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  1. I was wondering today something given some posters I have seen on CDC - why do people troll websites?   Let's take CDC - it is a site for Canuck fans to voice opinions, concerns and even despair with a team that is currently coming out of their down cycle so most fans know that a 29th place team is not perfect but have optimism and even some patience.   However, no matter how positive an issue is, there are a handful of people who simply want to take every issue and look for drama and implied "doom and gloom" even where there is no evidence of any such.   Being constructive critical is what a fan would do - hating on every single move is a troll.   So, I just thinking to myself, if why?    If you truly hate the Canucks so much  - why follow them?  If you are a fan of another team, is your life so empty that you get pleasure baiting Canuck fans?   Are there people out there that  insecure?

     

    Genuinely curious.   Just asking myself!

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    2. Toews

      Toews

      This post will be a long one so just bear with me.

       

      @Alflives does have a point that too many individuals on this forum are way to hasty towards throwing around the "troll" label. I am of the opinion that if you think a poster is deliberately trying to incite posters then you should report that poster and let the mods deal with it. Too often though posters take matters into their own hands and that only derails threads and does not contribute to the discussion. 

       

      There is a larger discussion involving positive fans and negative fans that is worth having for people to understand what goes through the heads of different fans and how they deal with success and failure.

       

      I don't know if too many of you are familiar with European football but I will describe the fortunes of a certain football club that I am quite familiar with in Arsenal FC. This club is one of the biggest clubs in the world, and one of the top 4 clubs in English Premier League. The club has been managed since 1997 by one man, Arsene Wenger. He was hugely successful for the first decade managing his club including a legendary undefeated season with a team dubbed "The Invincibles". He is a club legend and will always remain one but IMO as time has passed Wenger has grown slowly but surely out of touch with the game. His past contributions are immense including financing the clubs massive stadium, building up the fan base but he is no longer the manager that he once was. Now that the club is slowly declining in status both in Europe and England and is being passed by lesser clubs many of the fans have grown disenchanted with Wenger. Meanwhile his past accomplishments have earned him a large contingent of loyal supporters who refuse to accept that the man has shortcomings. There is a dichotomy in the fan base between those that want Wenger out and those that want him to stay because they believe that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

       

      This infighting between the fan base has led to each side accusing the other of not being loyal supporters. The WengerOut side accuses the other side of being more loyal to Arsene Wenger than to the club. The WengerIn side accuses the other side of being disloyal to the club by not backing a manager that is responsible for every success that the club has ever earned. These battles were especially ugly last year with banners at stadiums and people paying for planes that would be flown above stadiums displaying each side's message. It has calmed down since Arsene Wenger signed a two year extension but the feelings of resentment ratchet up as soon as the team underperforms. 

       

      The reality is that both sides are just as passionate and just as opinionated about what the course of direction should be for the club. They are all loyal fans but as the club's fortunes have turned for the worse they have lost sight of that.

       

      The reason why I posted that novel is because I see similar elements in the Canucks fanbase. This franchise just had a hugely successful period including a SCF and Presidents trophies as well as multiple elite players in the Sedins, Kesler, Luongo and great supporting players like Burrows, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler to name a few. Now that the downturn has commenced fans have almost become divided on whether the current management are making the right decisions for the long term benefit of the franchise. If you go to HFCanucks you will find that the overwhelming contingent of fans really dislike Benning and to an extent Linden because they feel that they aren't making the right moves. Meanwhile I would say on CDC the overwhelming consensus is that Benning is doing a good job and that patience is required to see this through. There are overlapping elements on both forums but overall I see this representative of the WengerOut and WengerIn movements. If you ask people on CDC they will say that HFCanucks is full of trolls and if you go ask HFCanucks they will say that CDC is filled with homers and Benning apologists. There are of course posters that sit somewhere in the middle but inevitably they will get grouped as one or the other depending on which side you ask. My point is that people aren't trolls just because they don't have any confidence in the GM just like people shouldn't be considered homers or apologists just because they do. The truth often lies somewhere in the middle but often people on both sides take extreme stances and deride anyone who disagrees with them. Unsurprisingly these same arguments occurred when this team started to decline under Gillis.

    3. luckylager

      luckylager

      There's definitely a few who seem angry about everything. Occasionally, I try and engage them to find out if they're genuinely angry, or if maybe they just have a hard time articulating how they feel.

       

      Granted, there are a few legitimate chicken littles, but a couple of posters who come off as a constant nag, just don't write very well.

       

      Not everyone can actually convey their feelings accurately in text, even when reading a novel it usually takes a chapter or two to get the authors "tone".

       

      I'm not saying there aren't trolls on CDC, just that some coming off that way are maybe better suited to driving a truck than attempting to "write down their feelings". 

    4. Shift-4

      Shift-4

      Toews is trolling us all with his novel :P 

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