and it was bad, but the Canada was worse. Both were on George St. - I grew up mid teens in an apartment above a bakery right between the two and across the alley from the Sally Ann. Not a great neighborhood, but I had a pet German shepherd that went wherever I did. Seen a lot of guys attacked with broken glasses or broken bottles, or knives. Saw a guy pull a knife at a pool table, and watched a player at the next table take him down with the heavy end of a pool cue. But yeah, guys in those bars were quick to go - Friday and Saturday night was always an adventure. A lot of the cops in town played on the intermediate level semi-pro home team, the Mohawks - Larry Vandergraaf, Neil Lundgren, and Carson Kerr come to mind, who played for the Mohawks, and their sergeant, Leo Langlois - who didn’t, were big, tough cops, and cleared out many a bar where a brawl was going on. Prince George was a boom town, and all kinds of men followed the laboring jobs wherever they went. Yet, for all of the nastiness, I never felt unsafe as a kid on those streets - I had my dog, but most of those tough men would not permit a kid being harassed. -
Gainey got to play wing with some great defensive centers in Montreal: Lemaire, Jarvis, Risebrough, and so on. They also had additional supporting players that played similar roles, such as Lambert, Tremblay, and so on. That era’s Canadiens may have been one of the greatest teams of all time. I hope we are starting to see that kind of depth develop in Vancouver... mostly due to the development of our own in house talent. We could be adding more first rounders to the team this year in Podkolzin, Juolevi, and the guy in a redraft who would have been a first rounder, Hoglander. That there are others pushing those high picks, such as Rathbone, Rafferty, MacEwen, Motte, Michaelis, Lockwood, and so on is really remarkable. There is some fierce competition to make this team, and difficult decisions for the final roster and taxi squad. I am really looking forward to the coming season and an emerging Canuck dynasty.