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  1. He is not going to get you points and Avalanche felt they had to outscore their opponent each/every game. He is not going to generate offence. Zero.
  2. I am sure it was the market price. A non-lottery pick and a third for a guy who should get you 20 plus goals, 50 plus points and play the game in a way that opens up traffic for others is easily market value. Look what Leafs just spent a first on.....
  3. Everyone is of decent......what passport he owns is the key.
  4. You let two elite youngsters, Hughes and OJ, develop and be the dominant players they were at every other level they played in. You bring along Woo who has nice potential. You hope on of Brise or Ute can make the jump. You perhaps get lucky with Tryamkin. You have steady influence of Edler for a few more years. You either have same with Tanev or you move him for alternative. You see Stecher gain confidence from being on the Team Canada squad at World Championships where he looked anything but out of place. The Canuck dcorp is not the wasteland everyone thinks it is - is need a bit of time for the youth they have and just one or two additions (perhaps by subtraction like Hutton for example) and they have a credible situation.
  5. Nemeth is a VERY good skater but doesn't rush much. He is a good defensive version of Alex Edler (hits like Alex) but is not going to get you points. He is a PK specialist as well. Very strong underlying stats. Not sure Colorado will not put up a fight to keep him though as he was relied upon a lot down the stretch and often did step up the line up when called upon. He would be a defensive zone upgrade considerably over Hutton but no where near the offensive upside.
  6. What utter crap. Unless you want the team to purposefully lose and eventually win the lottery and hope there is a brilliant talent or two in the mix that year, there is far from ANY improved chances of "being great" by flipping a later round pick for a former first round pick that has (and likely will continue to) perform above his draft slot in a position of need for the team. This false narrative that has the future somehow assured IF the team somehow keeps losing and drafting versus picking a time to progress is utter and complete nonsense. As this past year in the NHL demonstrated perfectly, now that the CAP era has really taken root the NHL is closer in equality than ever and the margin between success and "not quite" is thinner than ever. The young Canucks showed last year maturity beyond their years to the point they were a few key injuries away from the playoffs. By adding a year of experience to each and getting full service year from Hughes and introducing OJ when ready, they will be a better team. Adding a few key vets and shipping out others to make room will also improve them. Demko is on the verge of emerging more fully. Marky seemingly has arrived. Being pessimistic and/or assuming some mystical future based upon mythical draft picks is your call but it flies totally in the face of logic given what this team has shown and the moves they are making. Vancouver is well-position to make a Carolina like advance in the next two years (this year even) and given their core, could sustain it much better as well.
  7. I doubt anyone is seriously discounting the pick. It IS a big deal to deal any pick and even a non-lottery first can be a really good player (e.g. a Miller) down the road. However, the problem is you cannot just draft forever or you never go anywhere. You need to pick windows where you advance, challenge and (hopefully) eventually break through. The Canuck management, agree with them or not, figures they have a great young core that they need some additional pieces NOW to look at the growth over the next year to three to make a serious "challenge". I agree that it was a risk and it may well not work out. However, odds are actually in Benning's favour given Miller's track record, his contract and the positional/type of play need niche he fills for the team. IF he simply replicates the average of his past two or three years and it helps the Canucks get to the playoffs, then they likely win the trade. If they do that and win a round (or more) and he is key - then they massively win.
  8. I hope you are not being serious. To wish career ending injuries to any player is a pretty crap thing to do no matter how much you don't like them. Wishing them to crap the bed playing wise is one thing and part of heated competition but to lose their ability to work due to injury (which could impact their lives in general dependent upon injury) is, frankly, a pretty crap thing to do. Just sayin'.
  9. I don't give a rat's behind about people who are "tankist" or people that only think the draft is the be all, end all. Show me a team that is built through tanking/drafting alone and I will show you a team that will never win the Cup. EVERY team in the NHL that has success has been built by a combination of efforts to assemble the talent. If you continually just draft and never make trades you will NEVER emerge. NEVER. Yes, of course you get value with picks. However, take the Miller trade - here is a former first round pick that has emerged as a better player than his draft slot and IF you make the playoffs and get him for a non-lottery pick, you have done VERY well if he fits into your group as they project him to. He may not work out - sure. NOT EVERY MOVE HAS TO WORK OUT PERFECTLY. However, you need a mix. Every team needs a mix. The Canucks have had a lot of picks since Benning and team took over inclusive of more picks than original allotment this year. In fact, since Benning came on board the Canucks have been allotted 42 picks (6 years times 7 picks per year). Over that period his management team have had 43 picks. The false narrative that he and his management team have not had sufficient number of picks is not based upon facts. Next, between now and the next two entry drafts (2020 and 2021) a lot of change is coming to the Canucks...no question. There are not too many NHL calibre forwards in the mix and some will be moved - potentially for picks or as likely other assets. Asset accumulation is the key - not just picks. Further, making the playoffs either next year or the season after should be the minimum goal for this team which really started to re-assemble after the Sedins retired but was adding some pieces during that time. I totally disagree with your "over the top of other elite competition". That is another false narrative. Yes, if the Canucks finish dead last the next two seasons and win the lottery each year (or even pick top 5 each year) then I agree, bad trade. IF one of those two years they are non-lottery, this trade tips decidedly in their favour. JT Miller is a GREAT pick up for a non-lottery pick and the 3rd this past year. You don't just from lottery team to NHL Champion with a "snap" of fingers - it needs to be a progression and the Canucks took another progressive, but risky, step but given history of the NHL draft and the nature of the player they received, it is a very sound risk they took. As far as the Leaf fan bit, that wasn't from me....not sure why you said that.
  10. It is laughable how some people here forget that existing players were picks once themselves. An unknown quantity (a pick) is not automatically better than a known commodity - in fact rarely is that the case unless it is truly a lottery pick. The Canucks have taken a risk that they will be a playoff team in one of the next two years but given their trajectory and even their results this past year in spite of near NHL leading injuries are sufficient to see that with another top 6 forward or two and improved D (just having Hughes for a full season and OJ in at some point will lead to improvement) along with a legitimate back-up for Marky is reason to be more bullish than otherwise. The key core of Horvat, Hughes, Boeser, EP40, Virtanen, Stecher, Pearson, Miller, Demko and OJ .... NONE of these players are in the "peaked and will be declining" and represent one of the nicer sets of assembled young players in the entire league. If even two of the other prospects emerge and contribute - the question will not be "playoffs or not" but how far.
  11. You realize that almost all players were draft picks at one point. Miller, for example, was a first round pick in the upper half of the first round. He has even exceeded his draft slot in terms of his career to this point which is just reaching its prime. If you get that for a non-lottery pick, then how on earth is this a bad deal? What makes someone fluffer of any sort is trying to argue that somehow getting a player, particularly a proven impact player, is somehow inferior to a pick...just an odd position. Oh, and if you want to post silly clips....here you go.
  12. It's called competition and it is finally starting to show up that the Canucks have more than sufficient numbers of NHL calibre players. Nice to see and a big part of the progression.
  13. Bet you cannot even find it on Google (though I haven't tried). Real life and you are not close yet to the spot. Keep guessing as that isn't the place. EVERY one who plays there knows the place. Name it. No, I am not a local. I am Canadian by birth but spent most of my adult life in Europe and now am lots of back and forth. Know Sweden (and Swedish) very well so you can skip the English if you like.
  14. I agree....and could be their best draft as a management team if these two players alone reach their potential. Some other intriguing picks (and a lot of them) add to the mix. Hard to remember a time when a team's first two picks are ranked as the potential "steal" of each respective round.
  15. What a great draft weekend for the Canucks.   Probably hit a home run with their first round pick.   Coming back to CDC to see some whining so hard is interesting.   Canucks as a whole got a lot stronger over the weekend and walked away with far more prospects than they started and picked one of the leagues most versatile top six guys in his prime and on a very good contract (who if he plays as he has is far more valuable than a non-lottery first round pick on average).   Added to the club friendly Edler signing, what a great week!

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    2. Alflives

      Alflives

      Boeser was first Joe.  But JB has cleaned up in the other rounds too. There is a big bubble of young guys on their way.  I think that’s why JB traded for Miller.  

    3. JM_

      JM_

      Boeser, Petey, Hughes, Podzolkin - these are they types of players you tank for. So we've done that. Time to try to win some games. 

    4. canuktravella

      canuktravella

      if we sign myers we are laughing  sutter and tanev can be traded for prospects or picks time to cut some  of the fat

  16. If a guy who is versatile and can get 50+ points and is in his prime isn't worth a non-lottery first, not sure who is. The only risk to this trade is if the entirety of the Canuck development crashes and they are not a playoff team with this core. That is certainly a risk but if they are as good as they project to be, this is a very logical move to bolster the team with a legitimate top 6 player who can be part of any team in the NHL in that role.
  17. Timrå itself - Sundsvall is the "big smoke" but in Timrå there is a pub only locals really know about so I am sure you do too so in English, name it and name what food it is famous for.
  18. LOL. Now I remember. Hey, it was a hectic weekend - I was waaaay busier than expected but it was fun. So many "almost" deals it felt like. I expect with the CAP contraction that there will be more fireworks in the next few weeks.
  19. Not all first round picks are created equal and this is certainly a gamble but some perspective is important. Tampa gave up TWO 1st round picks (1 conditional), Namestinikov, and Howden for Miller & McDonagh not even 2 yrs ago? Miller had 40 points in 63 games prior to that trade. He is not a consistent 50+ point producer and an incredibly versatile player. If a Top 6 50+ point versatile NHL forward in his prime is not worth a non-lottery 1st, then not sure who is. The only risk from this move is the Canucks are lottery team again in two years. THAT is the risk. That would mean that entire young core simply isn't good enough - not just the results from one trade. Given Miller's game, his contract (AAV and term) and the role he can play within the top six, there is no question there is risk with this move but I personally like this sort of risk over taking on many other sorts of risk. When you say he gets absolutely ZERO defencemen you seemingly are forgetting about Edler and fact Hughes will have a full-season next year....plus good chance OJ is up and ready by not later than Christmas (if not sooner). Further, there is the FA route and other trades remain possible (they don't stop trading just because the draft is over). I am surprised they didn't grab a Dman in the draft but then again I think they drafted very well again this year and now have some great offensive talent throughout the pipeline in a league that is struggling in general to score goals. I think no matter what moves the Canucks make there will be a need to judge by their results over next couple of years but this is one deal that while risky for sure (and not my preferred approach), I understand and assuming playoffs are made - the return is more than reasonable for the pick slot....Miller himself being a first round pick who has exceeded his draft slot.
  20. Nope, a lot of us predicted them to crash and burn these last two years. There was "consensus" they were a playoff team with people who really know the game as they had one of the shallowest teams in the league. Without McDavid they were a borderline AHL team. If you want to look dumb, knock yourself out.
  21. If you don't want to answer, that is on you but you shouldn't need Google translate if I am using the language the right way....and I am.
  22. 1960 is calling, they want their bigot back.
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