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  1. Selling within your division is risky business as its improving a team you’re directly competing with for the playoffs. This isn’t just a trade - it’s selling a serviceable NHL’er for futures. Making your team weaker short term and theirs stronger. To amplify that, giving an RHD to the Canucks is going to benefit them more than any other position... and benefit them than most teams. So you’re not only making competition better, you’re lowering the return on the picks you’ve picked up more so than a team with decent RHD depth. I dunno - too bad JB couldn’t nab this Miller as well, but the cost would have certainly been higher.
  2. I feel like it’s a little more than that. A key component of the Miller acquisition is the cost certainty regarding his contract. Bo’s contract is well done, also. He’s letting Hutton go to FA due to his contract situation. They’re taking their time with Brock’s deal. Talk about jettisoning Loui. Yeah, there’s a lot of superfluous dead weight on the payroll right now... but the offseason is still young. Im hopeful for a bit of restraint when it comes to the cap. I think Pettersson helps keep the contracts down since he’s a talent people will want to play with. We’ll see.
  3. I get the feeling that since he’s going into this season without an extension that, yeah... if he misses the playoffs by a fair margin he’s likely let go. Further, I think he’s toast by Christmas if the team flops to start the year. It’s different if the team shows promise and battles for a spot down to the last week or two. Especially if the prospects and offseason acquisitions are looking shiny. I think improvement like that and he’s likely safe.
  4. Yeah, the Canucks have been acting a lot more cap-conscious lately. Which makes sense as they look to make a push for the playoffs. They obviously want Myers.. and will overpay him a bit, but probably more to the tune of 6.5 x 6 rather than a true blue 7 x 7 (or the “7-8” canuck Twitter is starting to inflate it to)
  5. If we’re simply talking value for this trade, in a weird way it’s best if we miss the playoffs next year and win a round (at least) in 2021. But really, I’ll take making the playoffs and being bounced in round 1 next year if it stops the hand wringers from talking about losing a lottery pick. As for next years draft, they’re always calling every draft “very strong or deep.” I googled “2017 deep nhl draft” and they were comparing the 2016 or 2017 draft to 2015 and 2003 on HF. Look pretty average to me. Honestly, draft coverage and prospect discussion and mock drafts etc etc are such a racket right now you can’t escape the hype. They’d never just come out and say “this is a pretty meh draft, not much to see here.” They can always barf out a bunch of names.
  6. This is where the whole “we shouldn’t sign Myers” argument gets a life of its own and people will crap on him his whole tenure with the Canucks just to validate their own opinions. Anyways, even if he does sign for too much / too long, part of a GM’s job these days is working through and around those contacts. Nobody is unmovable. I’d still like to see him sign with us. Big, decent shot RHD would look great with Hughes.
  7. No kidding. Honestly, let Hutton go and hope he circles back for a way more reasonable deal than 4 mil if you want to keep him. I’m okay with him coming back but I’d prefer trying to add a bit more sandpaper.
  8. Honestly, a lot of fan perception is based around a few media-spun narratives and team success. Dubas (and the TO guys) run a successful team that he mostly inherited. He’s traded for a bunch of picks which really haven’t moved the needle for their success (and has pissed away his share of assets and cap space in his own right) but the “pick stockpile” fit with media narrative or a “proper rebuild” so he’s the forward thinking GM you can win with. Gillis had a very successful run with a core (which included the best players and goalie this club has ever had) he mostly inherited and benefitted from signing guys who were willing to take discounts for NTCs because they liked the city and the chance to win a cup. He may as well have traded away all his picks because his drafting was atrocious (and Ron Delorme took a lot of the blame - but is still on board and credited with Pettersson. Go figure.) He traded away the one blue chip youngster we had in Hodgson for a complete bust-a-roo in Kassian and left the team with zero prospects, a goalie controversy, a run down d core and a disgruntled Kesler. But the guy hired sleep doctors and a “capologist” so he’s some forward thinking cult hero. The common thread for these two is that if your team is winning games, the media will bend over backwards to spin some stories as to why it happened while not mentioning the obvious - these teams had very good players who gelled under a good coach. JB, on the other hand, has presided over the worst Canucks team in decades and came by it honestly. His biggest “mistake” was apparently trying to keep a competitive culture on the team and not holding a press conference telling fans to hold on, we’re going to have some rough seasons but it will get better. With that branding you’d think back to back Calder kids plus a top 3 pool would have more people excited. Instead, it’s open season on “misses” like Jake over Nylander/Ehlers or trading for a former 3OA pick coming off a great playoffs in Gudbranson that successful GMs make every season. I hope it doesn’t happen but I have a sinking suspicion some other GM is going to waltz in and take this core JB put together, move a few redundant pieces as the depth finally catches up to the NHL level, and he hailed as the mastermind for the team turning it around despite leaning on Pettersson, Brock, Hughes, Juolevi and Podkozlin. (Yes, Horvat too - good for you, Gillis.)
  9. If they were forced to pick between Myers, Gudbranson and Sbisa their heads would explode.
  10. I liked Ben’s personality on the team but he isn’t worth 4 mil. I’d also like to add some veteran snarl (Dillon, Benn) to our 3LD to pair with Stech.
  11. Bang-on, Alf. We have an exciting new core surrounded by some solid veterans and we’ll go as far as they take us. Sky’s the limit with this young crew over the next few seasons. (Assuming we upgrade the right side of the D.)
  12. The work isn’t done yet... still need a top4 RHD, minimum. Still, have to like the upgrades to the roster to start the year. Hughes, Miller, Pearson, Leivo and Demko all mark, for me, significant upgrades over what we began last year with. 3 decent sized gritty forwards who can score, an elite puck moving D and a blue chip backup goalie. Contracts aside, adding a guy like Myers would have us in considerably better shape to start than last year. Roussel and Juolevi plugging in around Christmas time could be a nice boost. We haven’t lost any important pieces. There’s still internal upside with Gaudette, Jake, Goldy, Stecher. We do need to hope for better injury luck. Edler, Tanev, Sutter, Baertschi and Beagle missed a lot of time and can all help. Hopefully a stronger, deeper team that controls the puck more will help with that. In any case, the boys played extremely well last year for TG despite getting worn right down. If we can keep that compete with a little better injury luck (and a veteran RDH in the mix) I can see us competing for the playoffs right up to the wire this year.
  13. True. A lot of people seem to think draft picks are the only thing of value and once used for a player; especially a veteran player, we’ve lost all value. I can kind of see why... our overall crappy past 5 years and injury woes have dampened the value of a lot of our players.. but it IS possible for players to maintain or even raise their value as they play for us. It just hasn’t happened much lately due to circumstance and misfortune.
  14. I’m a homer but I don’t mind dissenting opinions. There’s a line though: if we miss the playoffs the next two years (fair chance to happen) then the kicker would be to win the draft lottery (or be a cellar dweller) in 2021 that’s a whole lot less likely. If the team keeps playing for TG, and JB keeps adding pieces, I don’t see it happening. Being a bubble group and falling short? Sure. Completely falling apart? Nah. I like JB betting on his own horses here. And thus, I can understand some griping about giving up a 1st (always pricey) and targeting a winger (over a d) but arguing as though we just gave up a top 3 pick is assuming the unlikely and a completely silly stance to take from where I’m sitting. If you’re assuming we’re still a bottom dweller in 2 years then something’s gone horribly wrong with Bo, Brock, Petey, Quinn, Olli and Jake... and we’re looking to sell some of them to recoup that first anyways.
  15. Everybody understands the potential consequence, just not everybody is a pessimistic wet blanket afraid of a little risk.
  16. If I have a gripe about this trade, it’s exactly this. I’d have rather spent that prime asset on a 20-something RHD. If Miller becomes a “Burrows” or “Morrison” complementary piece for Brock and Petey though I guess it’s worth it. The complementary player who pushes a pair of stars over the top. Edit: to clarify, “worth it” as in more worth it than a top 4 d. I still think this is a decent trade; I’m just fixated on the back end if the goal is playoffs in 2 years.
  17. It’s been lost under Loui’s albatross contract but JB has done a great job recently in locking up some key pieces for reasonable prices and minimal NTC’s. The work isn't done yet - Boeser needs to get done and we will see if he can shed the Eriksson deal (seems like he’s gone one way or another). Could be a masterful cap performance from this management group if it comes together.
  18. I don't have any proof because I wasn't saying that. I was actually trying to say JB likely kicked the tires because PK's talent is worth any risk to the locker room. It's me who is fine with not landing him and it's just based on my general idea about when to add big personality players. I really don't know much about PK at all beyond his general reputation.
  19. I was actually commenting on our fledgling young core / leadership group not being similar in personality to Subban. Adding him does risk rocking the boat. While I’m confident we’re moving forward, having personalities clash in the locker room is the last thing this club needs right now, especially if we start losing. One of the major bonuses to JB’s tenure here as GM is how solid the room appears to be. I think he pursued Subban anyways and his level of play likely outweighed any locker room risk, but it’s still a valid point that he did come with a bit of concern from that lens. I think “big personality” types are great on winning teams with established leadership groups. They become a risk when things go sour. (Or they jump ship like Kesler.)
  20. I agree that I like the pipeline, sustainable model TB has. The Sedin/Kesler/Luongo prime years were awesome but too brief. TBH that’s kind of why I like management being more aggressive in bolstering the roster now while Petey is young... time will tell if this is the right call vs going slower and letting draft picks roll in over time.
  21. It depends on where you view the team. If you think we’re 3-4 years away you do the Marleau deal, if you’re looking to make the playoffs in 1-2 I don’t mind the Miller deal. Maybe they could have done both? Depends on who we go after in FA.
  22. It’s easy to look good when you have a 100+ point guy develop from a 2nd rounder and a 92 point guy develop from a 3rd rounder. Win a couple top-3 picks for Stamkos, Drouin and Hedman... and benefit from having no tax on contracts to circumvent the cap. Yep they’ve made nice moves but they’ve been damn fortunate too.
  23. Alright. Hey, if you’re right then Benning will be long gone. There’s that bright side to look forward to!
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