Rob_Zepp

Agree with you on that too! I don't want JV.

Glass at No 5 100 times out of 100. He is exactly what the Canucks need. At 33 and 55, BPA approach with a slight bias towards speed and ability to score irrespective of size and position (e.g. D, winger....don't care). The entire organization needs more offense-driven players who play up-tempo so that culture is contagious. Glass is someone I have had luxury of seeing play live and he is going to be a beast in both ends of the rink but people will find he develops into a Ryan J type player who is a perfect blend of speed, size and offensive IQ. Does that work for you?

You don't seem to get it. No one is "sensitive", it just gets so freakin' old to see it in almost EVERY thread. Why not keep all the bashing, hope, pumping, dissing etc. to his thread? Why keep at it everywhere else too? What does he have to do with 2017 Draft? ZERO!!!! This has nothing to do with "sensitive", it has everything to do with "for *&**# sake people, get over it". Just ask yourself, why does it have to keep being brought up in non-relevant threads? What is the fixation?

Do some of you wake up thinking "how is another way I can discuss Jake Virtanen in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do about Jake Virtanen? Does every post you see make you say "hey, I can somehow tie this back to my ability to show I knew more in 2014 than all the scouting agencies and Vancouver management combined?". Unless Jake Virtanen shot your dog or slept with your GF, what is this preoccupation? I used to be on the fence on the kid but now seeing all the angst and whining, I hope beyond reason that he blossoms to the degree that surpasses everyone in that draft class picked from 3 onward and allows many of the hateful and non-topic posts to be resurrected into Sticky Post called "How Writing Off Young Players Can Make You Look Stupid" and it surpasses the "Burrows, We Don't Need Him" thread in awesomeness. This little break is brought to you by "have a little patience people". Resume your bashing of Jake in this and every other thread you can think of....it will only make the Sticky Thread that much more awesome.

Thanks for providing said predictable response!

Virtanen was an extremely safe pick - it's safe to say that many have written him off. It's safe to say he is only 20 and has a lot to prove but has time to do it. It is safe to say that if you post in his thread the he is making good progress and still can become a beast at NHL level you will get some predictable responses. That's a lot of safety!

Every player develops differently and I am sure if Detroit or Pittsburgh had 18 year olds who were ready, they wouldn't wait. At the same time, your post points out how insane it can be write off any player when they are under about 22 or 23. The thing both Detroit and the Penguins have done is create organizational depth which has become harder with the cap but still allows teams to stock minor league system with prospects that they don't rush, don't yo-you back and forth and who are given the time to learn the game at a North American pro level both on and off the ice - something not all sub 20-23 year olds are ready for out of junior, Europe, college or wherever.

watched GV on TV with Memorial Cup. watched Glass in person twice. May be biased from in person viewing but from that admittedly biased perspective, Glass >> GV. Just looks more "aware" of all around, had a better "beast mode", was better in the circle and seemed to have the puck follow him around more.

I take it you didn't read the part of my note that was "THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS" when I noted that Dmen, Power Forwards and Goalies TYPICALLY take longer to develop. And I don't see need for IMO as why on earth would I purport to offer up the opinion of someone else unless, of course, I noted that being the case and then would need to offer up the quote. I always assume what people say is their opinion unless otherwise noted. Insert other media No need to apologize, just found it odd you wouldn't have assumed that it was simply an opinion and not management speaking and you did add clarity by tacitly acknowledging you didn't notice the "EXCEPTIONS EXIST" part of the post. Cheers

Sounds good - was just surprised to see it from someone who must live on this site given post total.

Uh, as would I given they are the coaching/management group for this team. I offered what I would do as I thought giving my opinion, which I know, versus their opinion, which I don't, made more sense in a discussion forum. What they think will be what happens - on that we agree. Curious how you got to over 12,000 posts if you don't offer up your opinion on matters and only leave all such to management (?). Just pointing out that other opinions are of no value as management will make the decisions over 12,000 times?

Better to let him grow as either final OHL year or AHL (assuming Canucks hire a strong development coaching/staff) and instead for a 6th or 7th sign a rental UFA as there are lots of serviceable options - even a Y Weber type is in the SCF. Dmen, goalies and power forwards all take more time than other players and though each has their own timetable for development, meaning exceptions happen, the more patience you show these types of players usually leads to higher ceilings and more consistently productive careers.

Not every player is a superstar out of junior...and many regress versus showing progress each year until hitting peak. Just picking a few players at random that this player has elements of at times and who all showed progress each year (though certainly a long way from being considered in anywhere likely to have a career like theirs). In each case, Bo Horvat could easily be argued was on a far weaker team and had fewer offensive zone opportunities. HOF lock Henrik Sedin's first three seasons: 2000-01 20 VAN NHL 82 9 20 29 2001-02 21 VAN NHL 82 16 20 36 2002-03 22 VAN NHL 78 8 31 39 HOF lock Joe Thorton's first three seasons: 1997-98 18 BOS NHL 55 3 4 7 1998-99 19 BOS NHL 81 16 25 41 1999-00 20 BOS NHL 81 23 37 60 HOF lock Pavel Datsyk first three seasons (as a much older player as well) 2001-02 23 DET NHL 70 11 24 35 2002-03 24 DET NHL 64 12 39 51 2003-04 25 DET NHL 75 30 38 68 Bo Horvat 2014-15 19 VAN NHL 68 13 12 25 2015-16 20 VAN NHL 82 16 24 40 2016-17 21 VAN NHL 81 20 32 52 Could he regress? Of course he could. However, hard to imagine the team he is on next year being any worse than the one this year and he should get more ice time so a modest increase of 12-15 points may be quite a reasonable expectation. Hitting 70 points would likely get him into top 15-20 in the league which would be outstanding.

Really? So would you trade Vancouver's 5OA and one bad contract to Dallas for a aging Dman with some injury history and a late second round pick? If that was proposed by Benning, you would ask for him to be fired....but you think someone would part with a higher pick for the same?!

I see proposals where Dallas would send TWO first round picks plus a bad contract to VAN for Tanev, a second round pick and "pieces". Can you imagine Vancouver trading TWO first round picks and ANY contract for a two goal, ten point Dman who is solid but hardly the trade centrepiece type of player when you discuss this nature of trade?

A year later people are now saying he can be traded for a first round pick. Interesting gulf between valuation of this player.

His stats and scouting reports are not quite as good as Virtanen's in their respective draft years if you compare leagues played in so you are correct, he is not as touted. However, he is in a weaker overall draft than Virtanen so could go higher.

Surprised he doesn't get bored of the schtick. He is so transparent - ever post, every thread it is the same thing. He clearly thinks he is being clever I guess.

Are you funding it? Scared?

...he was at concession (that is for the trolls).

I don't think you read what I said. If you constructively provide input including disappointment, no problem. You disagree with someone more apt to give benefit of doubt to a talented 20 year old, no problem. My problem is simple - and I would think you share this given your thoughtful posts - the trollish activity of slamming players that goes on page after page, post after post with every possible manner of attack (minutes putting skates on, ratio of mustard on burger - only two haven't seen so far) and then comparing entirely different players as some form of way of PROVING how bad the kid(s) is. It is far from fan-like behaviour. What you have posted seems reasonable, level-headed and I would find it hard for anyone to find it offensive but each to their own. My issue is with a handful of trolls that I believe have agendas that are less than mature and I have no issue in pointing it out as while the Canucks are really not "my team", they are my favourite Canadian team and an organization that in the old days did right by me.

I agree with you. Saying you are disappointed in any player is more than a logical response from a fan that isn't happy from what they expected of a player. However, to post literally dozens of times about it (which I don't think YOU do) and fabricate issues and/or question the kid's actions for the rest of his life based upon a minute sample size of his potential career is troll-like. Statements like "this player has not met what I expected, but I am supportive of him improving and wish him luck at camp and hope to see signs of encouragement" is what a fan says. Statements that write off a 20 year old and and then go from there with attacks on everything from Playstation-like (e.g. cherry-picked and only thinking PPG or similar is all that matters in a team sport) statistics to food choices to how he likes to play other sports is troll-like and distasteful. I would like to think a true fan would write down what they would feel comfortable being said about themselves if they were a prospect that hadn't quite met everyone's expectations. That allows words like "disappointment" to be used in a constructive manner. Perhaps I live in a world that doesn't exist any longer. Perhaps I am too thin-skinned on criticisms I received. Either way, I don't see how bashing a 20 year old with all that talent is in any way supportive of that player or the team in general - and isn't the whole concept of being a fan to support?!

Absolutely. Sums this up perfectly. If someone is in the AHL to learn how to be a professional, including the south 100 feet of the rink, then stats take a back seat as NO ONE HERE knows what was asked of any given player. The negativity, treating this like Playstation and overall puerile ranting about something that can be simply proven come this September and beyond is way too typical of a handful of CDC posters who seem here only to bash, pump others on other teams and overall troll Canuck fanbase.

His point totals are also reflective of the style of game his coach dictated, the minutes he got and the linemates he had. Put him with better wingers and a more offense first system and those points inflate quickly. While not "real" hockey, he showed at ASG what sort of impact he can have if he doesn't feel he needs to do it all by himself. Points are used far to often to justify good or bad play. There are so many factors involved in point totals - put a fire hydrant as a winger with Gretzky in the day and they get 50 goals.